[Cantona07]

Originally Posted by batdude_uk1

Yes that may very well be true, but if you don't read twitter, or read the newsapapers, it is very easy to get away from all that frenzy.



I thought Swarez was the originator of all that hate to do with handball, after he did that to Ghana? (Or was the Henry thing before the Swarez thing, I forget now??)

Things only get blown up, if you pay enough attention to them, if you don't then, they don't.

Behave! Any actions are in the eyes of a far bigger media storm now than ever before. All media feeds off each other. It would be simplistic in the extreme to take the ostrich approach and pretend it isn't happening. "If i don't read it it doesn't exist"? Hardly.

Henry happened first, for the record, and the outcry was immense. There are still Henry Hoovers is Ireland that are still unable to suck.

[batdude_uk1]

Originally Posted by Cantona07

Behave! Any actions are in the eyes of a far bigger media storm now than ever before. All media feeds off each other. It would be simplistic in the extreme to take the ostrich approach and pretend it isn't happening. "If i don't read it it doesn't exist"? Hardly.

Henry happened first, for the record, and the outcry was immense. There are still Henry Hoovers is Ireland that are still unable to suck.

BIB: That is because they are rubbish hoovers, we had one for a bit, and it was rubbish.

I was agreeign with you, that there are more ways to find an outcry over an incident, then seemingly ever before, but it is nothing to do with an Ostrich, or their apporoach, I haven't read a newsapaper or read twitter in months, and I have managed to keep pretty much in the loop of things, without being bombarded with overboardness (if you know what I mean).

Different times and penalties shouldn't be judged by today's standards, just like todays standards shouldn't be judged by what happens in 2020.

[Cantona07]

Originally Posted by batdude_uk1

BIB: That is because they are rubbish hoovers, we had one for a bit, and it was rubbish.

I was agreeign with you, that there are more ways to find an outcry over an incident, then seemingly ever before, but it is nothing to do with an Ostrich, or their apporoach, I haven't read a newsapaper or read twitter in months, and I have managed to keep pretty much in the loop of things, without being bombarded with overboardness (if you know what I mean).

Different times and penalties shouldn't be judged by today's standards, just like todays standards shouldn't be judged by what happens in 2020.

But they have to be.

Not reading a newspaper or Twitter is all very noble of you but it doesnt mean that world doesn't exist, it just means you don't see it. You can exist in a bubble if you want but you simply become someone who lacks information rather than someone who is taking a higher ground.

Thats the reality.

You learn to filter and choose the info that is important rather than sticking your fingers in your ears and denying that the info exists in the first place.

[batdude_uk1]

Originally Posted by Cantona07

But they have to be.

Not reading a newspaper or Twitter is all very noble of you but it doesnt mean that world doesn't exist, it just means you don't see it. You can exist in a bubble if you want but you simply become someone who lacks information rather than someone who is taking a higher ground.

Thats the reality.

You learn to filter and choose the info that is important rather than sticking your fingers in your ears and denying that the info exists in the first place.

I have learnt to filter what is good and bad, and I have chosen not read any newspaper until something newsworthy comes up.
It isn't living in a bubble, it is just living how I want to live my life, that is all.
Anyway, we are getting off on another wild tanget here.

[BomoLad]

Barton's a good player but i don't think there'd be any point investing in him to play for us on the basis that it'll take one tweet - a tweet that is guaranteed to happen sooner or later - for him to completely piss Sir Alex off and risk his place in the team.

I understand the point about baggage and that we've handled troubled players in the past, but whatever you think of Barton and however much you find his honesty refreshing, someone who has a track record of openly slagging off other people in the game is perhaps a little too much baggage. Certainly for Sir Alex to put up with.

The two will come to blows as soon as look each other in the eye, you suspect. If ever there were two characters destined to rub each other up the wrong way it's them two.

[Cantona07]

Originally Posted by batdude_uk1

I have learnt to filter what is good and bad, and I have chosen not read any newspaper until something newsworthy comes up.
It isn't living in a bubble, it is just living how I want to live my life, that is all.
Anyway, we are getting off on another wild tanget here.

You do this every time the truth arrives.

How do you know if something newsworthy arrives in the papers if you don't read them?

If you hear of a newsworthy item do you buy the paper and only read that article?

[Cantona07]

Originally Posted by BomoLad

Barton's a good player but i don't think there'd be any point investing in him to play for us on the basis that it'll take one tweet - a tweet that is guaranteed to happen sooner or later - for him to completely piss Sir Alex off and risk his place in the team.

I understand the point about baggage and that we've handled troubled players in the past, but whatever you think of Barton and however much you find his honesty refreshing, someone who has a track record of openly slagging off other people in the game is perhaps a little too much baggage. Certainly for Sir Alex to put up with.

The two will come to blows as soon as look each other in the eye, you suspect. If ever there were two characters destined to rub each other up the wrong way it's them two.

For the record - I agree with you.

Having said that you could have made the exact same post about Cantona in 1992, adjusted for relevance of course.

Who would have thought they would have got along?

[BomoLad]

I'm encouraged Fergie is mouthing off complaining about prices. It shows that we're in for players quoted and Fergie is trying to use the media to encourage teams to drop their demands.

£20m a piece for Baines and Tiote are two ridiculous prices.

[BomoLad]

Originally Posted by Cantona07

For the record - I agree with you.

Having said that you could have made the exact same post about Cantona in 1992, adjusted for relevance of course.

Who would have thought they would have got along?

Cantona was younger and have that 'genius temperament' that I think Sir Alex saw he had to put up with in order to benefit from.

