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Adam stitched up?
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The Rhydler
30-05-2012
I think the way sugar made him be a PM was basically because he had decided to fire him come what may. The winner was decided by him and not by figures and he wanted Tom and Ricky in the final

Pretty blatant

But Adam was great on you're fired.
Shrike
31-05-2012
Or could it simply be that both Jade and Nick had PM'd twice but Adam only the once?
guestofseth
31-05-2012
Adam didn't need stitching up, he was terrible in this task, messing up the pitch and having no real plan. He deserved to be fired a long time ago, so he was lucky to make it this far.
Monkseal
31-05-2012
If he'd decided he was going to fire Adam whatever happened then it wouldn't really matter if he was PM or not would it?
penelopesimpson
31-05-2012
The only person who stitched Adam up was Adam. Up until YBF I thought he was a pleasant enough salesman, just out of his death, with worryingly chauvinistic tendencies. YBF exposed him as self-satisfied, arrogant and generally unpleasant without a scrap of self-knowlege.
-Sid-
31-05-2012
Adam has been a series ruiner for me. I've found him utterly loathsome (but not in an entertaining way). He has an over-inflated opinion of his abilities and his attitudes towards women suck.

He's hung around like a bad smell for weeks. If he was stitched up, I wish it had happened sooner.
penelopesimpson
31-05-2012
Originally Posted by -Sid-:
“Adam has been a series ruiner for me. I've found him utterly loathsome (but not in an entertaining way). He has an over-inflated opinion of his abilities and his attitudes towards women suck.

He's hung around like a bad smell for weeks. If he was stitched up, I wish it had happened sooner.”

So agree, but there was a sneaky part of me that rather hoped he'd get through to the interview stage so that I'd have the pleasure of seeing that overweening ego deflated
rhumble
31-05-2012
For me he was out of his depth in everyway,,,,,,he seemed to struggle to understand any of the briefs Sugar gave.
Even at the end when Sugar told him he was fired,,,i thought he doesnt understand and he's gonna go back to the house with the rest of them
slouchingthatch
31-05-2012
Adam was always a bit out of his depth. While he improved, I never really liked him, and here it was clear he just wanted Jade to be nowhere near him - and yet was willing to pull on her for ideas.

I thought it was somewhat telling that the tasks where he has been better in recent weeks have generally all involved an element of face-to-face selling - his day job - but on this task which was less about sales and more about other business skills he failed miserably.

Anyway, I'm still backing Tom to win, although I certainly wouldn't count out Nick despite a poor week this week.

More thoughts over on my weekly blog post:
http://slouchingtowardsthatcham.com/...rdable-luxury/
penelopesimpson
31-05-2012
Originally Posted by slouchingthatch:
“Adam was always a bit out of his depth. While he improved, I never really liked him, and here it was clear he just wanted Jade to be nowhere near him - and yet was willing to pull on her for ideas.

I thought it was somewhat telling that the tasks where he has been better in recent weeks have generally all involved an element of face-to-face selling - his day job - but on this task which was less about sales and more about other business skills he failed miserably.

Anyway, I'm still backing Tom to win, although I certainly wouldn't count out Nick despite a poor week this week.

More thoughts over on my weekly blog post:
http://slouchingtowardsthatcham.com/...rdable-luxury/”

Great blog, slouchinghatch. Enjoyed it. Yes, I too caught Jade's look. Watch out Nick. But why did Nick support Adam when he didn't deserve it and it was commercially daft when it was obvious Lord S was going to keep Jade?
slouchingthatch
31-05-2012
Originally Posted by penelopesimpson:
“Great blog, slouchinghatch. Enjoyed it. Yes, I too caught Jade's look. Watch out Nick. But why did Nick support Adam when he didn't deserve it and it was commercially daft when it was obvious Lord S was going to keep Jade?”

Thanks. I try.

It seemed an odd choice. Maybe Sugar's final decision wasn't as clear cut in the boardroom as it came across in the broadcast edit and he was playing tactics. Or maybe he genuinely thought Jade wasn't that good a candidate. (I've never really rather her myself, although she was the only good thing about Phoenix here.)

It's just a shame that Jade will not have the opportunity to exact her revenge on Nick. Unless she trips him up as he heads to an interview ...
Treble
31-05-2012
In anycase Adam didn't need the opportunity as much as the others... As much as they like to class him as little more than a market trader, the guy runs a wholesale and retail business and has a considerable property portfolio...
The Rhydler
31-05-2012
Originally Posted by Monkseal:
“If he'd decided he was going to fire Adam whatever happened then it wouldn't really matter if he was PM or not would it?”

A losing PM's head is always on Thr chopping block especially at this late stage
marks thespot
31-05-2012
I think it was his time to go, but he was stitched up & made PM for "entertainment" purposes. A task about luxury ranges; shall we have posh Nick, or slightly gauche, northern Market trader? No way would he have been PM had the team been left to decide. And Nick could have helped him & the team more but I feel he stood back & let Adam drown, in the safe knowledge that he would be the one to go. Sugar knew that & I think that is why he gave Nick a bit of a hard time in the board room.
Shame for Adam, but I think he would have gone this week unless maybe it had been a straight selling task.
Felix-
31-05-2012
Maybe Lord Shugs remembered that Tom + Adam = a disaster, and wanted to see if it was Adam + anyone that was a bad combination, or if Tom really has been crap of his own accord in recent weeks.
Socha
31-05-2012
Originally Posted by slouchingthatch:
“Adam was always a bit out of his depth. While he improved, I never really liked him, and here it was clear he just wanted Jade to be nowhere near him - and yet was willing to pull on her for ideas.

