[Jamesthethird]

How disgraceful!! Jean is taking advantage of Roxy's trusting nature lying through her teeth and even going so far as to shout at Roxy and make her feel bad for rightly suspecting that Jean had lost the Vic's money.

Jean truly is an awful, awful woman, she does not deserve any fans. Pure evil.

[Rocket562]

I agree. I really hope Jean is jailed at the end of this plot.

[lordOfTime]

lol hmmm

I'm sure most if not all people realise that Jean is the victim in all of this. She's been conned into giving money that's not hers for a cause she believes in but doesn't actually exist. She was harsh with Roxy because she was scared and is only now starting to realise that she's been had big time.

Michael is the evil one here.

[Rocket562]

Originally Posted by lordOfTime

lol hmmm

I'm sure most if not all people realise that Jean is the victim in all of this. She's been conned into giving money that's not hers for a cause she believes in but doesn't actually exist. She was harsh with Roxy because she was scared and is only now starting to realise that she's been had big time.

Michael is the evil one here.

But Jean is really annoying. Plus the way she still sees Stacey as a saint when she was a cold blooded murderer is ridiculous.

[priscilla]

Originally Posted by lordOfTime

lol hmmm

I'm sure most if not all people realise that Jean is the victim in all of this. She's been conned into giving money that's not hers for a cause she believes in but doesn't actually exist. She was harsh with Roxy because she was scared and is only now starting to realise that she's been had big time.

Michael is the evil one here.

michael not evil his just misunderstood (his had a troubled childhood and i think his taking the money to keep janine happy) but im biased because im a MM/SJS fan

jean shouldnt have given in to him in the first place, it wasnt her to give.

[trevor tiger]

Jean was conned into giving money that wasn't hers. That would be stealing then? She needs to be punished for stealing. Disgraceful behaviour.

[lordOfTime]

Originally Posted by Rocket562

But Jean is really annoying. Plus the way she still sees Stacey as a saint when she was a cold blooded murderer is ridiculous.

Remember Jean fell just short of disowning Stacey when she found out about what she'd done. But in the end Stacey and Shaun mean the world to her no matter what. And as for the Michael scam, well... she is quite simply a vulnerable person who is being preyed upon.

[lordOfTime]

Originally Posted by priscilla

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michael not evil his just misunderstood (his had a troubled childhood and i think his taking the money to keep janine happy) but im biased because im a MM/SJS fan

jean shouldnt have given in to him in the first place, it wasnt her to give.

Michael has no love for Janine. I'm sure of it. i think it's all about money for him.

Jean shouldn't have given the money granted but she thought what she was doing was good for a greater purpose and she'd see the money back. She made a big mistake but was pushed into it through a sob story.

[trevor tiger]

Originally Posted by lordOfTime

Remember Jean fell just short of disowning Stacey when she found out about what she'd done. But in the end Stacey and Shaun mean the world to her no matter what. And as for the Michael scam, well... she is quite simply a vulnerable person who is being preyed upon.

Jean is 'vulnerable' when it suits. She wasn't vulnerable when she was having a go at Janine the other day and she wasn't vulnerable when she gave Roxy what for.

Michael has manipulated her vanity imo. I believe she fancies him and that's why she's gone to the length of stealing money in order to give him what she thinks he wants. It's coming back on her now and serves her right.

[samwalk]

Of course Jean is shouting. She is a deeply insecure woman who did something extremely stupid believing she was helping. She realises she has done something dodgy and is panicing. Given her history her world is about to collapse.

[summer_ste]

Originally Posted by lordOfTime

lol hmmm

I'm sure most if not all people realise that Jean is the victim in all of this. She's been conned into giving money that's not hers for a cause she believes in but doesn't actually exist. She was harsh with Roxy because she was scared and is only now starting to realise that she's been had big time.

Michael is the evil one here.

Of course people realise this. The original post(s) were pointing out that while this storyline is being written and portrayed as if we're supposed to think "oh poor Jean being manipulated by Michael", in fact if you take a step back and look at it objectively, Jean is far from innocent in all this. She may be a bit dim witted at times but she knows right from wrong.

[vald]

Originally Posted by trevor tiger

Jean was conned into giving money that wasn't hers. That would be stealing then? She needs to be punished for stealing. Disgraceful behaviour.

As Alfie got the money by stealing a lorry load of Vodka in the first place maybe he should go to prison too.
And while we're at it shall we send Ben, Phil, Derek, Jay, Ian and Billy to prison as well.....all criminals.

[lordOfTime]

Originally Posted by trevor tiger

Jean is 'vulnerable' when it suits. She wasn't vulnerable when she was having a go at Janine the other day and she wasn't vulnerable when she gave Roxy what for.

Michael has manipulated her vanity imo. I believe she fancies him and that's why she's gone to the length of stealing money in order to give him what she thinks he wants. It's coming back on her now and serves her right.

Oh yes she was. On both occasions she was under Michaels "spell". And on the second she knew Roxy was in the right but she was clearly too scared to own up but trusted Michael would give the money back.

