Impressive rating for the Germany match, the Holland match was a good 1m above what I punted for also. Will BBC1 get massacred tonight against a similar 'onslaught'? I would think Countryfile can hold up well, Antiques Roadshow has a default audience as we know, can The Inspector Linley Mysteries repeat stay above 3m?
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Originally Posted by Brekkie:
“BTW, the Premier League have rejected all bids in the first round of bidding for UK rights - so Sky and ESPN obviously far more in touch with the current state of the economy than the Premier League.
http://www.sportcal.com/news/default.aspx”
“BTW, the Premier League have rejected all bids in the first round of bidding for UK rights - so Sky and ESPN obviously far more in touch with the current state of the economy than the Premier League.
http://www.sportcal.com/news/default.aspx”
Which sums up the complete absurdity of football rights in this country.
I honestly don't understand how The FA can reject every bid because they've decided they're too low nor can I understand why Sky and ESPN will inevitably go along with The FA and table higher bids. Am I missing something crucial here because from where I'm sitting The FA actually no power in this bidding process. They can't afford not to sell the TV rights so what exactly is the incentive for Sky and ESPN to go higher?
Originally Posted by Steve Williams:
“Speaking of The Simpsons, by the way, I don't know if anyone's noticed Sky One haven't shown a new episode of that all year, which is remarkable. And hence I haven't watched a minute of Sky One all year.”
“Speaking of The Simpsons, by the way, I don't know if anyone's noticed Sky One haven't shown a new episode of that all year, which is remarkable. And hence I haven't watched a minute of Sky One all year.”
That's weird. Does anyone know why Sky haven't aired any new episodes this year? What are they waiting for exactly?
Originally Posted by AlexiR:
“Which sums up the complete absurdity of football rights in this country.
I honestly don't understand how The FA can reject every bid because they've decided they're too low nor can I understand why Sky and ESPN will inevitably go along with The FA and table higher bids. Am I missing something crucial here because from where I'm sitting The FA actually no power in this bidding process. They can't afford not to sell the TV rights so what exactly is the incentive for Sky and ESPN to go higher? ”
“Which sums up the complete absurdity of football rights in this country.
I honestly don't understand how The FA can reject every bid because they've decided they're too low nor can I understand why Sky and ESPN will inevitably go along with The FA and table higher bids. Am I missing something crucial here because from where I'm sitting The FA actually no power in this bidding process. They can't afford not to sell the TV rights so what exactly is the incentive for Sky and ESPN to go higher? ”
What have the FA got to do with Premier League rights?
I know it's six weeks off, but any bets on the ratings for the opening ceremony of the Olympics? I'm going for 15 million.
Originally Posted by F1Ken:
“From memory the next two seasons were disappointing and then they have improved. My son gets the DVD's and I watch along with him. I hope the improvement continues because I think they will bring it to an end otherwise.
For me The Simpson's belongs on BBC Two because that's were I discovered it in the 90's. Look at BBC2 on BARB back in the 90's and it was rating really really well.
Ken”
“From memory the next two seasons were disappointing and then they have improved. My son gets the DVD's and I watch along with him. I hope the improvement continues because I think they will bring it to an end otherwise.
For me The Simpson's belongs on BBC Two because that's were I discovered it in the 90's. Look at BBC2 on BARB back in the 90's and it was rating really really well.
Ken”
Somewhere around 4-5 million. Whilst true, it was only on twice a week in the late 90s (Monday and Friday) when it went to BBC2 sometime in Spring 1997, and often three times a week (Monday, Thursday and Friday). I think a double-bill on Fridays was also added later on in Jan 1999 (just an estimate), and at one point, the Friday double bills were both rating well over 4m (just looking at March 2001 on BARB). By 2003, it was on 5 times a week and rating well still with 2-3m. The combo with Robot Wars on Friday after Simpsons was brilliant on 2.
Originally Posted by Glenn A:
“I know it's six weeks off, but any bets on the ratings for the opening ceremony of the Olympics? I'm going for 15 million.”
“I know it's six weeks off, but any bets on the ratings for the opening ceremony of the Olympics? I'm going for 15 million.”
As we seen with the Jubilee Concert, there is little point of making predictions six weeks before the sake of predicting...
Originally Posted by AlexiR:
“Which sums up the complete absurdity of football rights in this country.
