7.6 per cent for ITV1, is this is a new record low for them? They really need to sort out their summer schedule as for decades they used to trounce BBC 1 in the summer. It is a shame the American miniseries that they were so keen on in the past seem to have died out.
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Originally Posted by Glenn A:
“7.6 per cent for ITV1, is this is a new record low for them? They really need to sort out their summer schedule as for decades they used to trounce BBC 1 in the summer. It is a shame the American miniseries that they were so keen on in the past seem to have died out.”
“7.6 per cent for ITV1, is this is a new record low for them? They really need to sort out their summer schedule as for decades they used to trounce BBC 1 in the summer. It is a shame the American miniseries that they were so keen on in the past seem to have died out.”
But it's no longer 1970. ITV is no longer the only commercial broadcaster.; they have constraints which didn't exist back in the days you keep going back to - TV advertising is decreasing and the market itself is increasing. Even if the American miniseries were still alive and kicking they wouldn't bring in much of an audience as the population as a whole no longer view them as must see.
ITV1's share was so low because of the football coverage on BBC One and the tennis coverage (which you have praised) performing badly. I think they need to be more sensible with scheduling at times, maybe aiming for an undesirable demographic just to get their raw figures up when required, but they're never going to be the dominant network they once were.
Originally Posted by NeilVW:
“Ahh you should, it's great! Bit too much filler chat at the start, but the banter is good and it's quite interesting (to coin a phrase). They won't delay the news by 5 minutes for it though (if that's what you're suggesting?
). Another consideration is that 45-minute runtimes are ideal for selling to Challenge as they convert into a neat one-hour slot with ads.
EDIT: Although I suppose Endemol would do the selling, and the BBC get nothing for such sales? In which case the BBC wouldn't have that reason for keeping it at 45 mins.”
“Ahh you should, it's great! Bit too much filler chat at the start, but the banter is good and it's quite interesting (to coin a phrase). They won't delay the news by 5 minutes for it though (if that's what you're suggesting?
). Another consideration is that 45-minute runtimes are ideal for selling to Challenge as they convert into a neat one-hour slot with ads.EDIT: Although I suppose Endemol would do the selling, and the BBC get nothing for such sales? In which case the BBC wouldn't have that reason for keeping it at 45 mins.”
No as the News can start as soon as Pointless finishes and seeing as The One show always starts and finishes early i don't think it would affect things much. They could drop the pointless News roundup at 7:57.
I have seen the final 5 mins or so but i just don't get it
Much prefer the Weakiest Link
Originally Posted by Fudd:
“But it's no longer 1970. ITV is no longer the only commercial broadcaster.; they have constraints which didn't exist back in the days you keep going back to - TV advertising is decreasing and the market itself is increasing. Even if the American miniseries were still alive and kicking they wouldn't bring in much of an audience as the population as a whole no longer view them as must see.
ITV1's share was so low because of the football coverage on BBC One and the tennis coverage (which you have praised) performing badly. I think they need to be more sensible with scheduling at times, maybe aiming for an undesirable demographic just to get their raw figures up when required, but they're never going to be the dominant network they once were.”
“But it's no longer 1970. ITV is no longer the only commercial broadcaster.; they have constraints which didn't exist back in the days you keep going back to - TV advertising is decreasing and the market itself is increasing. Even if the American miniseries were still alive and kicking they wouldn't bring in much of an audience as the population as a whole no longer view them as must see.
ITV1's share was so low because of the football coverage on BBC One and the tennis coverage (which you have praised) performing badly. I think they need to be more sensible with scheduling at times, maybe aiming for an undesirable demographic just to get their raw figures up when required, but they're never going to be the dominant network they once were.”
Even a TV Cream junkie like me has to accept ITV is no longer the people's channel and really its audience share has been in decline since Channel 4 launched. Even though the network is still more popular in its heartlands, there is no way ITV1 can be the dominant force in British television as people's tastes have changed and large parts of the population don't like its programming. However, the network should still be in double figures and maybe a decent film could have saved the night.
However, you are right, I am defending ITV for buying up a sport they've rarely bothered with and would love for them to expand their sportfolio.
I could add ITV's audience share peaked at 75 per cent in 1959, then as the BBC launched a fightback in the early sixties, it fell to around 50 per cent and stayed at this level until the mid eighties when a long, slow decline set in with the rise of satellite and digital channels.
