[mushymanrob]

Starts tonight on bbc4... its a 'must watch' for us oldies remembering our youth, and for younger music fans to hear first hand accounts of how it really was.

Ive been embroiled a few times on here with younger fans whos version of how punk was differs from mine...lol.. this will give all the info and why punk had such a huge impact on music... the legacy of which can still be seen today.

[Mr Perks]

I was impressed by Siouxsie & the Banshees's first TV performance on the old OGWT shown the other night. Talk about arriving fuily formed.
Sadly, the programme reminded me of the bad old days of the OGWT - Anne Nightingale presenting and an interlude with Whispering Bob in the uS interviewing some boring US band.

[ohglobbits]

If it's anything as good as Synth Britannia it should be a must-see. Thanks for the reminder.

[TOSSerr]

Yes I can't wait for this. There's a TOTP on afterwards with a load of punk/New Wave stuff on and after that a programme about The Adverts !!!!!!!! Amazing.

[shackfan]

Originally Posted by TOSSerr

Yes I can't wait for this. There's a TOTP on afterwards with a load of punk/New Wave stuff on and after that a programme about The Adverts !!!!!!!! Amazing.

Looking through Gary Gilmores eyes was one of the best early punk records. Reminds me of a fewparties around the time.

[borodave]

Im hoping it deals with the punk of the early 80's rather than the fluffy 77 stuff..

[alcockell]

Punk in '77 had a hard edge that didn't make it onto TOTP (as TOTP was a Light Entertainment show, it would have New Wave as the hardest it went. Jam, Stranglers etc would often be on OGWT though.

[Eraserhead]

There's a thread on this started up in the TV forum.

I'm looking forward to it. There have been quite a few rather heated discussions on this site about where British punk came from and its importance and impact and hopefully these documentaries will put everything into perspective.

[johnnybgoode83]

What time is it on? If it's before 10, I'll have to catch it on the iplayer as I am working

[andwedontcare]

A must watch, this era kickstarted a whole new way of thinking, it was always an attitude not a fashion

[JoLuc]

Originally Posted by Mr Perks

I was impressed by Siouxsie & the Banshees's first TV performance on the old OGWT shown the other night. Talk about arriving fuily formed.
Sadly, the programme reminded me of the bad old days of the OGWT - Anne Nightingale presenting and an interlude with Whispering Bob in the uS interviewing some boring US band.

Agreed. Siouxsie was truly the Grand Dame of punk.
Jigsaw Feeling!
Although I am also a fan of some of those boring US bands.
Todd Rundgren anyone?

[maninthequeue]

I'll be watching it on the iPlayer over the weekend.

In addition the brilliant BBC 6 Music have a series of programmes on Punk Britannia in June including playlists by John Lydon, Siouxsie Sioux, Patti Smith & Captain Sensible.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/bbcmusic/..._four_and.html

[mimicole]

What time does it start?

[bazzaroo]

Originally Posted by mimicole

What time does it start?

9pm, will be watching AND recording, love it!

[alcockell]

On now.

[uberman]

Great Stuff!

[homer2012]

Originally Posted by mushymanrob

Starts tonight on bbc4... its a 'must watch' for us oldies remembering our youth, and for younger music fans to hear first hand accounts of how it really was.

Ive been embroiled a few times on here with younger fans whos version of how punk was differs from mine...lol.. this will give all the info and why punk had such a huge impact on music... the legacy of which can still be seen today.

How old are you??? You were a teenager for the beatles first stuff and still young for 1977.

Punk needs a comback

[mgvsmith]

The first part has Dr Feelgood, really the first British punk band, The Sex Pistols, the first band called a punk band and probably the best punk band and The Clash and The Damned.
They all sound just as good now.

It is just not impossible to overstate how important this period and these bands were in the canon of pop music. They did change everything. Could that ever happen again?

[maninthequeue]

Originally Posted by mgvsmith

It is just not impossible to overstate how important this period and these bands were in the canon of pop music. They did change everything. Could that ever happen again?

Sadly I can't see it happening in the near future.

