The Ratings Thread (Part 36)

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Cent

25-06-2012

I wonder how long the BBC and ITV will get away with sharing the rights to the Euros and the World Cup.

It is effectively price-fixing, in that the only two broadcasters who could realistically bid for them are teaming up to avoid a bidding war. I can't see UEFA/FIFA standing for it for much longer, especially as they are getting it so cheap compared to other broadcasters.

Another thought - if the BBC bid for one of the live premiership packages they must have money to play with the in the sports budget - I wonder what else they might spend it on?

They should really try and keep the Olympics, but they are holding out on paying more than they have to there. Giving the Paralympics to Channel 4 was a warning shot and the BBC don't particularly seem to have listened. Perhaps quite rightly, I can't see anyone else stepping forward to spend the money on them.

RobbieSykes123

25-06-2012

Originally Posted by GeorgeS:
“As you mentioned Christmas, ITV are filming bits for Text Santa at the moment, so its obviously back this Christmas Eve”

Most charitable of them.

No, not the fundraising element, I mean gifting BBC1 a stellar rating night.

Originally Posted by rzt:
“In Germany, an average of 19.30m watched England v Italy match. Astonishing rating over there, equivalent to something like 14.5m watching a match involving foreign teams here in the UK. Great rating over here as well, the peak was about 0.5-1m higher than I expected.”

That's all you have to say, "great rating"?

Our first reported 20m average figure for a decade, and that's it? We've all been conga'ing around the Ratings Thread storecupboard all day. Show a bit of ratings geek enthusiasm, man...

Cent

25-06-2012

Originally Posted by NeilVW:
“Ahh but the modern ratings universe only began in the early 80s, didn't it?”

Well the BBC claimed The Voice was the highest rated first series of an entertainment show "on record", which was apparently based on the fact they don't keep records from before 2001.

Cent

25-06-2012

EmilioLargo posted this in the Broadcasting forum...

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/18587088

The alternative montage being prepared by the BBC for the closing credits in the event of an England win. Very unusual to see. I guess they felt their mash-up of 'Sweet Dreams' and 'Rolling in the Deep' deserved to see the light of day.

RobbieSykes123

25-06-2012

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Glenn A

25-06-2012

Originally Posted by NeilVW:
“Ahh but the modern ratings universe only began in the early 80s, didn't it? Anyway, I'm sure the working-class grannies who make up ITV's core audience preferred to watch a test card than get up and change the channel to BBC1, keeping the figure above 8% ”

There was a blue caption with Independent Television and a comment about industrial action.
Also you'd find ITV back in 1979 catered to a vaster cross section of society then. With 50 per cent of the audience, ITV shows had a massive following across all classes( except the most snobbish BBC addicts).

grahamzxy

25-06-2012

Healthy Euro 2012 ratings recently, giving excellent value for money to BBC1/ITV1 especially in primetime. BBC1 having the last 4 crunch matches - is like an early birthday present in the run up to the Olympics.

rzt

25-06-2012

Originally Posted by RobbieSykes123:
“That's all you have to say, "great rating"?

Our first reported 20m average figure for a decade, and that's it? We've all been conga'ing around the Ratings Thread storecupboard all day. Show a bit of ratings geek enthusiasm, man...

”

I was a bit late to the party, everything which could be said has already been said so there wasn't much to add really. The last time an England knockout match was in primetime it averaged 20.7m with a 5-min peak over 25m and pretty much every other time an England tournament knockout match has been in primetime, they've averaged 20m+. It's roughly in line with the sort of figure you generally come to expect from this kind of match going to penalties plus factoring in the lower interest in the England team this tournament. It's a stellar television rating, there's no doubt about it and it goes without saying. In the context of it being an England knockout match going to penalties, I'd probably stand by what I said that it was a great rather than an exceptional rating.

Ads

25-06-2012

Not seen too much on US ratings on here in a bit. So some of you may find this article interesting

http://www.tvguide.com/News/Broadcas...e-1049102.aspx

So for the first time ever a cable network was the most watched tv channel in prime time, beating all the networks - well done the history Channel. The main reason for this seems to be its new drama Hatfields & McCoys, whose debut attracted 13.9 million viewers.