I honestly don't understand how The FA can reject every bid because they've decided they're too low nor can I understand why Sky and ESPN will inevitably go along with The FA and table higher bids. Am I missing something crucial here because from where I'm sitting The FA actually no power in this bidding process. They can't afford not to sell the TV rights so what exactly is the incentive for Sky and ESPN to go higher?
”
“Which sums up the complete absurdity of football rights in this country.
I honestly don't understand how The FA can reject every bid because they've decided they're too low nor can I understand why Sky and ESPN will inevitably go along with The FA and table higher bids. Am I missing something crucial here because from where I'm sitting The FA actually no power in this bidding process. They can't afford not to sell the TV rights so what exactly is the incentive for Sky and ESPN to go higher?
”
Because if Sky don't have it millions will get rid of their Sports Packages, and get rid of ESPN altogether.
Originally Posted by seansnotmyname@:
“Because if Sky don't have it millions will get rid of their Sports Packages, and get rid of ESPN altogether.”
“Because if Sky don't have it millions will get rid of their Sports Packages, and get rid of ESPN altogether.”
why dont sky resist bidding higher. who is gonna bid higher than sky anyway>
Originally Posted by SamuelW:
“What have the FA got to do with Premier League rights?”
“What have the FA got to do with Premier League rights?
”
Leave me alone. Its been a long day. I know what I meant.
Originally Posted by Andy23:
“The BBC were apparantly saving money by presenting it in Salford but then have paid for two presenting teams, Gary and co in Salford and the ever present Jake and co at the grounds. This decision doesn't seem to be going down very well with viewers.”
“The BBC were apparantly saving money by presenting it in Salford but then have paid for two presenting teams, Gary and co in Salford and the ever present Jake and co at the grounds. This decision doesn't seem to be going down very well with viewers.”
The BBC seems to have lost the plot on live presenting over the last few weeks. Its as if the guy who knew what he was doing has left or hopefully just seconded 100% to planning the Olympics coverage.
Originally Posted by fugitive:
“why dont sky resist bidding higher. who is gonna bid higher than sky anyway>”
“why dont sky resist bidding higher. who is gonna bid higher than sky anyway>”
ESPN, there was talk of Al-Jazeera, would be an excellent opportunity for a worldwide company to get a massive foothold in England, and possibly open up emerging markets all over the world.
Sky being talked of as some sort of benevolent company for Football always amuses me. It was football that turned their company from a multi-million loss-maker to being the massive force they are now. Why would they risk that, and why wouldn't another company want it?
Originally Posted by dan2008:
“The BBC has moved Doctors HD repeat to 5:15PM from Tomorrow (was 4:00PM) i wonder if when the HD Channel finishes and all CBBC programes leave BBC1 could Doctors find a 5:00PM BBC1 repeat?”
“The BBC has moved Doctors HD repeat to 5:15PM from Tomorrow (was 4:00PM) i wonder if when the HD Channel finishes and all CBBC programes leave BBC1 could Doctors find a 5:00PM BBC1 repeat?”
What about Pointless? I agree Doctors should still have an HD repeat somewhere - 5.30 on BBC2 HD perhaps? To add to Neighbours' woes. BBC2 is supposed to be all factual/sport in daytime by then but that would be right at the end of daytime.
Originally Posted by seansnotmyname@:
“Because if Sky don't have it millions will get rid of their Sports Packages, and get rid of ESPN altogether.”
“Because if Sky don't have it millions will get rid of their Sports Packages, and get rid of ESPN altogether.”
Exactly, the Premier League and Sky/ESPN need each other. It's high-stakes poker; who will blink first etc.
Originally Posted by seansnotmyname@:
“Because if Sky don't have it millions will get rid of their Sports Packages, and get rid of ESPN altogether.”
“Because if Sky don't have it millions will get rid of their Sports Packages, and get rid of ESPN altogether.”
Rumours (being flatly denided) that US cable giant Comcast is thinking of making a bid for BSkyB. Sky need to be careful they dont lose their rights (or the better parts of the rights). It comes back to the old question - do you buy the company to get the rights or just buy the rights and lauch them on a new channel?
Originally Posted by seansnotmyname@:
“Because if Sky don't have it millions will get rid of their Sports Packages, and get rid of ESPN altogether.”
“Because if Sky don't have it millions will get rid of their Sports Packages, and get rid of ESPN altogether.”
But that assumes one of two things
1 – Someone is going to outbid Sky (and ESPN).
2 – The league won't sell the TV rights.
