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Old 12-06-2012, 11:35
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The Walking Dead doubled on last week didn't it? And anyone know what TBBT got at 6.30 without +1? I knew it was inevitable that it would eventually start to outrate Hollyoaks
And that BBT episode was a repeat. The new episodes were getting 1.6m+ outrating Hollyoaks by double sometimes.
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Old 12-06-2012, 11:36
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According to ariusuk on the Broadcasting forums, the BBC got first pick of match for Euro 2012 and will do so for World Cup 2018 while ITV get first pick of World Cup 2014 and Euro 2016. Then each broadcaster takes turns to select what matches they want to show.

If England get through to the Quarter Final stages in the next two tournaments, it's likely ITV will be able to show three England games in each tournament (especially with the way the Euro 2016 format is). The BBC will have better options for World Cup 2018.
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Old 12-06-2012, 11:39
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The Voice UK is most successful new entertainment series launch on BBC One in over a decade
BBC One’s much talked about first series of The Voice UK becomes BBC One’s biggest new entertainment series on record with a consolidated series average of 9.2million/38.5% share. The final saw powerhouse Leanne Mitchell crowned the 2012 winner, coached by Sir Tom Jones and winning a recording contract with Universal.

Danny Cohen, Controller, BBC One, says: “The Voice UK has broken all records for a new entertainment show on the BBC. I'm really proud of the coaches, artists and producers who have achieved this. It's great for BBC viewers that we have launched a new Saturday night entertainment show that has had such a big impact and connects so well with BBC values. There are also inevitably things you learn in the first series of a big new show, and we are confident that The Voice UK will return even stronger next year."

The artists were selected, mentored, and trained by four of the most successful figures in the music industry: Jessie J, will.i.am, Danny O’Donoghue and Sir Tom Jones. After selecting their favourite artists at the blind auditions, the coaches developed them through the remaining stages until one artist was named 'The Voice UK 2012'.

Made by Wall to Wall Television, commissioned by Danny Cohen and Mark Linsey, the second series will return to BBC One next year. The Voice was created and first produced in Holland by media entrepreneur John de Mol’s company Talpa.

Leanne Klein, Creative Director, Wall to Wall Television, says: “Wall to Wall is very proud to have produced such a successful debut series. The Voice is a global phenomenon and the UK version is undoubtedly one of the very best. We look forward to working with Talpa and the BBC on the second series, using what we've learnt to make it even bigger and better for 2013.”

Notes to Editors
The Voice UK is the biggest new entertainment series on BBC One under the current measuring system (since records began in 2001). The series average in overnights is 9.2million/38.5% share with the Sunday night results show averaging 6.9million/29.9%. Across all episodes including results The Voice UK averaged 8.9m/36.3%.
I'm not sure where they get the 8.9/9.2m consolidated average from? According to the BARB officials, it had a series average of 8.54m.
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Old 12-06-2012, 11:43
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Top 5 Digital Channels (Mon):

1. ITV3: 3.0%
2. ITV2: 2.6%
3. E4: 2.0%
4. 5USA: 1.5%
5. More4/Film4/ITV4: 1.3%

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Old 12-06-2012, 11:43
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According to ariusuk on the Broadcasting forums, the BBC got first pick of match for Euro 2012 and will do so for World Cup 2018 while ITV get first pick of World Cup 2014 and Euro 2016. Then each broadcaster takes turns to select what matches they want to show.

If England get through to the Quarter Final stages in the next two tournaments, it's likely ITV will be able to show three England games in each tournament (especially with the way the Euro 2016 format is). The BBC will have better options for World Cup 2018.
I think if England reach the Quarter Finals of Euro 2012 that's a BBC match. The BBC also have both Semi Finals. The way I remember it is the BBC were more optimistic with their picks and assumed England would get past the group stages.
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Old 12-06-2012, 11:49
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I'm not sure where they get the 8.9/9.2m consolidated average from? According to the BARB officials, it had a series average of 8.54m.
Must include the Sunday BBC Three repeat.
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Old 12-06-2012, 11:51
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I think if England reach the Quarter Finals of Euro 2012 that's a BBC match. The BBC also have both Semi Finals. The way I remember it is the BBC were more optimistic with their picks and assumed England would get past the group stages.
Yeah, ITV in recent years have gone for two group games as it guarantees advertising revenue, while opting for Quarter Final/Round of 16 pick 1 can be a bit risky if England don't go through. As they have first pick next tournament (apparently), I guess they could still have two group games and a potential QF match if the picks go something like this:

1. ITV- England Group game (primetime)
2. BBC- England Group game
3. ITV- England Group game
4. BBC- Round of 16 [1st pick]
5. ITV- Quarter Final [1st pick]
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Old 12-06-2012, 13:11
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Demographic Information for BBC1 and ITV1 for Monday 4th to Sunday 11th June: http://i47.tinypic.com/261mg76.jpg

Top programmes for the week among 18-49 year olds from that list (excludes soaps and news) were:

1. The Diamond Jubilee Concert: 20.0
2. MOTD Live: Germany v Portugal: 13.1
3. Euro 2012 Live: Ireland v Croatia: 11.8
4. Euro 2012 Live: Spain v Italy: 10.0
5. MOTD Live: Netherlands v Denmark: 9.5
6. Euro 2012 Live: Russia v Czech Republic: 7.4
7. DIY SOS: 7.2
8. MOTD Live: Poland v Greece: 6.9
9. Have I Got News For You: 6.1
10. The Diamond Jubilee (Tue): 6.0

Note: Each number indicates the % of the UK 18-49 population. For e.g. 20.0% of 18-49s in the UK watched The Diamond Jubilee Concert

Incidentally, Big Brother Launch had TVRs of: 18-49: 5.9 (62% skew), 16-34: 5.7 (34% skew), ABC1: 3.9 (40% skew), HWWC: 8.2 (21% skew), female:male (63%:37%)
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Old 12-06-2012, 13:36
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Was expecting Neighbours to fall below 400k last night so to get over 800k is quite a surprise!
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Old 12-06-2012, 14:15
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Was expecting Neighbours to fall below 400k last night so to get over 800k is quite a surprise!
Me too. Clearly there's still a problem there though, even if it did hold up surprisingly well last night. I think schedule changes are needed for the aussie soaps, but I'd wait until after H&A's summer break as it'd be pointless trying to implement anything now. I also think they'd be mad not to try and get one of the Aussie soap stars into the Celebrity Big Brother house this August. It's an obvious way to increase their profile.
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Old 12-06-2012, 14:15
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I think the build up was too much. And it clearly showed. Surely they will do fine with a 30 mins before the match and not a whole hour. That way, the entire average would have been around 11m, not 9m. But for a very large slot, 9m+ is very healthy. If England gets to quarters I would predict around a 17m match average and 22m peak.

Also I expected the later match to do better than it did as I would have thought England fans would want to know what they were up against.
It's better for ITV to do a long build up. More time to build the audience of casual viewers and more time for ads.
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Old 12-06-2012, 14:24
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Any ratings for Crimewatch Roadshow?

Incidentally, anyone looking to do more BBC bashing might have more ammunition from this morning when the above show seemed to me to offer a somewhat misleading presentation of one item - police controlling a key football game, Blackburn v Wigan.

They appeared to say that this was on the final weekend of the season. In fact it was the week before - both sides played one further game after it - and it had actually occurred on a Monday night.
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Old 12-06-2012, 14:44
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Apparently, there'd been an accounting cock-up, so BBC1 was left very short of new programmes in 1993.

Even the autumn 1993 season had its problems. There were films on Fridays at 9.30pm, instead of drama. And they showed b/w Doctor Who episodes on 7.30pm on Fridays. And there were more films from 7-9pm on Wednesdays.
That's right, this is in Will Wyatt's book, they ended up Ł38 million short, partly due to a cock-up where they added twenty million quid of the BBC1 budget on education resources but they forgot to take it out of the resources budget so it was down twice. I remember one of the results of this economy drive was that 100%, the youth show with Trevor and Simon, had its second series cancelled at the last minute.

Summer 1993 was dreadful, they were repeating The House of Eliot on Saturday nights and apparently it was getting under two million viewers (it says in Fuzzy Monsters, although I question whether anything could go that low in 1993). It was good for me though because I remember the Beeb repeating a load of alternative comedy shows that summer, like Fry and Laurie and the first series of Alas Smith and Jones from ten years before, and it was only a few years after I'd been allowed to stay up late so most of them were new to me.

Only one of the Who repeats was in black and white, because the colour version of the episode had been wiped, But I remember in the first issue of SFX (the only issue I ever bought) in 1995, they did a feature about all that had happened to Doctor Who since it ended in 1989, and the chances of it coming back, and the 1993 repeats were apparently of pivotal importance, I remember them saying "Good news - Alan Yentob moves from BBC2 to BBC1 and so do the Who repeats!" in the assumption he was a fan.