Seems strange that the networks struggle so much to find new hit dramas, yet basic cable can throw up numbers like that.

NeilVW

25-06-2012

Originally Posted by Glenn A:
“There was a blue caption with Independent Television and a comment about industrial action.
Also you'd find ITV back in 1979 catered to a vaster cross section of society then. With 50 per cent of the audience, ITV shows had a massive following across all classes( except the most snobbish BBC addicts).”

I'll take your word for it, that was the year I was born

No, you're correct, and it has been written here that BBC1 was pretty ropey for large parts of decades past. ITV of course had no commercial competition in those days, and could take more creative risks.

RobbieSykes123

25-06-2012

Originally Posted by rzt:
“I was a bit late to the party, everything which could be said has already been said so there wasn't much to add really. The last time an England knockout match was in primetime it averaged 20.7m with a 5-min peak over 25m and pretty much every other time an England tournament knockout match has been in primetime, they've averaged 20m+. It's roughly in line with the sort of figure you generally come to expect from this kind of match going to penalties plus factoring in the lower interest in the England team this tournament. It's a stellar television rating, there's no doubt about it and it goes without saying. In the context of it being an England knockout match going to penalties, I'd probably stand by what I said that it was a great rather than an exceptional rating.”

Misery guts...

D.M.N.

25-06-2012

Originally Posted by D.M.N.:
“Primetime Shares
BBC One - 61.3%
ITV1 - 7.2% (+1: 0.5%)
* lowest ever primetime share
BBC Two - 4.3%
Channel 4 - 2.7% (+1: 0.6%)
Channel 5 - 2.2% (+1: 0.2%)”

Interesting note - while ITV1's primetime share was their lowest ever, BBC One's share was it's highest Sunday share since December 1993.

Brekkie

25-06-2012

Originally Posted by Ads:
“Not seen too much on US ratings on here in a bit. So some of you may find this article interesting

http://www.tvguide.com/News/Broadcas...e-1049102.aspx

So for the first time ever a cable network was the most watched tv channel in prime time, beating all the networks - well done the history Channel. The main reason for this seems to be its new drama Hatfields & McCoys, whose debut attracted 13.9 million viewers.

Seems strange that the networks struggle so much to find new hit dramas, yet basic cable can throw up numbers like that.”

Well that all went by rather unnoticed. Amazing really the big networks can throw millions at a network drama launch doomed to failure (often even if it looks great on paper) and then some historical series which you'd assume to be of rather niche appeal can get a figure like that out on cable.

Originally Posted by RobbieSykes123:
“Misery guts...

”

Like you'd be full of praise if it had been ITV screening last nights game getting such exceptional ratings.

NeilVW

25-06-2012

Originally Posted by D.M.N.:
“Interesting note - while ITV1's primetime share was their lowest ever, BBC One's share was it's highest Sunday share since December 1993. ”

Yes, and according to ITV Media, at 40% it was BBC1's highest Sunday all-day share since July 2006. That must have been 2 July 2006, during the teatime of which Portugal beat England on penalties in the quarter-finals of the World Cup...penalties are the agony and the ecstasy on this thread! (ratings porn, as Robbie called it)

I wonder if that Super Sunday peaktime share in December 1993 was on Boxing Day, with this schedule:

Boxing Day 1993 - BBC1

7.00pm Keeping Up Appearances with Patricia Routledge, Clive Swift
8.00pm Casualty
8.50pm News with Chris Lowe; Weather with Michael Fish
9.05pm One Foot in the Algarve starring Richard Wilson, Annette Crosbie
10.40pm Film : The Outlaw Josey Wales (1976) starring Clint Eastwood

Doesn't look too stunning, but I suppose those series were pretty huge back then. Odd to see Casualty there.

[EDIT: One Foot in the Algarve allegedly got 20.01 million officially, so that must have been the anchor of the night.]

