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The Ratings Thread (Part 36)
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Roscoe Barnes
21-06-2012
Originally Posted by Dancc:
“Put the champers back on ice.

1.33m exc. +1 / 1.42m inc. +1. Equivalent show last year: 1.36m.

One highlights show last week timeshifted to 2m.”

OK, so marginally up on last year with +1 included, but not sure how save the normal BB will be for another run.
Dancc
21-06-2012
Originally Posted by Roscoe Barnes:
“OK, so marginally up on last year with +1 included, but not sure how save the normal BB will be for another run.”

Too early to say. At this level I suspect it will be back but there's more weeks to run.
Saturn
21-06-2012
They really should bring back the live feed if they want to generate more publicity for the show.
Steve Williams
21-06-2012
Originally Posted by Brekkie:
“I was thinking 1998 as ITV had England v Argentina, but seems it was 2002.”

It was 1998 as well. And 1990 and 1986, come to that.

Originally Posted by Brekkie:
“I'm quite surprised though there isn't a covenant in the picking process though that basically ensures either broadcast only has half of the games in each round - or that ITV didn't strike a deal which would let the BBC have both semi finals in return for exclusive coverage of the final, but say in either round should England feature the other can simulcast.”

ITV aren't bothered about the later stages of the competition, they want all the big games first up so they can plug them for weeks in advance and get guaranteed advertising revenue, so they'd go for another group game any day of the week. I don't know what you mean by half the games in each round, ITV had more group stage games than the BBC anyway. ITV gain nothing from simulcasting (hence why, in 2006, had England got the semi-finals, both would have shown the England semi and ITV would have the other one exclusively because everyone would have watched the England one on the Beeb) and the Beeb would never ever give up live coverage of the final and nor should they. And ITV agreed to all this, they weren't choosing at gunpoint.
NeilVW
21-06-2012
Originally Posted by Brekkie:
“I'm surprised really, especially now with the BBC cuts, that ITV don't cough up a bigger share of the rights fees for all the England games.”

The BBC have stated that they want to retain the biggest sporting events, the ones that "bring the nation together". They probably consider the cost of their share of the Euro/World Cup games (£2m each is what someone reported on DS) as affordable, as each match fills roughly 150-180 mins of airtime (so £667m-800m per hour + production/talent costs, comparable to a drama but rating generally better).

Originally Posted by Brekkie:
“I'd have thought they'd have gone for a simulcast of the semi-final this time, especially as they don't get either. Even though it would rate relatively low it would probably be good for 4m or so and more attractive to advertisers than the detective drama vs an England game.”

Well ITV1 didn't even bother to simulcast the final in 2008, not that the replacements did them much good:

Originally Posted by rzt:
“Sunday 29th June [2008] Overnights
BBC1
18.00- Last of the Summer Wine: 3.2m (20.0%)
18.30- BBC News: 4.4m (25.3%)
18.55- UEFA Euro 2008 Match of the Day Live: Final: 8.8m (37.1%)
* match average: 10.7m (42.2%)
* 1st half average: 9.8m (40.1%)
* 2nd half average: 11.5m (43.7%)
* peak: 12.9m (48.3%) at 21.30
22.15- BBC News: 5.2m (25.8%)

ITV1
18.00- Agatha Christie's Marple: 2.5m (13.7%)
20.00- The Royal: 4.3m (16.7%)
21.00- Taggart: 3.7m (15.1%)
22.30- ITV News: 2.7m (15.1%)
22.45- Euro 2008 Highlights: 630,000 (6%)”

Originally Posted by Jaycee Dove:
“And ITV have a feature on Mafeking being relieved on News at Ten tonight. ”

It's certainly seemed to take an age to correct! Wonder if it was Sky's fault or ITV's.
GeorgeS
21-06-2012
Originally Posted by Steve Williams:
“ITV aren't bothered about the later stages of the competition, they want all the big games first up so they can plug them for weeks in advance and get guaranteed advertising revenue, so they'd go for another group game any day of the week. I don't know what you mean by half the games in each round, ITV had more group stage games than the BBC anyway. ITV gain nothing from simulcasting (hence why, in 2006, had England got the semi-finals, both would have shown the England semi and ITV would have the other one exclusively because everyone would have watched the England one on the Beeb) and the Beeb would never ever give up live coverage of the final and nor should they. And ITV agreed to all this, they weren't choosing at gunpoint.”