A couple of other BBC flops were Westbeach, which was a Casualty replacement shown in Summer 1993, and Seaforth which I think was shown on Sundays in Autumn '94 and was mooted for a second series which didn't materialise (http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk...h-1390558.html).
In Will Wyatt's book (I'll quote the whole of this book in due course), it points out that Westbeach was actually the other soap that was being considered with Eldorado, and initially they all preferred Westbeach, before the pedigree of Eldorado and the ability to flog it abroad convinced them otherwise. But as you say, Westbeach eventually resurfaced as a conventional hour-long drama.

Seaforth is also in the book, they had high hopes for it and Alan Yentob really liked it, he watched the first episode and told everyone it was going to be a smash hit, but it didn't rate so well and was too expensive so it was finally axed. That Independent story was on the front page and Wyatt says it comes to something when the decision not to recommission a drama series becomes front page news. I remember the Radio Times doing a piece around th time speculating about whether it would return and discussing which dramas had and hadn't been axed, I remember it announced Grushko was never coming back (surely the archetypal miserable BBC1 early nineties drama, a police series set in Russia).

One more - No Bananas from 1996, which had an excellent cast including Alison Steadman and Stephanie Beacham but just didn't catch on.
Not helped by it being flung from pillar to post during Euro 96, a mistake they repeated two years ater with Berkeley Square, the nanny drama that was shoved all over the place, 8pm one week, 10pm the next, on a Saturday one week, proving it was just ridiculous to schedule a twelve-part serial during a World Cup.

Yes - Specials was dire. It was Autumn 1991
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MkZI1G3zTi4
I used to watch quite a lot of Specials because it was before Points of View. I remember the credit every week in Radio Times rather portentiously stating "Created, Written, Produced and Directed by Brian Degas and Harry Robertson". Perhaps if someone else had been involved, it might not have been so rubbish. I doubt the Beeb thought much of it though as it was flung out on Wednesdays at eight, their worst slot on their worst night, and when they showed football one week it was dumped at 10.30.

All old, that, wasn't it?
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Old 12-06-2012, 16:40
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Nice to see Revenge recover...It is actually quite a decent new US drama
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Old 12-06-2012, 16:43
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Me too. Clearly there's still a problem there though, even if it did hold up surprisingly well last night. I think schedule changes are needed for the aussie soaps, but I'd wait until after H&A's summer break as it'd be pointless trying to implement anything now. I also think they'd be mad not to try and get one of the Aussie soap stars into the Celebrity Big Brother house this August. It's an obvious way to increase their profile.

I'm not sure what they can do... Neighbours is obviously being hurt by the ITV/BBC gameshows, a possible solution would be to move it to 6.30 where i'd imagine it could easily destroy Hollyoaks, but i would imagine there's more cause to try and salvage H&A as that rates better in Oz and has a more secure future... That or the afternoon noon eps should be the new ones with the afternoons being repeats and with DSO pretty much done is there any need for H&A FC on 5*? You have essentially 500k watching that...200k watching the next afternoon and is it any wonder why the 6pm eps dont reach a million?
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Old 12-06-2012, 16:48
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Apparently, there'd been an accounting cock-up, so BBC1 was left very short of new programmes in 1993. As well as repeating 1992 sitcoms, a lot of 1990 and 1991 sitcoms which had been given their traditional second showings in 1992, were repeated again in 1993, which was unusual. And, these sitcom repeats began in mid-February, which was several weeks earlier than usual.

Even the autumn 1993 season had its problems. There were films on Fridays at 9.30pm, instead of drama. And they showed b/w Doctor Who episodes on 7.30pm on Fridays. And there were more films from 7-9pm on Wednesdays.
But by Christmas 1993, BBC1 seemed to trounce ITV badly - I seem to remember ITV having a terrible Xmas that year.
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Old 12-06-2012, 16:48
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I was hoping to see The Walking Dead go over 1 million this week with a decent lead in...