The second option is never going to happen. They can't afford to not sell the TV rights so ultimately Sky and ESPN should be the one's dictating how much they're worth not the other way around. The first one is potentially possible and could see some shifts in the rights but it'll be shifts between Sky and ESPN. Its pretty clear at this point that there isn't a magical third bidder that's going to swoop in and take the rights.
Originally Posted by NeilVW:
“What about Pointless? I agree Doctors should still have an HD repeat somewhere - 5.30 on BBC2 HD perhaps? To add to Neighbours' woes. BBC2 is supposed to be all factual/sport in daytime by then but that would be right at the end of daytime.
Exactly, the Premier League and Sky/ESPN need each other. It's high-stakes poker; who will blink first etc.”
“What about Pointless? I agree Doctors should still have an HD repeat somewhere - 5.30 on BBC2 HD perhaps? To add to Neighbours' woes. BBC2 is supposed to be all factual/sport in daytime by then but that would be right at the end of daytime.
Exactly, the Premier League and Sky/ESPN need each other. It's high-stakes poker; who will blink first etc.”
Doctors at 5:00Pm and Pointless at 5:30pm or like to say BBC2 at 5:30Pm (6:30PM BBC2 is a better option i think and should hold up against HO)
Originally Posted by GeorgeS:
“BTW I'm not totally sold on the ITV set up either - nice backdrop but the yobs shouting in the background is annoying. Plus with a shorter time excl ads, 3 pannelists doesnt always work in terms of discussion. Also Roy Keane needs to switch off the auto pilot and get a bit more engaged.”
“BTW I'm not totally sold on the ITV set up either - nice backdrop but the yobs shouting in the background is annoying. Plus with a shorter time excl ads, 3 pannelists doesnt always work in terms of discussion. Also Roy Keane needs to switch off the auto pilot and get a bit more engaged.”
I like the new ITV Sport graphics. Very nice indeed on HD.
Good to hear Jon Champion commentating as well.
Originally Posted by dan2008:
“Doctors at 5:00Pm and Pointless at 5:30pm”
“Doctors at 5:00Pm and Pointless at 5:30pm”
That would mean cutting 15 minutes off Pointless though. Probably achievable by chopping the waffle, but they won't do it as it rates so well.
Originally Posted by NeilVW:
“It was in fact the fourth audition show of TXF last year, on 10 September. (You must be thinking of CBB8 which launched in the same week as TXF.)”
“It was in fact the fourth audition show of TXF last year, on 10 September. (You must be thinking of CBB8 which launched in the same week as TXF.)”
Oops.
Yes, I am indeed getting confused with CBB. I apologise for my mistake.
Originally Posted by seansnotmyname@:
“Sky being talked of as some sort of benevolent company for Football always amuses me. It was football that turned their company from a multi-million loss-maker to being the massive force they are now. Why would they risk that, and why wouldn't another company want it?”
“Sky being talked of as some sort of benevolent company for Football always amuses me. It was football that turned their company from a multi-million loss-maker to being the massive force they are now. Why would they risk that, and why wouldn't another company want it?”
I'm not suggesting that they're benevolent. I'm suggesting a system where the seller is rejecting all bids out of hand to artificially jack up the price of the rights is an insane one and that no broadcaster should be playing along with it. Its not a sustainable model for broadcasters and its not a sustainable model for football.
Originally Posted by GeorgeS:
“Rumours (being flatly denided) that US cable giant Comcast is thinking of making a bid for BSkyB. Sky need to be careful they dont lose their rights (or the better parts of the rights). It comes back to the old question - do you buy the company to get the rights or just buy the rights and lauch them on a new channel?”
“Rumours (being flatly denided) that US cable giant Comcast is thinking of making a bid for BSkyB. Sky need to be careful they dont lose their rights (or the better parts of the rights). It comes back to the old question - do you buy the company to get the rights or just buy the rights and lauch them on a new channel?”
Flatly denied is perhaps an understatement of Comcast's reaction to that story. Regardless of whether they're interested in buying BSkyB I suspect that the not long finished deal to buy NBCU and the issues that's brought up will scupper it happening any time soon. Same with them expanding into the UK in general or dedicating funds to do so. They need to get a better handle on their new domestic business first.
Originally Posted by Dancc:
“Oops.
Yes, I am indeed getting confused with CBB. I apologise for my mistake.”
“Oops.
Yes, I am indeed getting confused with CBB. I apologise for my mistake.”
