Agreed, as I pointed out the ratings system was different in those days and BBC and ITV produced rival ratings.To achieve 30 million (well 33 million if you include the ITV figure) in a country whose population was about 50 million then was an extraordinary achievement.

Germany v Portugal is 8.43m on the BARB website.

One thing I think we can see is that for those things to happen an event needs two things. A primetime slot and appearing on BBC1 or ITV1.

A Ratings Thread can of worms has been well and truly opened...

I do think we should go with how BBC, ITV and BARB have decided to report.

But I may change my mind on Wednesday...

I've opted to do whole programme.

I think you're right there. We don't take only certain bits of other broadcasts so why should the football be any different?

anyone know ratings for Mark Wright's Hollywood Nights last night?

Superb scheduling from the Beeb with the Lynley repeats against the football.

It's striking how the Beeb are holding up relatively well with their counter-scheduling, but when the shoe's on the other foot, ITV tends to collapse, especially when both broadcasters have chosen to fill their schedules during gaps in coverage in a very similar fashion. Whilst ratings of 2m or lower for the channel in primetime are met almost with acceptance in here now perhaps due to the increasing frequency, I sense ITV will be quite unhappy with how that's played out, with their core audience dwindling all the time.

It didn't make the multichannel top 10 so less than 589k (even including +1).

I'm reliably informed this programme is one of the worst ever made so not likely to be a big ratings hit perhaps.

I've never seen the programme but saw him last week on ITV trying to explain what it was all about. He was incomprehensible.

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Adam Crozier is probably behind this focus on soaps and 'events' with many many filler programmes, a mistake I think.

It means that most people have no reason to watch ITV1, most of the time.

Not sure the programme actually has a purpose so that might explain why he struggled to answer that one. What shocks me though is that Bryan Kirkwood (former executive producer of EastEnders and before that Hollyoaks) lowered himself to it.

I think Lime Pictures needs to sort out its priorities and concentrate on turning Hollyoaks around. Scripted reality can't be much of a future for them because only in very few cases are viewers actually responding to it.

I doubt mark wright's show was as bad as its all about Amy. That really was awful and on Channel5 no less. Thankfully Channel5 axed it and left this kind of rubbish to Itv2

It had 435k (+1: 133k), overall an increase of +10% from last week's series premiere.

From Roger Mosey on Twitter: https://twitter.com/rogermosey/statu...50973992779777

"The BBC1 regional Torch Relay special shows have been getting great ratings."

Indeed, if we work on the basis that it would take a royal funeral or an england world cup final we might be waiting a good few years - there probably won't be a Western Europe prime time world cup final til at least 2026 and the Queen has very good genes!

AFAIK Kirkwood is working for Lime Pictures again, not sure if his new role would involve Hollyoaks at all. Tbh I think it's very difficult for Hollyoaks. Eastenders and Corrie endure because they keep (or have kept) their audiences for years. The characters span the whole age range and there are plots to keep everyone happy. HO has a far narrower age range in terms of the characters and its audience so it needs to keep renewing which is very difficult. And reaching 16-34's is hard enough anyway. Also, the other 2 started from a higher base. It's tradition and no matter how bad a period they might be having, millions of people will watch. Hollyoaks is scraping by and tbh, always will be. It doesn't seem like long ago that people were saying it had steadied and now its on the rocks again.

The people running Lime have a responsibility to broaden their production slate with new series. Obviously their past was in soaps but there are no signs of any gaps in that genre just now or anytime in the future. The "real drama" thing has worked our extremely well for them - probably more than 30 hours produced in the first half of 2012. Geordie Shore doing over 500k for its first run and more than 1m across the week for MTV (whose next biggest shows don't get a fifth of that!). TOWIE has averaged 1.55m for the year so far. Now it has produced a spin-off and while it's not rating at that level, it still seems like a decent performer.

Any company which focusses on soaps is nuts. There's no room for growth at all - the ones on the air will just keep declining and new commissions are unlikely. Obviously they want to keep Hollyoaks going for as long as possible because it's probably making them good money and in this broadcast profile they were adamant that they were working to keep Hollyoaks going into the future. But they need more so as when it does get cancelled, they have other things going on. And it's not just TOWIE that's consuming their attention - they've got a kids series with a 20+ hour order from Nickelodeon in the US.

I wonder if they'll go the whole hog and split the knock-out games that go beyond 90 minutes into Extra Time and Penalties too.

Sure Lime need to broaden their production slate but I'm not convinced a plethora of scripted reality shows is the answer.

I personally wouldn't class Mark Wright's show as a decent performer yet either but I suppose the +10% increase might be seen as encouraging, we'll have to see where it goes from here.

It's doing reasonably well. 500k+ in the overnights isn't bad at all for ITV2, especially at this time of year. It isn't a break out hit but it's doing solidly enough for them. Not that it makes the show itself any good - I had the misfortune of catching a bit of it and it really was hideously bad (even worse than TOWIE etc).

Scripted reality shows aren't something that Lime should entirely focus on I agree, but it seems to be working out OK for them just now so they're in a decent enough position for now at least.

But it has been the answer. They've got the commissions, renewals and extended orders in the bag.

I just think Hollyoaks has its own problems and some of them they'll never really overcome. I don't see why Lime should stop focussing on a genre that has been so successful for them. They've really benefitted from being first to market with this stuff in the UK.

The more the better, of course. I'd imagine the Nickelodeon show in the US is a welcome addition as well as the structured reality stuff. Especially as there are probably only so many that can be sustained at one time. Indeed, that might be why they're turning to spin-offs from TOWIE rather than entirely new series.


538,000 seems alright for multi-channel. Obviously it depends where it settles in the next few weeks.

Not forgetting OK TV and Candy Bar Girls, part of Channel 5's brief dalliance with trash TV that even ITV2 wouldn't touch now. I think we gave It's All About Amy an award on here for Most Deserved Flop of 2011.

I read a headline in a newspaper that Coronation Streets filming in Africa. Is this true?