I doubt channel 5 will bother picking up season 3 unless they already have a multi season deal.
They must be hugely disappointed with how its preforming this year compared to last.
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Old 12-06-2012, 16:55
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anything is better than Adrian Chiles...I think ITV1 must have been on the happy pills when they hired him..He just comes across as a miserable toad..Steve Ryder was much better on ITV1's matches.
I have no interest in football, but you have to admit a peak of 15.26 million is excellent for ITV and will have had excellent demos. I think people really watch for the game and probably go for a cup of tea when the pundits are talking.
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Old 12-06-2012, 16:59
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I was hoping to see The Walking Dead go over 1 million this week with a decent lead in...

I doubt channel 5 will bother picking up season 3 unless they already have a multi season deal.
They must be hugely disappointed with how its preforming this year compared to last.
Channel5 should put Walking Dead on 5USA, it would become one of the channels top shows each week.
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Old 12-06-2012, 17:04
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I'm not sure what they can do... Neighbours is obviously being hurt by the ITV/BBC gameshows, a possible solution would be to move it to 6.30 where i'd imagine it could easily destroy Hollyoaks, but i would imagine there's more cause to try and salvage H&A as that rates better in Oz and has a more secure future... That or the afternoon noon eps should be the new ones with the afternoons being repeats and with DSO pretty much done is there any need for H&A FC on 5*? You have essentially 500k watching that...200k watching the next afternoon and is it any wonder why the 6pm eps dont reach a million?
What about this?

Neighbours: 1.45pm (New), 6pm (Repeat), 7.30pm (5* Repeat)
Home & Away: 5.30pm (New), 7pm (5* Repeat)

It's a bit risky but I think ratings for both shows would rise above 1m in the above scenario for their main teatime showings. Personally I prefer H&A but it's fair to say it can no longer sustain three high-profile slots, whilst Neighbours has the highest ratings potential of the two so deserves the better teatime slot away from the gameshows

I would consider buying in a new family-friendly import for 5* at 6.30pm to minimise the effect it has on the channel. With 5 News at 6.30 rating badly, it should be no sweat directing some of the core C5 viewers to 5* with the right content here. It doesn't have to be a first-look H&A. Whilst viewers who are used to watching H&A at 6.30pm could still do so on C5+1.
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Old 12-06-2012, 17:16
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Official Ratings
Diamond Jubilee Concert (19:30, Monday) - 15.32m (54.5%)
BBC News (22:50, Monday) - 10.74m (48.6%)

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Old 12-06-2012, 17:19
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Most Watched Shows of 2012 [Top 30 - Officials]
01 - 15.32m - THE DIAMOND JUBILEE CONCERT (04/06/12) - BBC1/HD
02 - 12.57m - BRITAIN'S GOT TALENT (14/04/12) - ITV1/HD
03 - 12.20m - CORONATION STREET (23/01/12) - ITV1/HD
04 - 11.99m - THE VOICE UK (14/04/12) - BBC1/HD
05 - 11.41m - CALL THE MIDWIFE (19/02/12) - BBC1/HD

06 - 10.98m - EASTENDERS (02/01/12) - BBC1/HD
07 - 10.74m - BBC NEWS (04/06/12) - BBC1/HD
08 - 10.66m - SHERLOCK (01/01/12) - BBC1/HD
09 - 10.47m - THE DIAMOND JUBILEE THAMES PAGEANT (03/06/12) - BBC1/HD
10 - 9.29m - DANCING ON ICE (08/01/12) - ITV1/HD

11 - 9.11m - EMMERDALE (05/01/12) - ITV1/HD
12 - 8.41m - TITANIC (25/03/12) - ITV1/HD
13 - 8.31m - MRS BROWN'S BOYS (04/02/12) - BBC1/HD
14 - 8.05m - THE APPRENTICE (11/04/12) - BBC1/HD
15 - 8.00m - WILD AT HEART (08/01/12) - ITV1/HD

16 - 7.97m - ABSOLUTELY FABULOUS (01/01/12) - BBC1/HD
17 - 7.93m - SILENT WITNESS (01/04/12) - BBC1/HD
18 - 7.87m - UPSTAIRS DOWNSTAIRS (19/02/12) - BBC1/HD
19 - 7.86m - ENDEAVOUR (02/01/12) - ITV1/HD
20 - 7.68m - A JUBILEE TRIBUTE TO THE QUEEN BY THE PRINCE OF WALES (01/06/12) - BBC1/HD