I thought it was somewhat telling that the tasks where he has been better in recent weeks have generally all involved an element of face-to-face selling - his day job - but on this task which was less about sales and more about other business skills he failed miserably.

Anyway, I'm still backing Tom to win, although I certainly wouldn't count out Nick despite a poor week this week.

More thoughts over on my weekly blog post:
http://slouchingtowardsthatcham.com/...rdable-luxury/”

Nail on the head there.... off to read your blog now, already looking forward to it!
slouchingthatch
31-05-2012
Originally Posted by marks thespot:
“I think it was his time to go, but he was stitched up & made PM for "entertainment" purposes.”

I think there's an element of truth in that as well, but also wasn't he the only one of the final five not to have PM'd twice already? It would make perfect sense for Sugar to single him out as a result - as well as setting up the obvious entertainment angles.
slouchingthatch
31-05-2012
Originally Posted by Socha:
“Nail on the head there.... off to read your blog now, already looking forward to it! ”

Thanks.

I thought it was telling that they left in that soundbite at the beginning of Adam joking about Jade and making it perfectly clear there's no love lost between them. Okay, that's nothing new and we know the feeling is mutual, but it was clearly left in to lead us to the conclusion that this was the reason he sent her off on her own. In a professional environment, we all have to work with people we dislike sometimes. Suck it up, get on with it - don't act like a 5-year old about it.

Having said that, to be fair I thought Adam handled himself very well in the way he left the process and did so with good grace - although we could have done without his "I'm the best candidate" spiel. Muhammad Ali he ain't.
Stone_Jones
31-05-2012
Quote:
“I think the way sugar made him be a PM was basically because he had decided to fire him come what may. The winner was decided by him and not by figures and he wanted Tom and Ricky in the final”

I agree with The Rhydler. There was hardly anything good about Tom and Ricky's product. The store was critizised for looking empty, the design of the bottles was described as 'bland' and not standing out, one of the experts dismissed the cream's quality. The only positive thing was the research. And yet they won and Adam's team got most of the criticism. Who would have invested money in Tom and Ricky's product? No-one!

I also disliked the way Sugar criticized the chocolate products for their price. He said the pricing was too high to be put in a supermarket but too low for a specialist chocolate store. How you supposed to get the pricing right with that sort of remark? It's impossible. Too high and too low!

I think Sugar wanted Tom and Ricky in the final, he was less fussed about Adam making it so Adam's team lost and, to quote Sugar, "one of you will get fired!" and Adam got the short straw, or Sugar had decided earlier on Adam was to leave, so off he went.
Inkblot
31-05-2012
Originally Posted by Stone_Jones:
“I also disliked the way Sugar criticized the chocolate products for their price. He said the pricing was too high to be put in a supermarket but too low for a specialist chocolate store. How you supposed to get the pricing right with that sort of remark? It's impossible. Too high and too low! ”

The guy on You're Fired who runs an upmarket chocolate company tried to explain how thew pricing should work. IIRC you should have a few less pricey products to draw customers in, then the majority of your products should be in the mid-range, and a few at the top end for big spenders. So Sugar was basically on the right lines: you can't make money selling luxury chocolate at supermarket prices, but you have to have some cheaper items so you can upsell to the products that do make money.
blowup
31-05-2012
Originally Posted by rhumble:
“For me he was out of his depth in everyway,,,,,,he seemed to struggle to understand any of the briefs Sugar gave.
Even at the end when Sugar told him he was fired,,,i thought he doesnt understand and he's gonna go back to the house with the rest of them”

ha!
elpaw
31-05-2012
Originally Posted by penelopesimpson:
“ But why did Nick support Adam when he didn't deserve it and it was commercially daft when it was obvious Lord S was going to keep Jade?”

I took it to be more tactical, that he would rather be up against Adam in the Final, than Jade.
DICKENS99
31-05-2012
Originally Posted by Stone_Jones:
“I agree with The Rhydler. There was hardly anything good about Tom and Ricky's product. The store was critizised for looking empty, the design of the bottles was described as 'bland' and not standing out, one of the experts dismissed the cream's quality. The only positive thing was the research. And yet they won and Adam's team got most of the criticism. Who would have invested money in Tom and Ricky's product? No-one!”

...and the proposed business strategy and the pricing and generally all the required business smarts which to me makes it a good decision as it rewards the qualities which would be wanted in a business parter in the real world outside of the Blue Peter task activity of creating a luxury range from scratch in five minutes flat.

The other team got their product right (or maybe just 'more right') but is that what Sugar wants, someone who can come up with a good product idea in double quick time but then p*ss it all down the drain in the execution.
BillyBatty
31-05-2012
He was totally stitched up. Nick should have been PM and he will probably go on to win it now.
Cranberryapple
31-05-2012
" I won't be going tomorrow. There's no way on this Planet will I be going "..Oops.....
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