Originally Posted by Glenn A:
“I could add ITV's audience share peaked at 75 per cent in 1959, then as the BBC launched a fightback in the early sixties, it fell to around 50 per cent and stayed at this level until the mid eighties when a long, slow decline set in with the rise of satellite and digital channels.”
“I could add ITV's audience share peaked at 75 per cent in 1959, then as the BBC launched a fightback in the early sixties, it fell to around 50 per cent and stayed at this level until the mid eighties when a long, slow decline set in with the rise of satellite and digital channels.”
Glenn A, what are your thoughts about Love Island, WAGS Boutique and Ladette to Lady? Do you think shows like these have contributed to Itv's decline?
ITV's coverage has been pretty good so far for the football, with a few exceptions - amongst them the awful Craig Burley. But overall it certainly feels stronger than their usual effort.
Well ITV will not be losing any sleep over picking Spain v Italy. The mens final will now resume tomorrow at 11.45am on ITV4.
Portugal's loss to Germany attracted over 3 million viewers in Portugal on RTP1, and around a 68% share. The population of Portugal is around 10 million, so that's a big rating.
Originally Posted by Glenn A:
“7.6 per cent for ITV1, is this is a new record low for them?”
“7.6 per cent for ITV1, is this is a new record low for them?”
Not quite that bad, but close:
Originally Posted by NeilVW:
“All-day shares for individuals:
BBC 1: 26.3%
ITV1 inc +1: 7.7% [just 5.1% share among 16-34s, behind C4's 6.2%, not too far ahead of C5's 3.4%]
Source: C4 Sales”
“All-day shares for individuals:
BBC 1: 26.3%
ITV1 inc +1: 7.7%
[just 5.1% share among 16-34s, behind C4's 6.2%, not too far ahead of C5's 3.4%]Source: C4 Sales”
Originally Posted by rzt:
“Yikes, almost a record low! ITV1's lowest ever all-day share was 7.6% (inc +1) on Sunday 14th August. I think there's three dates soon which could have ITV1 recording its worst ever all-day share: next Saturday, the following Saturday or Sunday 1st July.”
“Yikes, almost a record low! ITV1's lowest ever all-day share was 7.6% (inc +1) on Sunday 14th August. I think there's three dates soon which could have ITV1 recording its worst ever all-day share: next Saturday, the following Saturday or Sunday 1st July.”
Originally Posted by dan2008:
“No as the News can start as soon as Pointless finishes and seeing as The One show always starts and finishes early i don't think it would affect things much. They could drop the pointless News roundup at 7:57.”
“No as the News can start as soon as Pointless finishes and seeing as The One show always starts and finishes early i don't think it would affect things much. They could drop the pointless News roundup at 7:57.”
I think they will always have the news dead on the hour barring exceptional circumstances. Although they no longer have the beloved BBC1 clock so who would know?
Originally Posted by dan2008:
“I have seen the final 5 mins or so but i just don't get it
Much prefer the Weakiest Link”
“I have seen the final 5 mins or so but i just don't get it
Much prefer the Weakiest Link”
They do have Eastenders questions sometimes, you know
Remember when The Weakest Link was riding high, holding its own with then-popular Millionaire and Anne jetting off to the States to present a version on NBC? It was still the first choice to replace Neighbours in the pre-6pm slot when the soap switched to C5 in 2008. I think over-exposure burned it out and it's now buried in a lunchtime slot on BBC2. Each to his own, but it's Alexander and Richard all the way for me...
Is anyone else surprised Spain v Italy was the afternoon match while Ireland v Croatia is the evening match? I thought the broadcasters would have wanted it the other way round.
I imagine the broadcasters would've preferred France v England to be aired in primetime but I suppose Ukraine got the primetime slot as hosts.
I imagine the broadcasters would've preferred France v England to be aired in primetime but I suppose Ukraine got the primetime slot as hosts.
Originally Posted by dan2008:
“The BBC has moved Doctors HD repeat to 5:15PM from Tomorrow (was 4:00PM) i wonder if when the HD Channel finishes and all CBBC programes leave BBC1 could Doctors find a 5:00PM BBC1 repeat?”
