Wasn't there also some sort of financial problem in 1995? I think I read about something about it at the time, and there were some flimsy points in the autumn schedule, with Brittas Empire repeats on Thursdays, Vicar of Dibley repeats on Sundays, and the children's serial being promoted to 7pm on Sundays.

They look a bit clueless on Fridays at the moment. Million Pound Drop starts a new run opposite a likely very high-rated England match this week. Who on earth thought that was a good idea? Best they can hope for is very little extra time and lots of people turning over after the whistle has gone, but it's going to struggle.

Two weeks later they will swap 8 Out of 10 Cats and Million Pound Drop around for no apparent reason so the former starts at 9pm and the latter at 9.30pm. Is the thinking here they're not sure which show will be more powerful against Big Brother so they'll try both?

It's a disorganised mess. And as for the Wednesday schedule with their new comedy panel show sliding in between 24 Hours in A&E and The Killing USA, why why why? That schedule does not flow well at all. I know The Killing USA has been underperforming, but this can't be the solution. 10 O'Clock Live didn't work in that slot, so why would this?

IMO the Tuesday flopzone will always be there; well for a while anyway. As posters have said, the only thing it doesn't apply to is a football match (Euro or World Cup) or BGT semi's. I reckon the match later will do very well for a Tuesday, but will be one of the lowest rated matches, if not the lowest. I predict around 4.4m. I don't see many people tuning into that one really.

But any combination of teams to offer the highest ratings in this country would surely ahve to be England VS Rep of Ireland by far. England matches may get 14m+ averages, but if both teams get through the first stages and face each other, I would predict around a 19m average and something ridiculous like a 23m peak! And as unlikely as it would be, England VS Rep of Ireland FINAL surely would be one of the most watched things of the century. Around 24m?

Just my opinion (but England and Ireland in the final.... that's surely a 10000/1 bet)?

Really good match average for the England game. The entire coverage rating isn't much to right home about, but the match average/peak is pretty impressive enough. Friday's game should get some HUGE ratings! Corrie held up very well in the 8pm hour and about 1m higher than I expected. Good to see Revenge bounce back after last week. It's actually really good. The Aussie soaps on C5 held up much better than I expected considering the opposition.

They just seem to be commissioning stuff and sticking it anywhere they see fit rather than having any overall view on how the channel should look. We're all pretty much agreed here the classic format of 10pm drama, Friday night comedy and 8/9pm lifestyle and factual is what C4 should look like - and yes that scripted content may cost more, but surely all these cheap series which are doing nothing for the channel are costing them more in the long run.

Do we have a BBC regional news rating (sorry if I missed it) - that probably dented the share since I guess it will have rated fairly well despite the football


Honourable mention of the day - particularly for that Antiques Road Trip repeat, which must be significantly above the slot average. Smart scheduling aimed at a non-football interested audience

Thaks for that, I will check them out..... It puts 2012 ratings in perspective - the fact that in a 100+ multichannel age, some shows can still rate 10m-15m+ is pretty impressive.

I did read on here there would be drama repeats when the football wasn't on with maybe half an hour of cheap factual. BBC One's weak night is usually Mondays, so is an ITV1 Tuesday the logical follow on?

I think in their current state it might be embarassing for C4 to share more data on their ratings, particularly for the main channel. ITV Media are much more even-handed, as GeorgeS pointed out. As someone said earlier, C4 seem to have no fanboys on here which shows how unloved they are right now.


I'd totally forgotten POV used to be on at 8.50pm on Wednesdays, following a 50-minute show (the standard length for dramas in particular on BBC1 until the Nine o'Clock News went, it seemed.) The midweek lottery filled that gap for a while from 1997 of course. What other filler used to go there?

Neil, IIRC, Points of View was the only 10-minute programme in this slot. I think for the rest of the year when POV wasn't on, dramas were pushed back to 8.10pm or non-drama Wednesday's schedules were either 8.00-9.00, 8.00-8.30 and 8.30-9.00pm. Would be interested to know for sure.

Random request but any ratings for Balls of Steel Australia over on 4Music. It really does become E42 after 9pm, then strangely 4Sport overnight.

