[kendoguk]

Defend nani all u want he is useless end off

[SSReporters]

Originally Posted by Vidic

Nani just produced an absolutely perfectly weighted pass to set-up Portugals winner. Some world-class crosses from him throughout the tournament.

Brilliant performance by him today, and so far overall throughout the tournament has outshone Ronaldo. Anyone without rose-tinted glasses can see that.

Anything who thinks Nani should be sold knows nothing about football. He is in the top 5 wingers in the world.

I'm sure he is, he just hasn't shown it in his time with Manchester United....

[Tribec]

Originally Posted by zieler

Oh and you really don't rate Young do you

His performances in the Euro's are typical him. As good as he is, and I do think he's good. He isn't, no I won't say he's not "United quality", I don't want to go into what that means.
He hasn't that got extra something, that bit of something that will take your breath away. Valencia had the speed and crossing ability, Park has that 3rd lung of his, that gives him so much energy, and Nani has that skill. Young is for me a poor man's Valencia. I couldn't see what we bought him for, in terms of he was no better than what we had. My only thinking is that he can play on the left, and gives us an option there. However, I just feel we could have done better.

[Tribec]

Originally Posted by kendoguk

Defend nani all u want he is useless end off

A very constructive arguement you put up. Why is Young better than Nani please?

[kingjeremy]

Originally Posted by f_196

Assists are a twisted statistic.

All they show are that someone put away what he supplied. Credit to the scorer there.

When you are comparing three like for like players, Nani, Young and Valencia, it's a fair comparison to make though.

Nani has been no more inconsistent than the other two last season, all three had injuries, all three had shit spells, Young's tend to come in bulks, as does Valencia's, whereas Nani's go from game to game a bit more. All three have a decent return of goals and assists.

There's bollocks all to choose between all three of them, judging by last season, so it's baffling to me Nani takes more stick than the other two combined

[f_196]

Originally Posted by kingjeremy

When you are comparing three like for like players, Nani, Young and Valencia, it's a fair comparison to make though.

Nani has been no more inconsistent than the other two last season, all three had injuries, all three had shit spells, Young's tend to come in bulks, as does Valencia's, whereas Nani's go from game to game a bit more. All three have a decent return of goals and assists.

There's bollocks all to choose between all three of them, judging by last season, so it's baffling to me Nani takes more stick than the other two combined

Like I said on the previous page though, Berbatov finished top of the stats for goals per minute.

He's most certainly never playing for us again! Stats aren't everything.

[SSReporters]

Nani gets the most stick because he has been around the club much much longer and he's the most expensive of the 3 (albeit not by much).

[kingjeremy]

I'm not saying they are everything, but when comparing like for like players they are are a good guideline to see how each player has contributed over a season.

After all Downing gets ripped on for his 0 goals and 0 assists, maybe he really contributed a lot more?

I'm not even saying Nani isn't frustratingly inconsistent at times (I was screaming at him when he missed that sitter tonight), just he gets a lot of stick on here that really isn't warranted, not unless you are handing it out to other players as well.

[kingjeremy]

Originally Posted by SSReporters

Nani gets the most stick because he has been around the club much much longer and he's the most expensive of the 3 (albeit not by much).

When did we start judging players by what they cost? How does Nani have anything to do with how much United payed for him? That should never be used as a stick to beat him with.

I'm also not fussed what he did, 3, 4 or 5 years ago, I'm fussed by what he does now, last season he was comparable to both Young and Valencia, I'm hoping this season he will be too.

[SSReporters]

Oh dear, just found out the *ahem*revival*ahem* is shortlived for a certain someone.

Have any of you watched The Damned United? Just checked it out from the library and will watch it tonight or late in the week. Got good reviews from what I heard.

[Tribec]

Originally Posted by kingjeremy

When did we start judging players by what they cost? How does Nani have anything to do with how much United payed for him? That should never be used as a stick to beat him with.

I'm also not fussed what he did, 3, 4 or 5 years ago, I'm fussed by what he does now, last season he was comparable to both Young and Valencia, I'm hoping this season he will be too.

You do look back at previous seasons, and look for spells where players were consistent over a period, and you look for markers which may repeat that turn of form. Nani has as many tricks in his locker than Ronaldo does, but he just doesn't use them effectively and consistently as he should.