Unfortunately the punk, new wave & new romantic generation grew up and had children who rebelled against their parents in true Ab Fab Saffron fashion by doing the one thing to offend and appal their parents by conforming via buying insipid $h!te by Westlife, and hanging on the vision of Simon Cowell in the most depressing fashion; and those not interested in music have the internet, and PC consoles to keep them entertained.

The next Rock n Roll revolution (should it ever occur) in the UK will be by the underclass, with a new hybrid form of music made mainly by non Caucasian immigrants.

PS> The first episode of Punk Britannia was the dogs bollocks as expected.

[Brockyman]

Originally Posted by homer2012

Punk needs a comback

LOL. Where have you been? Punk never went away. Many Punk bands have never stopped playing. The Damned, 999, UK Subs, Buzzcocks, GBH, Discharge and many many more have been going for over 30 years (in some form or another). Watch the next programme about TV Smith, he has never given up on the Punk ethos and still has as much to say as he did 30 years ago. (Gary Gilmores eyes is probably his lightest song).

Look at the lineup for this years Rebellion festival to see who's still around. It's like an A to Z of punk royalty.

[marcusgv]

Originally Posted by Brockyman

LOL. Where have you been? Punk never went away. Many Punk bands have never stopped playing. The Damned, 999, UK Subs, Buzzcocks, GBH, Discharge and many many more have been going for over 30 years (in some form or another). Watch the next programme about TV Smith, he has never given up on the Punk ethos and still has as much to say as he did 30 years ago. (Gary Gilmores eyes is probably his lightest song).

Look at the lineup for this years Rebellion festival to see who's still around. It's like an A to Z of punk royalty.

The important time was in 1976 - 80. Punk wasn't meant to last, it was meant to bring change which it did in great measure. Lydon went on to PiL, Siouxsie and The Clash went on to do some great innovative music, others didn't. The other musics that emerged like thrash metal, grunge, rap and house took over the mantle from punk and broke new ground.

[Brockyman]

Originally Posted by marcusgv

The important time was in 1976 - 80. Punk wasn't meant to last, it was meant to bring change which it did in great measure. Lydon went on to PiL, Siouxsie and The Clash went on to do some great innovative music, others didn't. The other musics that emerged like thrash metal, grunge, rap and house took over the mantle from punk and broke new ground.

'tis true. But once a Punk, always a Punk and we have mostly grown into intolerant old gits. If Rap and House are the results of breaking new ground I'd prefer my ground unbroken thank you very much.

[mushymanrob]

Originally Posted by JoLuc

Agreed. Siouxsie was truly the Grand Dame of punk.
)

...And the godmother of 'goth'.

Originally Posted by homer2012

How old are you??? You were a teenager for the beatles first stuff and still young for 1977.

Punk needs a comback

No...i wasnt a teenager for the Beatles, im 55, was a child in the 60's but loved the music...HATED early 70's music and fashions (glam, prog, philly) so in my early teens i went retro for my much loved 60's music. I was 20 in 77 and punk blew away all the old boring farty pretecious crap that had preceeded it in the few years before.

more importantly for me it re-introduced the 60's sounds that i liked... the jam being the prime example, BUT i hate paul weller being refered to as 'the mod father'... he was second generation mod, reckon stevie marriot, roger daltrey, or ray davies (or their groups) should have that title.

Originally Posted by mgvsmith

It is just not impossible to overstate how important this period and these bands were in the canon of pop music. They did change everything. Could that ever happen again?

Absolutely agree, and this is something younger fans ought to understand. IMHO punk finished off what the 60's started.

I doubt such a revolution could happen again, because its been done. Punk attitudes saw the embracing of equality, racial, sexual and sex, not sure how such fundemental changes could occur again. Plus todays youth seem lazy, metrosexual, softies with little imagination. i blame the education system.

Will be watching this later today... looking forewards.

[N3dSt4rk]

Really enjoyed it. I was thinking 'you gotta mention Dr Feelgood' and yes they did.

[mgvsmith]

Originally Posted by N3dSt4rk

Really enjoyed it. I was thinking 'you gotta mention Dr Feelgood' and yes they did.

It has taken too long but the Feelgoods are finally getting the credit they deserve! Great programme!