I'll try and defend C4 a bit (albeit not too robustly!) by saying that while they often seem to do badly, the monthly share numbers that pop up every now and again always surprise me. Perhaps it's because nobody likes C4 on here that all we really notice are the bad points. As far as I can tell, they seem to be muddling through to a reasonable overall ratings performance.

Some of these ob docs have worked really well for them - Coppers, One Born Every Minute, 24 Hours in A&E. They're a bit thin on entertainment - indeed I'm quite surprised Alan Carr only had 6 episodes in his most recent run. Although scheduling him at the same time as Graham Norton hardly helps! Not just in ratings but it's clear that Norton is pulling the better guests as well. Homeland was a rare US hit for them in recent years. They've rather quickly tapped out Million Pound Drop, however and the whole celebrity chef genre seems to be limping along on Channel 4.

I think they do have quite a bit going for them it's just trying to put it all together in a more pleasing schedule and maybe add in a few flagship series. That's the one thing they just haven't done since BB finished. It doesn't have to be entertainment either - comedy and drama are opportunities as well.

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Is the latest promo for The Bachelor the cheesiest promo Channel 5 has ever done? I think so:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=owMFZrA4_80

Interested to see if it rates as well second time around. Spencer Matthews is not a big name signing like Gavin Henson, but viewers seemed to like the format last time. I think if it does well again they should maybe look to move it away from Big Brother next time and perhaps run a spinoff show alongside it like 'After the Rose' in the U.S. They do after all need shows that can pull in the 16-34s all year round, not just when BB is on.

This little 'embarrassment' could be ideal publicity for himself and the show.....It was reported by The Sun, Daily Mail, DS, Metro, Mirror....they are bound to mention it a lot in the run up to the opening episode. Cocaine use is not considered a 'big deal' for the youth of 2012 - it might make him appear more edgy to viewers... I realise C5 will not condone social drug use, but the PR could be very valuable to them.

Hmm, they say there's no such thing as bad publicity but personally I see these kind of stories as harmful. I'd rather someone more clean cut was doing it.

You don't want this kind of thing to detract from the show or the fun message that the channel is trying to convey.

this is going to sound crazy coming from me, but this Spencer does not seem like a guy worth competing over. Apart from his parents hotel, he seems to be substance abuser, with no real talent what so ever.

Apart from my brother, most of my family can't stand football and aren't overly bothered if England win or lose, so this was good scheduling by BBC Two. Eggheads will have gained a large anti foobtall audience over the last two nights.

Charnam would you care to step in as a last minute replacement? Would you want to be wooed and pursued by 'hotties'??

'Charming Charnham' has a certain ring to it.....

A fifth of the 18-49 demo is brilliant of course, but there are some other interesting demos in that table: a 15.4 in 16-34s, a 32.8 in ABC1s, and 4 million over-65s which I work out to be about nearly a 40.0 in that demo!. A bit surprised it was 58% female, but it was up against Quantum of Solace from 21.00 which was 55% male.


I'm probably clutching at straws again as the US is a totally different market, but it's interesting to note that the 13th season of the American BB on CBS last summer never went higher than a 3.3 in the key 18-49 demo (and launched with 2.8).There wasn't as steep a drop-off as here, though. The new US one gets going on 12 July.

All I can find for you is that it didnt make the channels Top 10 w/e 3rd June, so less than 56,000.

Obviously not much of a timeshift in the finals as live events like this rarely timeshift much, but 15.32m is a brilliant figure (and we don't see ratings like this very much anymore). I wonder if Friday's England match can beat this?

Well this series only began last week, so that makes sense!

Gives an idea though of the expected figure - I'm sure even if it flopped on E4 it would better 50,000.

*goes to make DS username change request*

as for last minute replacement, I think its a little late for that, unless they CGI me into the series. Maybe next series.

Channel 5 might be very keen to find out BB skews 40 pc ABC1, this might bury the myth a lot of viewers are thick chavs. With BB i don't think it's so much a class thing with the show, but an age and gender thing, if you're female and under 35, you're far more likely to watch it than anyone else.