21 - 7.61m - SCOTT & BAILEY (12/03/12) - ITV1/HD
22 - 7.59m - COUNTRYFILE (05/02/12) - BBC1/HD
23 - 7.59m - THE EUROVISION SONG CONTEST (26/05/12) - BBC1/HD
24 - 7.41m - ANTIQUES ROADSHOW (15/04/12) - BBC1/HD
25 - 7.32m - ABOVE SUSPICION (09/01/12) - ITV1/HD

26 - 7.23m - BENIDORM (24/02/12) - ITV1/HD
27 - 7.12m - THE DIAMOND QUEEN (06/02/12) - BBC1/HD
28 - 7.01m - BIRDSONG (22/01/12) - BBC1/HD
29 - 6.99m - CASUALTY (07/01/12) - BBC1/HD
30 - 6.94m - GARY BARLOW: ON HER MAJESTY'S SERVICE (03/06/12) - BBC1/HD

Most Watched Multichannel Shows of 2011 [Top 20 - Officials]
01 - 2.85m - LIVE FORD SUPER SUNDAY (05/02/12) - Sky Sports 1
02 - 2.74m - CELEBRITY JUICE (09/02/12) - ITV2
03 - 2.66m - LIVE FORD MONDAY NIGHT FOOTBALL (30/04/12) - Sky Sports 1
04 - 2.30m - UEFA CHAMPIONS LEAGUE LIVE (24/04/12) - Sky Sports 2
05 - 2.16m - TREASURE ISLAND (01/01/12) - Sky1

06 - 1.96m - LIVE FORD FOOTBALL SPECIAL (11/02/12) - Sky Sports 1
07 - 1.96m - FAMILY GUY (20/05/12) - BBC3
08 - 1.94m - THE BIG BANG THEORY (19/04/12) - E4
09 - 1.69m - BRITAIN'S GOT MORE TALENT (12/05/12) - ITV2
10 - 1.68m - LIVE CARLING CUP FOOTBALL (25/01/12) - Sky Sports 1

11 - 1.68m - MAD DOGS (19/01/12) - Sky1
12 - 1.53m - TOUCH (20/03/12) - Sky1
13 - 1.53m - THE ONLY WAY IS ESSEX (29/02/12) - ITV2
14 - 1.47m - FOYLE'S WAR (21/01/12) - ITV3
15 - 1.42m - STELLA (06/01/12) - Sky1

16 - 1.42m - SUN, SEX AND SUSPICIOUS PARENTS (22/02/12) - BBC3
17 - 1.42m - EASTENDERS (16/02/12) - BBC3
18 - 1.37m - DESPERATE HOUSEWIVES (20/05/12) - E4
19 - 1.35m - THE BIG BANG THEORY: ACCESS ALL AREAS (05/04/12) - E4
20 - 1.35m - FILM: SHREK THE THIRD (08/04/12) - BBC3

Source: BARB. Excludes +1, Includes HD for Terrestrial Chart. Only 1 programme per 'show', i.e. only one Ford Super Sunday game.
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Old 12-06-2012, 17:23
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Diamond Jubilee Concert (19:30, Monday) - 15.32m (54.5%)
BBC News (22:50, Monday) - 10.74m (48.6%)

Thanks to MattJ.
Wow! Fantastic and very much well deserved! Think only the opening ceremony of the Olympics may just edge the concert rating.
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Old 12-06-2012, 17:25
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But by Christmas 1993, BBC1 seemed to trounce ITV badly - I seem to remember ITV having a terrible Xmas that year.
Yes, but that was slightly different because ITV didn't even make the effort that Christmas, they decided it wasn't worthwhile putting anything big on because there wasn't enough advertising revenue, hence Christmas Day was back-to-back films without even a Corrie. It was a completely cynical move that even the ITC slagged them off for, for scheduling based entirely on commercial interests rather than for the good of the viewers.

Indeed one reason why the Beeb were thrashed during the autumn was because ITV showed all the good stuff they would usually put on at Christmas earlier to get pre-Christmas advertising.

Christmas was always big for the Beeb, but under Alan Yentob it became more competitive all year round, I remember Yentob saying that they would now always have a new drama on a Sunday night, all year round, whereas previously it had been repeats all the way in the summer. Previously ITV showed far more new stuff in the summer because they had a bigger budget. In 1991 BBC1 didn't have any new drama on a Sunday between April and September.
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Old 12-06-2012, 17:27
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Thanks for the Top 30 chart D.M.N. How do you plan to do the Euro 2012 officials - one per broadcaster? Also will you be using match averages if BARB reports some of them as such or programme averages?
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