If the BBC want to go it alone they would need to pony up 100% of the cost and that would mean dropping something else - Wimbledon or 6 Nations probably. So the BBC do not hold all the cards. If they only want to pay 50% of the cost to the competition, they have to work with their partner on agreed terms.

I'd say that the current rights allocation in on its last legs and wont survive much longer. The quasi gentlemans agreement has survived to now because of restrictions on who can broadcast the tournament, the cost and the lack of a 2nd channel with adequate coverage in ITVs case.
Salv*
21-06-2012
1.42m is not bad at all for BB.
Dancc
21-06-2012
Originally Posted by Salv*:
“1.42m is not bad at all for BB.”

Last week's levels were more palatable, shame it couldn't settle there. There needs to be a schedule change on Sunday else a series low is an absolute certainty.
patrick95
21-06-2012
Channel 5 are set to air "Worlds Ugliest Dog Contest" according to Radio Times.
Salv*
21-06-2012
Originally Posted by Dancc:
“Last week's levels were more palatable, shame it couldn't settle there. There needs to be a schedule change on Sunday else a series low is an absolute certainty.”

Agreed, they NEED to move BB to 10pm to avoid the second half of the England VS Italy match.
Andy23
21-06-2012
Why did the BBC's coverage tonight start half an hour later than billed at 7:30pm, there was no One Show listed in the 'Football' schedule for tonight.

Gary, Alan & co still in Salford tonight, quite helpful that ITV have got the next two nights to give them time to head to the stadium by Sunday!

Emmerdale by the way was too seperate episodes with credits/opening titles at 7:00 and 7:30.
NeilVW
21-06-2012
Originally Posted by patrick95:
“Channel 5 are set to air "Worlds Ugliest Dog Contest" according to Radio Times.”

Is Katie Price entering?
D.M.N.
21-06-2012
Euro 2012 - Semi Finals
Portugal vs Spain OR France - Wednesday 27th June, BBC One
Germany OR Greece vs England OR Italy - Thursday 28th June, BBC One
Steve Williams
21-06-2012
Originally Posted by GeorgeS:
“If the BBC want to go it alone they would need to pony up 100% of the cost and that would mean dropping something else - Wimbledon or 6 Nations probably. So the BBC do not hold all the cards. If they only want to pay 50% of the cost to the competition, they have to work with their partner on agreed terms.”

I agree, it's equally important for the BBC that ITV have a package they agree with because it's well within ITV's rights to be more aggressive with their picks if they think the Beeb is messing them about. But they're not, both seem perfectly happy with what they've got, ITV have the big games at the start and the Beeb have the big games at the end, how they like it.

Still don't think ITV (or the Beeb) would want to show it all, though, even if ITV4 was in every home in Britain you have the logistics of covering all the matches live, and the current system works well enough, I can't see another solution that pleases broadcasters, fans and, of course, non-fans alike.
Densino
21-06-2012
DALLAS

Wednesday's episode was down from 6.86 million viewers with a 1.5 demo to 4.76 million viewers with a 1.3 demo



Quite a large drop but it should level off around 4.35 mill in my guess
sn_22
21-06-2012
Originally Posted by GeorgeS:
“If the BBC want to go it alone they would need to pony up 100% of the cost and that would mean dropping something else - Wimbledon or 6 Nations probably. So the BBC do not hold all the cards. If they only want to pay 50% of the cost to the competition, they have to work with their partner on agreed terms.

I'd say that the current rights allocation in on its last legs and wont survive much longer. The quasi gentlemans agreement has survived to now because of restrictions on who can broadcast the tournament, the cost and the lack of a 2nd channel with adequate coverage in ITVs case.”

I don't think it would do either channel any favours to go it alone - it would wind up costing significantly more on a per-match basis. Budget cuts or not, I'd be very surprised if ITV simply said "We'll pay 100%" and the BBC just said, "Fine, have it. We can't afford it." Even if they had to raid the reserve piggy bank and tell the sports budget cap to go to hell, they'd at least compete.

To be honest, I think with the deal the two struck this time around, things have become slightly more bearable. There might have been a case to answer in the past about the BBC simply bullying ITV out of the best picks in the later stages by threatening more simulcasts. But that's not the case now. The picks system is scrupulously fair, and the disparity just demonstrates their different, and perfectly legitimate, priorities.

