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Not quite sure how Nick has fluked his way to the final
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TXF0429
31-05-2012
Originally Posted by SydneyHedgehog:
“Two wins as PM - Several people have this distinction, nothing special”

Tom and Nick. That's it.

Originally Posted by SydneyHedgehog:
“Consistently good ideas - Like?????”

The Scot Pot branding in Week 6, Infusion in Week 3, the strategy in Weeks 1 and 7, the branding in Week 9. So yeah, not much at all.

Originally Posted by SydneyHedgehog:
“Hard worker - Maybe ........ can't seem to remember anything outstanding thats made me think this though.”

Such as doing most of the work in the Week 9 task, as well as the fitness video in Week 6, selling in Weeks 1, 3, 6, 7 etc. So yeah based on a lot.

Originally Posted by SydneyHedgehog:
“Best PM record in the competition - So no other person had 2 wins as a PM? Really????”

Are you for real? He and Tom have two PM wins, but Tom has also lost as PM. Therefore a 2-0 record is better than a 2-1 record. Therefore he has the best PM record!

Originally Posted by SydneyHedgehog:
“Well-respected by his colleagues - You are basing that on????”

Being selected to go over to Phoenix in Week 9, Ricky and Tom saying they see him as their strongest opposition etc.
elpaw
31-05-2012
Don't forget he single-handedly won last week's task, even though he didn't say a word in the spa pitch. This man is a god.
Felix-
31-05-2012
Originally Posted by elpaw:
“Don't forget he single-handedly won last week's task, even though he didn't say a word in the spa pitch. This man is a god.”

Yeah, teehee. I was wondering if that was massive arrogance on his part or if he did something pivotal that was edited out to make Jade look like she at least vaguely deserved to be there.

Or maybe he meant he charmed the ladies with his rather nice face.
allafix
31-05-2012
I thought that the suspicion Nick wasn't what he seemed was deliberately created tonight by Lord Sugar's comments so it wasn't so obvious that Adam would be fired. Nick deserves to be in the final. He is a talented entrepreneur. Also, Nick and Jade together without Adam might have won the task. His only fault was not to fight harder over what he saw going wrong.

Nick is the best PM of the lot. He knows exactly how to manage people with big egos without raising his voice and making demands.
tabithakitten
31-05-2012
Originally Posted by allafix:
“I thought that the suspicion Nick wasn't what he seemed was deliberately created tonight by Lord Sugar's comments so it wasn't so obvious that Adam would be fired. Nick deserves to be in the final. He is a talented entrepreneur. Also, Nick and Jade together without Adam might have won the task. His only fault was not to fight harder over what he saw going wrong.

Nick is the best PM of the lot. He knows exactly how to manage people with big egos without raising his voice and making demands.”

That's quite possible. We saw a very good example this week of how having more people on your team can actually be a disadvantage. Particularly when one of them is Adam. And he's in charge (or not). Jade/Nick v Tom/Ricky would have been an interesting matchup. At least it would before this week's boardroom .
LIZALYNN
31-05-2012
Adam's analogy on The Apprentice You're Fired was spot on.
He described himself as a yacht weaving himself to the final whilst Nick was a submarine, who just appeared at the final somehow.
I liked both of these candidates but I think LS would have been better off with Adam the go getter and the confident salesman warts and all.
Nick is quiet and although extremely bright he is basically a teckie and number cruncher. Lovely man but far too polite for this game.
But I did think that the wrong team won. The male products looked very dull.
killjoy
31-05-2012
Their products may have looked boring but I felt that in the real world they would have quickly repackaged them after hearing the feedback and then being successful.
Felix-
31-05-2012
Originally Posted by allafix:
“I thought that the suspicion Nick wasn't what he seemed was deliberately created tonight by Lord Sugar's comments so it wasn't so obvious that Adam would be fired. Nick deserves to be in the final. He is a talented entrepreneur. Also, Nick and Jade together without Adam might have won the task. His only fault was not to fight harder over what he saw going wrong.

Nick is the best PM of the lot. He knows exactly how to manage people with big egos without raising his voice and making demands.”

I suspect that this is true, or likewise that if Adam had been with Tom and Ricky, their flawless pitch would have fallen down.