I know i'm probably speaking from a neutal point of view, a) it's not my money and b) it's a story but she has my pity. It's not right whatever we think of her, what Michael is doing to her.

[lordOfTime]

Originally Posted by summer_ste

Of course people realise this. The original post(s) were pointing out that while this storyline is being written and portrayed as if we're supposed to think "oh poor Jean being manipulated by Michael", in fact if you take a step back and look at it objectively, Jean is far from innocent in all this. She may be a bit dim witted at times but she knows right from wrong.

I'm not denying she's made a huge mistake but Michael deliberate picked her and used her because he knew she would believe him and make that mistake.

[summer_ste]

Originally Posted by lordOfTime

I'm not denying she's made a huge mistake but Michael deliberate picked her and used her because he knew she would believe him and make that mistake.

And I'm not denying that, but it doesn't stop Jean being in the wrong.

I'd like to point out that like you, my sympathies lie with Jean in this storyline. She has been taken advantage of and manipulated and she also has my pity. But she also knows right from wrong.

The villain in this storyline is Michael, and Jean is the victim. But not an innocent victim.

[lordOfTime]

Originally Posted by summer_ste

And I'm not denying that, but it doesn't stop Jean being in the wrong.

I'd like to point out that like you, my sympathies lie with Jean in this storyline. She has been taken advantage of and manipulated and she also has my pity. But she also knows right from wrong.

The villain in this storyline is Michael, and Jean is the victim. But not an innocent victim.

Very much agreed on that too. But I wouldn't go so far as to say she's horrible as the OP says. She is very much far from a horrible person.

[summer_ste]

Originally Posted by lordOfTime

Very much agreed on that too. But I wouldn't go so far as to say she's horrible as the OP says. She is very much far from a horrible person.

Yeah I agree. Hopefully the OP was just playing devil's advocate. I don't see how anyone can really think Jean is a horrible person from this storyline!!

[vald]

Originally Posted by lordOfTime

Very much agreed on that too. But I wouldn't go so far as to say she's horrible as the OP says. She is very much far from a horrible person.

Agree with you. She's done wrong but not for selfish reasons, she genuinely wanted to help Kat and Alfie.

[trevor tiger]

Originally Posted by lordOfTime

Oh yes she was. On both occasions she was under Michaels "spell". And on the second she knew Roxy was in the right but she was clearly too scared to own up but trusted Michael would give the money back.

I know i'm probably speaking from a neutal point of view, a) it's not my money and b) it's a story but she has my pity. It's not right whatever we think of her, what Michael is doing to her.

She was cool and calculating when she had a go at Janine but when she's around Michael she's all soft and gooey.
She's allowed the situation to develop because she likes Michael. She is getting something out of this. She's sharing a secret with Michael and getting one over on Janine by doing this. She's used information she gathered chatting to Michael against Janine, acting like she knows him better.

This is about Jean wanting a relationship with a man imo. She's never done that well with men but she always tries way too hard and that's what is happening here. She'll steal and lie and give Janine and Roxy what for in order to carry this situation on and cover up what she's done.

I'm not neutral in this as I actually find Jean very manipulative but she seems to get away with it because she acts kooky. She's actually not a very nice person.

[Stupid_Head]

I agree with the majority, Jean is doing to others what Michael is doing to her, she has lost any sympathy I had for her.

[catsmeow]

I feel very sorry for Jean. She is panicking because she is caught in a web spun by Michael. I sincerely hope he gets comeuppance for this.

[priscilla]

Originally Posted by catsmeow

I feel very sorry for Jean. She is panicking because she is caught in a web spun by Michael. I sincerely hope he gets comeuppance for this.

I do feel sorry for jean.but she shouldnt have taken the money that wasnt hers to.give
and i dont want anything to happen.to michael he has done wrong but his had a troubled childhood and cause i.think his hot (just my.opinion)

[catsmeow]

Originally Posted by priscilla

I do feel sorry for jean.but she shouldnt have taken the money that wasnt hers to.give
and i dont want anything to happen.to michael he has done wrong but his had a troubled childhood and cause i.think his hot (just my.opinion)

That may be that he had a troubled childhood but he is a grown man now, not a child anymore. He needs to get over this childhood now. He is about to become a father so he is not still the child.

[GloriaSnockers]

The Jean we're being shown couldn't manipulate Roxy. Jean is being portrayed as being so dense that even Arthur's bench looks intelligent in comparison.

[vald]

Originally Posted by Jamesthethird

How disgraceful!! Jean is taking advantage of Roxy's trusting nature lying through her teeth and even going so far as to shout at Roxy and make her feel bad for rightly suspecting that Jean had lost the Vic's money.

Jean truly is an awful, awful woman, she does not deserve any fans. Pure evil.

Roxy has engineered her way into Kat and Alfie's home because she has set her sights on Alfie. She's hardly an innocent..trying to break up a marriage and deprive a son of his father may not be a crime but it iscertainly very wrong.
Of course she has already tried this with Christian and Max...maybe it'll be a case of third time lucky.