“The BBC has moved Doctors HD repeat to 5:15PM from Tomorrow (was 4:00PM) i wonder if when the HD Channel finishes and all CBBC programes leave BBC1 could Doctors find a 5:00PM BBC1 repeat?”
Doctors has moved to 5.15 so that BBC HD can simulcast BBC2's coverage of Queen's Tennis (1.30 - 5.15)
And BBC1 are not going to cut the running time of Pointless just so they can start Doctors at 5pm. They might possibly move Doctors to 4pm (with some 45 minute programme at 4.30pm) or 4.45pm.
In past tourneys, have Ireland matches got much more ratings than France matches? Both countries are a similar kind of distance away from the UK.
Originally Posted by Glenn A:
“7.6 per cent for ITV1, is this is a new record low for them? They really need to sort out their summer schedule as for decades they used to trounce BBC 1 in the summer. It is a shame the American miniseries that they were so keen on in the past seem to have died out.”
“7.6 per cent for ITV1, is this is a new record low for them? They really need to sort out their summer schedule as for decades they used to trounce BBC 1 in the summer. It is a shame the American miniseries that they were so keen on in the past seem to have died out.”
It's nothing to do with 'sorting out their summer schedule'
BBC1 had two football matches back to back, ITV filled with an episode of Poirot.
Comparing one day with the whole of the 70s and 80s is quite frankly ridiculous.
What are your thoughts on the football doing well, when you dislike the sport and were moaning about it the other day?
Originally Posted by Fudd:
“Is anyone else surprised Spain v Italy was the afternoon match while Ireland v Croatia is the evening match? I thought the broadcasters would have wanted it the other way round.
I imagine the broadcasters would've preferred France v England to be aired in primetime but I suppose Ukraine got the primetime slot as hosts.”
“Is anyone else surprised Spain v Italy was the afternoon match while Ireland v Croatia is the evening match? I thought the broadcasters would have wanted it the other way round.
I imagine the broadcasters would've preferred France v England to be aired in primetime but I suppose Ukraine got the primetime slot as hosts.”
In France, Italy and Spain the early matches kick off at 6pm local time.
And I am confident that England v France will be easily the second highest rated programme this week behind England v Sweden despite the 5pm kick-off.
I notice that ITV's programme runs until 7.30 tomorrow overlapping with BBC1's MOTD by 30 minutes. Wonder how that will affect the two programmes' average ratings.
Edit: Wonder how big the England-France ratings will be on ITV1+1. All those people who arrive home between 5pm and 6pm.
Originally Posted by SamuelW:
“In past tourneys, have Ireland matches got much more ratings than France matches? Both countries are a similar kind of distance away from the UK.”
“In past tourneys, have Ireland matches got much more ratings than France matches? Both countries are a similar kind of distance away from the UK.”
History counts for more than geography when it comes to France I think!
Originally Posted by Fudd:
“Is anyone else surprised Spain v Italy was the afternoon match while Ireland v Croatia is the evening match? I thought the broadcasters would have wanted it the other way round.”
“Is anyone else surprised Spain v Italy was the afternoon match while Ireland v Croatia is the evening match? I thought the broadcasters would have wanted it the other way round.”
Yes, I was quite surprised that match wasn't switched to 7.45pm, though I guess the average over the two games might be higher this way around.
Originally Posted by iaindb:
“In France, Italy and Spain the early matches kick off at 6pm local time.”
“In France, Italy and Spain the early matches kick off at 6pm local time.”
Although their primetime TV doesn't kick off until about 9pm.
Originally Posted by iaindb:
“I notice that ITV's programme runs until 7.30 tomorrow overlapping with BBC1's MOTD by 30 minutes. Wonder how that will affect the two programmes' average ratings.”
“I notice that ITV's programme runs until 7.30 tomorrow overlapping with BBC1's MOTD by 30 minutes. Wonder how that will affect the two programmes' average ratings.”
If England win, I expect the post-match analysis seriously to dent BBC1's build-up to Ukraine v Sweden (which is hardly top-drawer anyway), as viewers will want to revisit the triumph. Less so if England lose and it's more of a post-mortem.
Originally Posted by iaindb:
“ They might possibly move Doctors to 4pm...”
“ They might possibly move Doctors to 4pm...”