Barton, with respect, doesn't really fit within that category. If he did perhaps his shenanigans would be put up with. He doesn't have the ability to pull off his personality defect. If he wasn't mouthy and a bit of a stirrer, I could see him playing at a top four club, easily. I think his talent is at least equal to someone like Scott Parker's.

[batdude_uk1]

Originally Posted by Cantona07

You do this every time the truth arrives.

How do you know if something newsworthy arrives in the papers if you don't read them?

If you hear of a newsworthy item do you buy the paper and only read that article?

The Truth? No, on this occassion, I feel that we have gone way over the top, and moved soo far away from what we were talking about, that I would class it as a tangent, that is all.

As for your other points, I don't know if you have heard of this magic invention, it is called television, and on it, you can catch upto date with the news, and there is also the invention called the internet, with which it is possible to just catch up on the specific news that interests you. It is magic.

As for the" buying a newspaper and only reading that article" bit, yes, that is what I would do, what is wrong with that? Why read something else that doesn't interest me?
I don't go searching out on the interent for something that doesn't interest me, so why should I do that with a newspaper??

[BomoLad]

I think we have a strong chance of getting Tiote and Baines to both hand in transfer requests at their respective clubs.

[batdude_uk1]

Originally Posted by BomoLad

I'm encouraged Fergie is mouthing off complaining about prices. It shows that we're in for players quoted and Fergie is trying to use the media to encourage teams to drop their demands.

£20m a piece for Baines and Tiote are two ridiculous prices.

Yes, that is good to see, and it is good that he is using all of his ways shall we say, to get good value.

The prices are stupid, and would need to come down considerably before we would do business for those two players, but I guess that is the modern world, clubs have inflated the market, and that is the result.

[Cantona07]

Originally Posted by batdude_uk1

As for your other points, I don't know if you have heard of this magic invention, it is called television, and on it, you can catch upto date with the news, and there is also the invention called the internet, with which it is possible to just catch up on the specific news that interests you. It is magic.

No i haven't, why don't you tell me a bit more about it as you seem to think I'm that stupid?

Everything that appears on TV is of course factual, as well all know.

As is the internet.

Im glad you maintained the standards of the discussion.

Well done.

[batdude_uk1]

Originally Posted by BomoLad

I think we have a strong chance of getting Tiote and Baines to both hand in transfer requests at their respective clubs.

I don't know about handing in transfer requests as such, but perhaps having a word with their respective managers, and trying to persude them to let them go, would be more likely, I fee.

[CTD101]

Originally Posted by BomoLad

I think we have a strong chance of getting Tiote and Baines to both hand in transfer requests at their respective clubs.

I have 2 issues with Tiote.

1. He's a yellow card magnet.

2. The bloody African Cup of Nations.

As for Baines, as C07 has pointed out many times, he won't come to us to sit on the bench.

[Cantona07]

Originally Posted by BomoLad

I think we have a strong chance of getting Tiote and Baines to both hand in transfer requests at their respective clubs.

£15-20m isn't bad for Tiote IMO.

[BomoLad]

Has the Powell move been finalised yet? I'd love that transfer to go through. If only to piss off the transfer muppets who'll rush back to Green and Gold the second we don't break the bank on a signing.

'Would City pay £4m for a nobody player ' etc.

[batdude_uk1]

Originally Posted by Cantona07

No i haven't, why don't you tell me a bit more about it as you seem to think I'm that stupid?

Everything that appears on TV is of course factual, as well all know.

As is the internet.

Im glad you maintained the standards of the discussion.

Well done.

I was being sarcastic.

Everything that appears in newsapers is of course factual is it?
Every medium has its flaws, one doesn't really have superiority over the other.

[BomoLad]

Originally Posted by CTD101

I have 2 issues with Tiote.

1. He's a yellow card magnet.

2. The bloody African Cup of Nations.

As for Baines, as C07 has pointed out many times, he won't come to us to sit on the bench.

I don't think being a yellow card magnate is necessarily a bad thing.

The second point I understand

[BomoLad]

Originally Posted by Cantona07

£15-20m isn't bad for Tiote IMO.

I see what you're saying, but if you look at Tiote and Baines, as a 'double swoop' you'd be disappointed to have spent £40m+ on both, I think.

[batdude_uk1]

Originally Posted by Cantona07

£15-20m isn't bad for Tiote IMO.

Where as, I feel that sort of price, is way out of since with his ability.

[Cantona07]

Originally Posted by batdude_uk1

Everything that appears in newsapers is of course factual is it?
Every medium has its flaws, one doesn't really have superiority over the other.

I think you will find that was my point.

For the record what you said wasn't sarcasm at all.

[Cantona07]

Originally Posted by BomoLad

I see what you're saying, but if you look at Tiote and Baines, as a 'double swoop' you'd be disappointed to have spent £40m+ on both, I think.

But i wouldn't buy Baines for anywhere near £20m.

[batdude_uk1]

Originally Posted by BomoLad

Has the Powell move been finalised yet? I'd love that transfer to go through. If only to piss off the transfer muppets who'll rush back to Green and Gold the second we don't break the bank on a signing.

'Would City pay £4m for a nobody player :angry: ' etc.

I have the local paper here (the Nantwich Chronicle, the sister paper of the Crewe Chronicle) and it is their lead story, above the actual promotion of Crewe Alex.
"Wembley Hero Nick Nears United Move", is their main backpage headline.

[batdude_uk1]

Originally Posted by Cantona07

For the record what you said wasn't sarcasm at all.

Yes it was, I should know, I wrote it!

Originally Posted by Cantona07

But i wouldn't buy Baines for anywhere near £20m.

I agree, but I would still buy someone for a left back spot, and Baines is a good player for that role, but lets not open that can of worms again.