I think that's why he get's so much stick. Valencia and Young are direct wingers,who are more than happy to play the ball beyond the full back and whip in a cross. Even when they are playing badly as Young is in this Euro's all it takes is one or two good crosses to the keep fans happy. Nani though, tries a back heel or another trick and it doesn't come off, and we moan. We look for the simple things, and when the flicks and tricks don't come off we'll get on the players back for it quicker as it looks like they are showing off.

[kendoguk]

I don't like nani because he seems to be in it for himself always trying to make himself out as the main man the show stopper, the other players mentioned are more team players and work harder, it would be different if nani had more of an end product with all his selfishness but he doesn't. Is that better for you?

[Tribec]

Originally Posted by SSReporters

Oh dear, just found out the *ahem*revival*ahem* is shortlived for a certain someone.

Have any of you watched The Damned United? Just checked it out from the library and will watch it tonight or late in the week. Got good reviews from what I heard.

It's middle of the road. I've watched it a couple of times now, and whilst it was never going to get an oscar, it did the job required. I've not read the book it was based on and I wouldn't take it as gospel what's in the film either, too many players and those connected with the people involved have come out against both the book and film for that it to be taken as factual.

I think Sheen does a good job as Clough mind, and as I say it isn't gospel, it does provide with some evidence of the partnership Clough had with Taylor. It suggests as much as I had thought prior to watching it, that Clough whilst being a very good manager, wasn't as good as most make out, as I think Clough and Taylor apart really didn't work. However that's another arguement.

[batdude_uk1]

I actually quite like The Damned United, it does a good job of being both faithful to the book, and also to the period.
You just shouldn't take it too seriously.

I prefer Sheen in Frost/Nixon.

[Tribec]

Originally Posted by kendoguk

I don't like nani because he seems to be in it for himself always trying to make himself out as the main man the show stopper, the other players mentioned are more team players and work harder, it would be different if nani had more of an end product with all his selfishness but he doesn't. Is that better for you?

That's a fair enough opinion and whilst I don't agree he's in it for himself, it's understandable why you would say that. Till 2006/07 season, did you have the same opinion of Ronaldo, as the same could have been said about him at that point.

However, as my previous post about Nani suggests we like players who do the job, and nowt fancy as perhaps we up North might say. The more fancy stuff he tiries and the more it doesn't work out the more frustating it becomes as we all cry out for the "simple" ball. Which to me was also a failing of a young Fletcher when he first came into the team. To many attempts at Beckham type balls.

[kendoguk]

Ronald more often than not had an end product. I Spose if nani scores 41 goals in a season ill have a different view but that has t happend so we will never know. I guess there's no point going on about it in the end.

[Tribec]

Originally Posted by kendoguk

Ronald more often than not had an end product. I Spose if nani scores 41 goals in a season ill have a different view but that has t happend so we will never know. I guess there's no point going on about it in the end.

I was discussing before he scored all the goals. Prior to 2006/07 season Ronaldo was very much considered as being a talent, who did one step over too many and fell down way to often without really any end product.

[NorthernNinny]

Originally Posted by kingjeremy

Kitties, I prefer kitties

Are you a kitty cat man J?

[kingjeremy]

Yeah I like kitties and puppies to be fair, but kitties more.

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[BomoLad]

Yes Mr Jong

[BomoLad]

Originally Posted by kingjeremy

Yeah I like kitties and puppies to be fair, but kitties more.

Wrong choice. Fact.

[Joey Boswell]

I must be a good girl I have been told.

Onto the England match, are we pleased its Welbeck and Rooney look like starting up front.

A friend of mine reckons Carroll should play with Welbeck and Rooney start from the bench, but then he hates Rooney anyway.

[Joey Boswell]

Originally Posted by NorthernNinny

Are you a kitty cat man J?

i like cats, I had three cats at one time.

[kingjeremy]

Any animal that regularly eats it's own feces I generally rank down the pecking order of animals. That along with their obsession with sniffing asses, pissing on you when excited and humping legs, in my mind, makes them inferior to cats.

Pack animals are generally dumb and easily manipulated though.