Does anybody know what BOTS got last night?

But using the figures we have (because obviously we don't know what the figures were when it first started), I believe 3.3m is its worst ever rating. But I wouldn't be surprised if it goes lower than that next Friday...

I would agree in its modern form this is dire. Wonder how long before we get EMMERDALE IN CRISIS headlines?

I'm cool with that. I actually thought it might go lower as last night's eviction was really flat with it being indoors and Brian struggling his way through simple links on the autocue as he does. Given there was little if any evidence of lift for eviction nights during BB12, and it was on at the unusual time of 10pm against Carr and Norton, it was unrealistic to expect a rise on the previous few nights.

It aimed now at the TOWIE audience now so any expectation that it is going to signficantly hgher than a show of this type is unrealistic. I suspect that the age/profile of the viewer has changed over the last 3/4 series. It may suit C5 to have the young age group for advertising/cross selling magazines. I see product placement is going to stepped up as well.

Celebrity Big Brother is a totally different show. It has fixed slot in the January established over a no. of years - cold nights folks on reality tv withdrawl from pre-christmas. Minor celebs who do bring a few viewers with them. ie: Frankie (XF) - Denise Welch (Loose Women) etc etc. Not so sure that the summer CBB will ever get the nos. it does in January.

Seems Hollyoaks got just 729,000 viewers last night for the C4 airing (which hadn't aired on E4) - which goes to show just axing either the C4 or E4 airing won't bring the viewers to the other. (The E4 exclusive episode had 550,000 on Thursday).

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Maybe time to get Emma to at least co-host eviction nights?

Seems a strange night to try that though doesn't it on Hollyoaks' weakest night. Maybe that's not entirely representative of what might happen.

I'd imagine as well that many of Hollyoaks' male viewers were preoccupied with the start of Euro 2012.


Yes I did. My next stop is the RPG with that schedule.

2 cracking games though so I'd have hoped the highlights maybe got more than expected.

Big weekend of games with Germany-Portugal, Netherlands-Denmark, Spain - Italy and Ireland-Croatia tomorrow.

Fancy Spain - Italy to pull in highest ratings so far

Now this is one chestnut that seems to be limping along and creates speculation about its future. I wonder if it might be better off on E4, as its demographics are more suited to this channel.

I'm sure all commercial channels have accountants who can tell them whether or not a programme is profitable, and if it is profitable, whether it's profitable enough.

I think it was a similar story though last time they tried it. It'll be interesting to see whether C4 test it out for a week or so exclusively on E4 during the Paralympics or whether they just drop it completely.

I think it should go to E4 permanently as it's not delivering on the main channel. 729,000 would be good for this channel and double what some of their own commissions have achieved.
Also to confirm a rumour, has Shipwrecked been cancelled?

Re-cancelled, I believe it has...

And replaced with what exactly?

All this talk of cancelling Hollyoaks or moving it completely to E4 seems to ignore the huge hole that leaves in Channel 4's schedule. What else do they have that can air 5 days a week for almost 52 weeks of the year? And that doesn't even get into the issue of how important Hollyoaks remains to Channel 4 in terms of reaching certain demographics. Again what else do they have that can reach that audience every week of the year?

And then there's the issue of how, in the grand scheme of things, ditching Brookside was a complete disaster for them. They've never even come close to being able to find something that can play the same role in their schedule that Brookside did. I'd hope they've learnt from that lesson and realise that its much more in their interest to try and fix whatever problems Hollyoaks might have rather than letting it just die a slow painful death.

It is tricky moving a show, but taking HO to E4 could be productive, C4 could try something different in that slot to appeal to a slightly older demo, for a better lead-in to C4 News. Even something like Come Dine With Me would ensure that the E4/C4 audience is not split by similar demo's. CDWM pulls in 1m+ easily for C4 at 17:00, maybe put something else in that slot - which faces Pointless & The Chase.

Seeing as how it rates better than HO, how about double Simpsons at 6pm.