And that was against these ITV offerings:

Boxing Day 1993 - ITV

7.05pm A Tribute to Les Dawson
8.00pm Agatha Christie's Poirot starring David Suchet
9.00pm Dame Edna in Hollywood
10.00pm Spitting Image Pantomine
10.30pm News, Weather
10.40pm Hale and Pace - the Business

Glenn A

25-06-2012

Originally Posted by NeilVW:
“I'll take your word for it, that was the year I was born

No, you're correct, and it has been written here that BBC1 was pretty ropey for large parts of decades past. ITV of course had no commercial competition in those days, and could take more creative risks.”

BBC1 was good from 1964 until 1982, except in summer when repeats were the order of the day and the station had to accomodate hundreds of hours of sport( for non sports fans), but after this date there were some bad ratings slumps as in 1983-84 and 1992-94 and a feeling in the late nineties that the station was being dominated by pets. vets, makeovers and cheap LE. However, with ITV1's ratings and quality falling as we entered the 21st century, BBC1 seems to have had the upper hand over the last 11 years or so.

freaky8

26-06-2012

England-Italy seen on Rai1, RaiHD e RaiSport 1 by 19.47m 74.56% (peak at 21.81m 85.31% during last penalty)

http://www.davidemaggio.it/archives/...-19-5mln-74-56

wizzywick

26-06-2012

Originally Posted by NeilVW:
“Yes, and according to ITV Media, at 40% it was BBC1's highest Sunday all-day share since July 2006. That must have been 2 July 2006, during the teatime of which Portugal beat England on penalties in the quarter-finals of the World Cup...penalties are the agony and the ecstasy on this thread! (ratings porn, as Robbie called it)

I wonder if that Super Sunday peaktime share in December 1993 was on Boxing Day, with this schedule:

Boxing Day 1993 - BBC1

7.00pm Keeping Up Appearances with Patricia Routledge, Clive Swift
8.00pm Casualty
8.50pm News with Chris Lowe; Weather with Michael Fish
9.05pm One Foot in the Algarve starring Richard Wilson, Annette Crosbie
10.40pm Film : The Outlaw Josey Wales (1976) starring Clint Eastwood

Doesn't look too stunning, but I suppose those series were pretty huge back then. Odd to see Casualty there.

[EDIT: One Foot in the Algarve allegedly got 20.01 million officially, so that must have been the anchor of the night.]

And that was against these ITV offerings:

Boxing Day 1993 - ITV

7.05pm A Tribute to Les Dawson
8.00pm Agatha Christie's Poirot starring David Suchet
9.00pm Dame Edna in Hollywood
10.00pm Spitting Image Pantomine
10.30pm News, Weather
10.40pm Hale and Pace - the Business”

Except in 1993 the 26th December was known as Christmas Sunday! Indeed as it was called everytime the day after Christmas fell on a Sunday right up to 1999 when it suddenly changed to Boxing Day without any reasoning!

RobbieSykes123

26-06-2012

Xmas Sunday 93 rated:

Keeping Up Appearances 17.3m
Casualty 17.7m
News 16.7m
One Foot... 20.01m

Must be one of the most comprehensive non 25th December trouncings BBC1 has handed out to ITV, and this was when ITV was kicking ass most nights, most of the year.

Yet it was Xmas Night 93 that ITV took the flak for their white flag schedule. That said, BBC1 did get 19m for each of OFAH, Birds... and 18m for the Ghost premiere.

Salv*

26-06-2012

Controversial episode of BB today and many Ofcom complaints made due to the threatening of physical and sexual violence from an Irish man to a Beauty Queen. If this gets worse, this could get out of hand.
People outraged, this could either make ratings drop or rise. It's all unfolding and it was a disgusting episode. Forum was the busiest its been since the launch.

Please not another Shilpa incident!

Dancc

26-06-2012

Originally Posted by Salv*:
“Controversial episode of BB today and many Ofcom complaints made due to the threatening of physical and sexual violence from an Irish man to a Beauty Queen. If this gets worse, this could get out of hand.
People outraged, this could either make ratings drop or rise. It's all unfolding and it was a disgusting episode. Forum was the busiest its been since the launch.