Yes that makes sense as it's usually on at 4pm on BBC HD. I wonder if two showings within a couple of hours is too much for the main channel, though. Perhaps BBC2 would be better.
Originally Posted by NeilVW:
“If England win, I expect the post-match analysis seriously to dent BBC1's build-up to Ukraine v Sweden (which is hardly top-drawer anyway), as viewers will want to revisit the triumph. Less so if England lose and it's more of a post-mortem.”
“If England win, I expect the post-match analysis seriously to dent BBC1's build-up to Ukraine v Sweden (which is hardly top-drawer anyway), as viewers will want to revisit the triumph. Less so if England lose and it's more of a post-mortem.”
Or, alternatively, viewers might want to switch to BBC1 to see their highlights and hear their pundits' views on the game.
Originally Posted by NeilVW:
“Yes that makes sense as it's usually on at 4pm on BBC HD. I wonder if two showings within a couple of hours is too much for the main channel, though. Perhaps BBC2 would be better.”
“Yes that makes sense as it's usually on at 4pm on BBC HD. I wonder if two showings within a couple of hours is too much for the main channel, though. Perhaps BBC2 would be better.”
I actually meant BBC1 moving Doctors from 1.45 to 4pm to try and boost the ratings for what must be one of their more expensive daytime programmes just by virtue of being a drama.
That assumes though, and I don't know if that would be correct, there's more viewers around at 4pm than there is at 2pm.
Originally Posted by iaindb:
“Or, alternatively, viewers might want to switch to BBC1 to see their highlights and hear their pundits' views on the game.”
“Or, alternatively, viewers might want to switch to BBC1 to see their highlights and hear their pundits' views on the game.”
Good point. I noticed that Gary Lineker was emphasising last night that the England highlights would be featured from 7pm tomorrow.
Originally Posted by iaindb:
“I actually meant BBC1 moving Doctors from 1.45 to 4pm to try and boost the ratings for what must be one of their more expensive daytime programmes just by virtue of being a drama.
That assumes though, and I don't know if that would be correct, there's more viewers around at 4pm than there is at 2pm.”
“I actually meant BBC1 moving Doctors from 1.45 to 4pm to try and boost the ratings for what must be one of their more expensive daytime programmes just by virtue of being a drama.
That assumes though, and I don't know if that would be correct, there's more viewers around at 4pm than there is at 2pm.”
There would be more viewers available at 4pm (IIRC), but I don't think messing around with soap timings is a good idea unless there is a valid reason. I would say keeping the existing 1.45pm showing but also having a teatime repeat on BBC2/2HD makes the most sense. The BBC HD repeat at 4pm gets less than 100k currently, so combined ratings would be sure to increase.
Originally Posted by iaindb:
“Doctors has moved to 5.15 so that BBC HD can simulcast BBC2's coverage of Queen's Tennis (1.30 - 5.15)
And BBC1 are not going to cut the running time of Pointless just so they can start Doctors at 5pm. They might possibly move Doctors to 4pm (with some 45 minute programme at 4.30pm) or 4.45pm.”
“Doctors has moved to 5.15 so that BBC HD can simulcast BBC2's coverage of Queen's Tennis (1.30 - 5.15)
And BBC1 are not going to cut the running time of Pointless just so they can start Doctors at 5pm. They might possibly move Doctors to 4pm (with some 45 minute programme at 4.30pm) or 4.45pm.”
That's just no good.I order them to move it for Doctors
The attempts to resuscitate the "Red or Black?" format
http://www.digitalspy.co.uk/tv/news/...tte-wheel.html
http://www.digitalspy.co.uk/tv/news/...tte-wheel.html
they could expand pointless to 1 hour, and have something like this
16:30 - Pointless
17:30 - Doctors
making Doctors 45 minutes, whilst a better solution is a more expensive solution.
Family Guy should do well tonight with BBC 3 airing both "Back to the Pilot" and the pilot together.
16:30 - Pointless
17:30 - Doctors
making Doctors 45 minutes, whilst a better solution is a more expensive solution.
Family Guy should do well tonight with BBC 3 airing both "Back to the Pilot" and the pilot together.
Hope we get Sky Sports F1's live rating in the morning, brilliant race, which I won't spoil the result of.
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