I would be more experimental with some new drama commissions in that slot, though that would be expensive, but I'd like to see C4 trying new dramas and new programmes in the 6.30pm in the event that HO does move, instead of sticking with the safe old CDWM. They could shift HO to 7pm where it does well with first look, and has a different demo to Emmerdale, so should do OK.

Decent start for the football, in line with similar openings at previous tournaments. Particularly healthy peak for the earlier kick-off.

You could actually make the case that the case that yesterdays opener was the weakest match-up of the whole tournament. That's the great thing about the Euro's - with only 16 teams, its stacked with big attractions. Outside of Group A, there's probably only Ukraine-Sweden that doesn't have a major draw for the UK audience. And, of course, that one could have significant implications...

Well I believe a double Simpsons is lazy but effective, before E4/More4 existed C4 only had to fill one channel which it did pretty easily. Now they are struggling to fill 3 channels. Having said that - the 3 channels do pull in a reasonable combined share - especially in the 16-34 demo.

oh please let us not pretend that axing Hollyoaks, will free up enough money to create lots of new drama for the time slot. Like most soaps Hollyoaks benefits from being factory like in its production, same set, same cast, fast turn about, none of this applys to a group of different dramas, who would need there own sets etc (unless its some sort of multiverse series*)

If Hollyoaks was shifted to E4, it would be either The Simpsons, Come Dine With Me (or similar show) in its time slot.

the Hollyoaks cast are all such poor actors, they probably only pay them minimum wage, meaning even less money to be invested in a series of new drama.


* ive always fancied a soap that is based in two time lines, same set of characters at the start, but you see how the timeline changes with a minor change in the first episode.

Neighbours successfully moved from Channel 10 to younger skewed Channel 11 in Australia with success - and as E4 already has Hollyoaks Later and the Liverpool story spinoff that was on the other day, I think it would be a good idea to replace Hollyoaks with double Simpsons. What about a repeat of How I Met Your Mother if you think that would be too lazy?

I think T4 has also reached its natural conclusion, what with the DSO fast coming to an end and everyone being able to view E4. I don't think it makes sense to have these two brands anymore, especially when T4 is so poor these days anyway. it's already moved to E4 on Sundays.

You Cannot Be Serious on ITV1 is a real Marmite of a show - it seems half like it, half don't. Personally I like it very much and feel that with a few minor changes it could become quite good. The only cringeworthy part of the show is the song - if that is dropped the show would be perfect. It is a very culturally relevant show with each show recorded close to transmission and benefits from this greatly. Good commission ITV

I have surprisingly been enjoying Big Brother on Channel 5 - although I feel more of an outsider now and that this show is aimed at the same kind of viewers who watch TOWIE or Made in Chelsea. I do record it now so I can skip through the awful music montages and the like. And the housemates are a bit too glamorous now for my liking. I preferred the realism of the show prior to series 5 - but even then I still loved series 5 and it is my favourite series. all became a bit of a joke after that.

This.

The Simpsons seems to reach more 16-34s than Hollyoaks, and many more total viewers. And E4 would get by fine with its sitcom repeats.

The fans might miss it if it got the axe but it's not immediately obvious how either channel would be badly affected if Hollyoaks came to an end tomorrow?

Neighbours moving from TEN to ELEVEN has been ok for Neighbours and good for ELEVEN, ratings have held up much better than anybody expected, however it has not been good for TEN, who have really struggled to fill the timeslot.

As for T4, the female presenter looks like a giant (is that the term for a female giant? ) next to her male co host in the promos ive seen.

Brookside was dying on its feet. In its glory lesbian days it was pulling in 7 million viewers, then audiences fell to 3.5 million by the end of the nineties when it went Pete Tong- bombs and murders all the time- and then continued sinking to 500,000 when it was killed off. No one at Channel 4 would consider bringing it back as it veered between fantasy and completely boring, episodes with one character ranting about the world, during its last few years on air.
Hollyoaks has never had the same impact Brookie( it also pioneered the soap nickname and the omnibus) had in its glory days when characters like Bobby and Sheila Grant ruled the roost. To a lot of viewers Hollyoaks is mostly known for its good looking but useless actors and little else. I used to love Brookside, but Hollyoaks has always left me cold.