I don't think ITV would be suckered into prioritising Ireland matches again like they have this time. In retrospect (and with the benefit of hindsight) that was a real mis-step. But with first pick next time round, and the WC having an extra knockout phase, ITV should land either:

(a.) Every England group game exclusively.
(b.) Two England group games, plus a last 16, QF or SF first pick.

In both instances, it more than holds their own. And it's the BBC, whose strategy for the last 14 years has been to never miss an England knockout game, that concedes ground.
Dancc
21-06-2012
Originally Posted by Densino:
“DALLAS

Wednesday's episode was down from 6.86 million viewers with a 1.5 demo to 4.76 million viewers with a 1.3 demo

Quite a large drop but it should level off around 4.35 mill in my guess”

Still large numbers for cable (next highest was 3.87m). Held up well in the demo too.
Phil 2804
21-06-2012
Originally Posted by Dancc:
“Still large numbers for cable (next highest was 3.87m). Held up well in the demo too.”

4th most watched show on all US television last night. Number one on cable by a clear million.

Overall audiences were down on last Wednesday across the board.
RobbieSykes123
22-06-2012
Originally Posted by sn_22:
“To be honest, I think with the deal the two struck this time around, things have become slightly more bearable. There might have been a case to answer in the past about the BBC simply bullying ITV out of the best picks in the later stages by threatening more simulcasts. But that's not the case now. The picks system is scrupulously fair, and the disparity just demonstrates their different, and perfectly legitimate, priorities.

I don't think ITV would be suckered into prioritising Ireland matches again like they have this time. In retrospect (and with the benefit of hindsight) that was a real mis-step. But with first pick next time round, and the WC having an extra knockout phase, ITV should land either:

(a.) Every England group game exclusively.
(b.) Two England group games, plus a last 16, QF or SF first pick.

In both instances, it more than holds their own. And it's the BBC, whose strategy for the last 14 years has been to never miss an England knockout game, that concedes ground.”

I'm not sure ITV getting first pick for WC2014 will massively change the outcome because they will still want the certainty of guarantee England group matches rather than speculative punts. I doubt the BBC will be so rash with their first few picks as to let ITV nab all 3 group games. I guess the match schedules and England's group (assuming we qualify at all) will have a bearing - don't forget the time difference to Brazil could mean some late night games, but also presumably no afternoon UK time ones.

And whether RoI qualify and Roy Keane pulls strings at ITV HQ...
fodg09
22-06-2012
The hype that was lacking around the England team at the start of the tournament really starting to pick up now, the match should easily peak over 20m on Sunday I think.

Sky having an Autumn schedule launch for their entertainment channels in the morning - should be some info regarding their first batch of U.S acquisitions.
RobbieSykes123
22-06-2012
Originally Posted by fodg09:
“Sky having an Autumn schedule launch for their entertainment channels in the morning - should be some info regarding their first batch of U.S acquisitions.”

Fitting - the weather launched its autumn schedule on us over the Jubilee weekend...

steven walking
22-06-2012
Originally Posted by patrick95:
“Channel 5 are set to air "Worlds Ugliest Dog Contest" according to Radio Times.”

Ah the female cast of EE will get a big mention then
i4u
22-06-2012
Originally Posted by Densino:
“DALLAS

Wednesday's episode was down from 6.86 million viewers with a 1.5 demo to 4.76 million viewers with a 1.3 demo



Quite a large drop but it should level off around 4.35 mill in my guess”

So roughly a third weren't interested in the series just rubber necking the launch.

Scaled down to a UK size just under a million.
i4u
22-06-2012
Will C4 be hoping '8 out of 10 cats' sees a boost in ratings tonight due to the comedy of errors by Jimmy Carr?
ronant
22-06-2012
Originally Posted by RobbieSykes123:
“I'm not sure ITV getting first pick for WC2014 will massively change the outcome because they will still want the certainty of guarantee England group matches rather than speculative punts. I doubt the BBC will be so rash with their first few picks as to let ITV nab all 3 group games. I guess the match schedules and England's group (assuming we qualify at all) will have a bearing - don't forget the time difference to Brazil could mean some late night games, but also presumably no afternoon UK time ones.

And whether RoI qualify and Roy Keane pulls strings at ITV HQ... ”

These are the World Cup 2014 kick off times (all UK time):

Group stages: 5pm, 9pm, 11pm (plus one game at 2am - four games in one day).
Round of 16 and Quarter-Finals: 5pm and 9pm.
Semi-Finals and Final: 8pm.

So very much suited to European TV. Soaps won't be affected so much, but News at Ten will be.
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