Please not another Shilpa incident!”

Yet again the producers stuffed up. All they had to do was show him the door when the comments were made and put the whole house up for eviction, it was that simple. Instead the shit will hit the fan in spectacular fashion and the show will be dragged through the mud once again.

Ratings wise I can't see this having anything but a bad effect. The series has a very nasty vibe about it now and the producers have become too clueless and spineless to do anything about it.

Nosnikrapl

26-06-2012

Originally Posted by Dancc:
“Yet again the producers stuffed up. All they had to do was show him the door when the comments were made and put the whole house up for eviction, it was that simple. Instead the shit will hit the fan in spectacular fashion and the show will be dragged through the mud once again.

Ratings wise I can't see this having anything but a bad effect. The series has a very nasty vibe about it now and the producers have become too clueless and spineless to do anything about it.”

Nah - BB want controversy / want nasty. They will be rubbing their hands with glee that the show will make some headlines outside of the very narrow sphere it now inhabits.

rzt

26-06-2012

Here's a breakdown of England v Italy:

Code:

1900 *	5.71
1905 *	6.35
1910 *	6.82
1915 *	7.25
1920 *	7.82
1925 *	9.51
1930 *	10.86
1935 *	11.69
1940 *	13.81
1945 *	16.32
1950 *	17.42
1955 *	18.41
2000 *	19.04
2005 *	19.25
2010 *	19.64
2015 *	19.86
2020 *	20.01
2025 *	20.42
2030 *	18.53
2035 *	17.74
2040 *	18.22
2045 *	19.52
2050 *	20.17
2055 *	20.79
2100 *	20.94
2105 *	21.04
2110 *	20.97
2115 *	20.96
2120 *	21.13
2125 *	21.43
2130 *	21.60
2135 *	20.17
2140 *	20.59
2145 *	21.19
2150 *	21.15
2155 *	21.23
2200 *	22.12
2205 *	22.16
2210 *	22.44
2215 *	22.56
2220 *	23.16
2225 *	17.71
2230 *	13.62
2235 *	10.77
2240 *	9.44

The match average (excluding half-time filler) was 20.55m (68.5%). First half averaged 18.93m (66.0%), second half averaged 20.85m (67.6%), extra time & penalties averaged 21.84m (72.2%).

Euro 2012 Ratings Update:

Code:

Date & Time............Teams (Channel).............Broadcast.......Match...........Peak...........
Fri 08/6 16:15-19:00...Poland v Greece (BBC1).....4.26m (27.5%)...5.07m (30.1%)...6.54m (32.7%)...
Fri 08/6 19:15-22:00...Russia v Czech (ITV1)......4.54m (20.5%)...5.40m (23.9%)...5.89m (25.4%)...
Sat 09/6 16:30-19:10...Holland v Denmark (BBC1)...5.62m (36.2%)...6.29m (38.9%)...7.59m (41.0%)...
Sat 09/6 19:30-22:00...Germany v Portugal (BBC1)..7.69m (35.1%)...8.48m (38.2%)...9.30m (39.8%)...
Sun 10/6 16:05-19:00...Spain v Italy (ITV1).......5.83m (32.0%)...7.52m (37.3%)...9.12m (40.4%)...
Sun 10/6 19:15-22:00...Ireland v Croatia (ITV1)...6.60m (26.7%)...7.73m (30.5%)...8.36m (33.3%)...
Mon 11/6 16:00-19:30...France v England (ITV1)....8.90m (47.1%)...12.60m (57.7%)..15.26m (60.4%)...
Mon 11/6 19:00-22:00...Ukraine v Sweden (BBC1)....5.27m (22.4%)...6.37m (26.1%)...7.45m (31.0%)...
Tue 12/6 16:30-19:05...Greece v Czech (ITV1)......3.72m (24.9%)...4.32m (27.3%)...5.79m (29.3%)...
Tue 12/6 19:20-22:00...Poland v Russia (ITV1).....5.96m (25.7%)...6.85m (29.0%)...7.83m (31.6%)...
Wed 13/6 16:30-19:00...Denmark v Portugal (ITV1)..4.04m (27.7%)...4.73m (30.3%)...6.62m (34.6%)...
Wed 13/6 19:00-22:00...Holland v Germany (BBC1)...7.01m (31.2%)...8.60m (36.3%)...9.78m (39.7%)...
Thu 14/6 16:45-19:00...Italy v Croatia (BBC1).....4.62m (29.5%)...4.97m (30.8%)...7.12m (35.7%)...
Thu 14/6 19:15-22:00...Spain v Ireland (ITV1).....6.43m (28.3%)...7.71m (33.1%)...8.48m (35.6%)...
Fri 15/6 16:30-20:00...Ukraine v France (ITV1)....4.57m (26.6%)...6.24m (31.8%)...7.02m (33.9%)...
Fri 15/6 19:00-22:10...Sweden v England (BBC1)....10.96m (45.1%)..14.31m (55.1%)..16.25m (60.3%)...
Sat 16/6 19:10-22:00...Poland v Czech (BBC1)......5.72m (26.4%)...6.46m (29.2%)...7.07m (32.3%)...
Sat 16/6 19:30-22:00...Greece v Russia (BBC3).....1.02m (04.6%)...1.31m (05.9%)...2.30m (10.0%)...
Sun 17/6 19:15-22:00...Portugal v Holland (ITV1)..6.92m (28.0%)...8.30m (32.3%)...8.98m (33.8%)...
Sun 17/6 19:15-22:00...Denmark v Germany (ITV4)...0.99m (04.0%)...1.19m (04.6%)...1.68m (06.3%)...
Mon 18/6 19:15-22:00...Croatia v Spain (BBC1).....6.33m (28.3%)...7.58m (32.2%)...8.83m (35.9%)...
Mon 18/6 19:30-22:00...Italy v Ireland (BBC3).....1.11m (04.8%)...1.31m (05.6%)...1.64m (07.2%)...
Tue 19/6 19:00-22:10...England v Ukraine (ITV1)...12.37m (49.4%)..16.28m (59.7%)..18.49m (63.5%)...
Tue 19/6 19:00-21:50...Sweden v France (ITV4).....0.25m (01.0%)...0.28m (01.0%)...0.63m (02.9%)...
....................................................................................................
Thu 21/6 19:30-22:00...Portugal v Czech (BBC1)....7.91m (34.2%)...8.81m (36.9%)...10.14m (41.2%)...
Fri 22/6 19:20-22:00...Greece v Germany (ITV1)....7.24m (31.9%)...8.28m (35.6%)...09.39m (39.9%)...
Sat 23/6 19:15-22:00...Spain v France (ITV1)......7.33m (33.2%)...9.01m (39.2%)...10.16m (42.9%)...
Sun 24/6 19:00-22:45...England v Italy (BBC1).....17.36m (62.3%)..20.55m (68.5%)..23.16m (77.4%)...

i4u

26-06-2012

Originally Posted by Salv*:
“Controversial episode of BB today and many Ofcom complaints made due to the threatening of physical and sexual violence from an Irish man to a Beauty Queen. If this gets worse, this could get out of hand.
People outraged, this could either make ratings drop or rise. It's all unfolding and it was a disgusting episode. Forum was the busiest its been since the launch.

Please not another Shilpa incident!”

How do you know at midnight OFCOM has had many complaints made re BB?

As only about 1.5m are watching the programme it can only be fanatics of BB kicking up a fuss, to get ratings.

InMyArms

26-06-2012

It's weird, we have this mammoth rating in but i'm still asking myself.. could the olympics opening beat it?

big bro geek

26-06-2012

I kind of hope ratings plummet. The way the producers have acted is a disgrace.

Do you remember the outcry when Nasty Nick passed about a few notes and got chucked out? However, threatening to "shove an epilator up her m***e" and "punch her so she's knocked out" and they get away with absolutely no punishment

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