No worries, I make them all the time
What are your thoughts on tonight's BB scheduling? Awkward isn't it, as the 9pm showing is opposite the football, and on C5+1 it's against Louis Theroux and Family Guy on BBC2 & 3. Sundays are the second-worst nights IIRC, so I think they'd be happy with 1m inc +1.
Originally Posted by NeilVW:
“That would mean cutting 15 minutes off Pointless though. Probably achievable by chopping the waffle, but they won't do it as it rates so well.”
“That would mean cutting 15 minutes off Pointless though. Probably achievable by chopping the waffle, but they won't do it as it rates so well.”
I dunno i don't watch it because the whole show seems a little pointless to me
But could they not fit it into a 35min slot and then start the news right after?
Originally Posted by NeilVW:
“No worries, I make them all the time What are your thoughts on tonight's BB scheduling? Awkward isn't it, as the 9pm showing is opposite the football, and on C5+1 it's against Louis Theroux and Family Guy on BBC2 & 3. Sundays are the second-worst nights IIRC, so I think they'd be happy with 1m inc +1.”
“No worries, I make them all the time
What are your thoughts on tonight's BB scheduling? Awkward isn't it, as the 9pm showing is opposite the football, and on C5+1 it's against Louis Theroux and Family Guy on BBC2 & 3. Sundays are the second-worst nights IIRC, so I think they'd be happy with 1m inc +1.”
I'm more worried about Once Upon a Time, which struggled somewhat in the overnights last Sunday, although it has been timeshifting well. It would be nice if both shows could come in above a million as a decent alternative to the football.
Originally Posted by rzt:
“Yikes, almost a record low! ITV1's lowest ever all-day share was 7.6% (inc +1) on Sunday 14th August. I think there's three dates soon which could have ITV1 recording its worst ever all-day share: next Saturday, the following Saturday or Sunday 1st July.”
“Yikes, almost a record low! ITV1's lowest ever all-day share was 7.6% (inc +1) on Sunday 14th August. I think there's three dates soon which could have ITV1 recording its worst ever all-day share: next Saturday, the following Saturday or Sunday 1st July.”
The tables should be more than reversed tonight. We know how well Ireland matches rate, so that 9.3m peak last night should be surpassed with ease, particularly with it being Sunday and the weather I think poor again.
Inspector Lynley rpt unlikely to muster more than 2m I expect.
Originally Posted by fugitive:
“Its like Christmas Day everyday on the Ratings Thread
”
“Its like Christmas Day everyday on the Ratings Thread
”
Some of our most favourite ITVistas routinely used to celebrate Christmas Day around this time of year, so it is fitting...
Originally Posted by GeorgeS:
“The BBC seems to have lost the plot on live presenting over the last few weeks. Its as if the guy who knew what he was doing has left or hopefully just seconded 100% to planning the Olympics coverage.”
“The BBC seems to have lost the plot on live presenting over the last few weeks. Its as if the guy who knew what he was doing has left or hopefully just seconded 100% to planning the Olympics coverage.”
I'd be with you on that were I not right now watching Chiles holding court with Strachan and Martinez (and no English subtitles...)
Originally Posted by GeorgeS:
“Rumours (being flatly denided) that US cable giant Comcast is thinking of making a bid for BSkyB. Sky need to be careful they dont lose their rights (or the better parts of the rights). It comes back to the old question - do you buy the company to get the rights or just buy the rights and lauch them on a new channel?”
“Rumours (being flatly denided) that US cable giant Comcast is thinking of making a bid for BSkyB. Sky need to be careful they dont lose their rights (or the better parts of the rights). It comes back to the old question - do you buy the company to get the rights or just buy the rights and lauch them on a new channel?”
Also a rumour today that Al Jazeera might bid for BSkyB thus solving their problems with any football rights in the UK.
Originally Posted by dan2008:
“I dunno i don't watch it because the whole show seems a little pointless to me But could they not fit it into a 35min slot and then start the news right after?”
“I dunno i don't watch it because the whole show seems a little pointless to me
But could they not fit it into a 35min slot and then start the news right after?”
Ahh you should, it's great! Bit too much filler chat at the start, but the banter is good and it's quite interesting (to coin a phrase). They won't delay the news by 5 minutes for it though (if that's what you're suggesting?
). Another consideration is that 45-minute runtimes are ideal for selling to Challenge as they convert into a neat one-hour slot with ads.EDIT: Although I suppose Endemol would do the selling, and the BBC get nothing for such sales? In which case the BBC wouldn't have that reason for keeping it at 45 mins.
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