I also think that all of this Nick uncertainty has just been caused to blur the clarity on who is now the frontrunner.
meglosmurmurs
31-05-2012
Well Tom and Ricky did say they didn't want him to come back because he's the biggest competition. lol
BillyBatty
31-05-2012
I agree. He has only put himself up for PM twice and every other time just stays in the background. He should have been PM for this latest task as he has more relevant experience than Adam but probably didn't want to risk losing. He is another Tom Pellereau.
Monkseal
31-05-2012
He couldn't have been PM this task - Adam was specifically chosen by Lordalan.
djfunnyman
31-05-2012
Its between him and Tom , Ricky has too poor a record
Gothic-Dude
31-05-2012
Originally Posted by djfunnyman:
“Its between him and Tom , Ricky has too poor a record”

Yeah and that stopped Tom winning last year
allafix
31-05-2012
Originally Posted by BillyBatty:
“I agree. He has only put himself up for PM twice and every other time just stays in the background. He should have been PM for this latest task as he has more relevant experience than Adam but probably didn't want to risk losing. He is another Tom Pellereau.”

Adam was made PM by Lord Sugar to check his leadership ability. Nick has already proven is skill at leading a team.
elpaw
31-05-2012
Originally Posted by djfunnyman:
“Its between him and Tom , Ricky has too poor a record”

Sorry but record doesn't matter, it's all about the business plan.
LadyMinerva
01-06-2012
surely it's down to the fact that he's probably just got a really good business plan - if Alan Sugar has already had sight of the plans (which I thought I read on here he had) then the tasks are just for viewers only and to spin the programme out, but Sugar has already pretty much decided...
allafix
01-06-2012
Originally Posted by LadyMinerva:
“surely it's down to the fact that he's probably just got a really good business plan - if Alan Sugar has already had sight of the plans (which I thought I read on here he had) then the tasks are just for viewers only and to spin the programme out, but Sugar has already pretty much decided...”

It's down to the business plans of the final four. As well as entertain, the tasks are designed to eliminate the weakest candidate each week, based either on their performance in the task or their progress so far. But they could have had equally good business plans as the finalists. We won't ever know, but it's certainly not a given that they were fired because Sugar didn't like there plans.
apprentices
01-06-2012
Originally Posted by allafix:
“I thought that the suspicion Nick wasn't what he seemed was deliberately created tonight by Lord Sugar's comments so it wasn't so obvious that Adam would be fired.”

Thankfully someone has a brain and knows how television works.

Nick is competent, level-headed and so far beyond the other candidates in terms of maturity it isn't funny. Plus an excellent winning record as PM, and as a team member, means he will very likely win this.

The tenuous link in bringing up Nicks coffee shop - LOL!! How does anyone fall for this?
Nemokins
02-06-2012
I think he'll walk the final...

He's Lord Sugars ideal candidate - someone who has experience in the computing business who actually has strong business acumen. It is anyone's game now; the business plans decide it all but I definitely champion Nick to have the best of the four.
Takae
02-06-2012
Originally Posted by apprentices:
“Nick is competent, level-headed and so far beyond the other candidates in terms of maturity it isn't funny. Plus an excellent winning record as PM, and as a team member, means he will very likely win this.”

I doubt it. He has many qualities one would want in a businessman, but he hasn't what Ricky and Jade has - an ability to convince people that what he has is worth buying. He doesn't have the charisma.

In fairness, we rarely saw him selling ideas or whatnot to anyone and the end results of those times. The focus was always on his partner whoever they may be. I do think he would make a great right-hand person for someone, though. He's detail-oriented enough to be one. Perhaps this is what Sugar is looking for.
apprentices
02-06-2012
Originally Posted by Takae:
“I doubt it. He has many qualities one would want in a businessman, but he hasn't what Ricky and Jade has - an ability to convince people that what he has is worth buying. He doesn't have the charisma. ”

Nick has so much more charisma than Ricky and (especially) Jade it isn't funny. Ricky is a little too corporate speak at times and Jade can be a bulldozer when trying to make a point. Nick however speaks calmly and fluently, and with warmth.

You're not confusing him with Tom are you? That's someone who lacks the 'human touch' and is unconvincing. From what I've seen on the show Nick is aware enough to connect with most people.
Miriam_R
02-06-2012
I didn't find him that impressive in the last task and I suppose this looked like his least best performance but, I still think he's a solid person and is def a better candidate than Ricky imo. Tom seems more creative thinking than him but I would still prob rely on Nick overall to just keep things ticking and I think, as someone else elluded to, that his mistakes haven't been as bad as others mistakes, overall.

He's slightly boring personality wise but I'm sure there are plenty of people in business that are happy to work or make deals with a straight talker that that just aims to lay down the facts, negotiate and then shake on the deal. He's not been as prominent as some of the others but, then again, some of those other prominent candidates have been noticeable for the wrong reasons imo.
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