Lorraine Pascale is a rising star on BBC2.
The Ratings Thread (Part 36)
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Originally Posted by Cent:
“There is a massive difference between getting your tax bill in and paying the amount you need to and exploiting a dodgy way of getting around the law to avoid paying tax.
And I don't accept that anyone in that position would do the same thing. I certainly wouldn't. It's just not right - in any way. You benefit/have benefited from government services - education, healthcare, emergency service, etc - you should pay for them. I don't see how someone could walk down the street with their head held up if they knew they weren't paying their way.
It truly is the moral equivalent of a benefits cheat.
Not really. If someone found a loophole where you could rape someone on international waters would that make it ok? An extreme example, but same idea. Finding a way around a law does not make the behaviour lawful to me.
And I apologise for staying off-topic
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“There is a massive difference between getting your tax bill in and paying the amount you need to and exploiting a dodgy way of getting around the law to avoid paying tax.
And I don't accept that anyone in that position would do the same thing. I certainly wouldn't. It's just not right - in any way. You benefit/have benefited from government services - education, healthcare, emergency service, etc - you should pay for them. I don't see how someone could walk down the street with their head held up if they knew they weren't paying their way.
It truly is the moral equivalent of a benefits cheat.
Not really. If someone found a loophole where you could rape someone on international waters would that make it ok? An extreme example, but same idea. Finding a way around a law does not make the behaviour lawful to me.
And I apologise for staying off-topic
”
The rape example is a bit far-fetched - there's a bit of a difference between avoiding tax and rape!
I think Ed Miliband was right (for once) in saying that the root of the problem here is the tax system itself and the fact that these loopholes are there to be exploited. A big part of the problem here is that when people are having 50% of their income taken through tax many of them clearly seek to reduce that amount as they're essentially working for the government just as much as they're working for themselves! Paying only 1% tax is a rather extreme way of doing that but when Jimmy's accountant proposed the idea to him I assume Jimmy simply agreed to it without a great deal of thought as that was best for his own finances and that was that. The point is the fact that he was able to do this (and indeed is still able to should he want to, although he won't now) is the root of the problem and not that he personally, legally, didn't pay enough tax.
I suspect the 50% figure simply makes many rich people wince and almost acts as an incentive in itself to avoid tax - if that figure were to be cut to a more reasonable level then the chances are you're going to get a reduction in levels of tax avoidance and you're not essentially penalising people for earning higher amounts, whilst those people would still be paying their way. Making that sort of change would be a start (I know they've announced a small cut but I don't think it's quite significant enough to make a big difference - maybe 40%?), although they probably wouldn't be able to do that without sparking another 'outrage' which is why they probably won't, which in turn encourages tax avoidance and you end up in this vicious circle.
I don't think pointing the finger at individuals does any good though (particularly when Mr Cameron only uses certain individuals!) it's the tax system that's the main issue.
And on that note...ratings
. Another big character left Big Brother tonight which won't do the numbers any good. It seems to have slipped a bit this week although at least it hasn't dipped versus last year. Marco's show really is flopping, which is a shame as it's a decent enough show.
Originally Posted by dan2008:
“A huge EastEnders tonight....Seems to be praised by press today and many saying it is unmissable.....I hope the BBC promote the fact it's an Hour from 7:30 given most listings would have had it on for last night.
The EastEnders Olympic Torch Ep
Will air on July 23rd and will feature LIVE footage
There's also a Red Button Spin off that will feature a number of sporting legends and celebrities
'The Red Button special - titled 'Billy's Olympic Nightmare' - will air on July 16 in the build-up to the big moment, taking Billy from Walford to Wembley.'
Nice to see the BBC getting their Flagship show involved.
Read more Here”
“A huge EastEnders tonight....Seems to be praised by press today and many saying it is unmissable.....I hope the BBC promote the fact it's an Hour from 7:30 given most listings would have had it on for last night.
The EastEnders Olympic Torch Ep
Will air on July 23rd and will feature LIVE footage
There's also a Red Button Spin off that will feature a number of sporting legends and celebrities
'The Red Button special - titled 'Billy's Olympic Nightmare' - will air on July 16 in the build-up to the big moment, taking Billy from Walford to Wembley.'
Nice to see the BBC getting their Flagship show involved.
Read more Here”
Are you a fully funded EE Production plant by the way?
May i add EE is not the flagship show, that accolade belongs to the ratings busting 'Call the Midwife' with 'New Tricks' hot on its heels.
Originally Posted by D.M.N.:
“The Sun”
“The Sun”
And they are looking at refreshing 'The One Show' presenting team, don't be surprised if Louise Minchin becomes FT presenter and Baker gets replaced.
Originally Posted by steven walking:
“And they are looking at refreshing 'The One Show' presenting team, don't be surprised if Louise Minchin becomes FT presenter and Baker gets replaced.”
“And they are looking at refreshing 'The One Show' presenting team, don't be surprised if Louise Minchin becomes FT presenter and Baker gets replaced.”
Nah, she's too tied up with BBC Breakfast. I'd like to see Angellica Bell get a look in.
Originally Posted by steven walking:
“Are you a fully funded EE Production plant by the way?”
“Are you a fully funded EE Production plant by the way?
”
Pretty sure he is just an EastEnders fan.
Originally Posted by Charnham:
“Pretty sure he is just an EastEnders fan.”
“Pretty sure he is just an EastEnders fan.”
Ahh no offense meant though by my comment, its good the program still has loyal fans.
Originally Posted by Danslink:
“Nah, she's too tied up with BBC Breakfast..”
“Nah, she's too tied up with BBC Breakfast..”
that is a very suggestive post.
Originally Posted by steven walking:
“Ahh no offense meant though by my comment, its good the program still has loyal fans.”
“Ahh no offense meant though by my comment, its good the program still has loyal fans.
”
If I know dan2008 he is a die hard fan till the end, and also hes currently very excited about Joey Branning.
When we had that discussion on C4 a week or so ago I was looking at previous years ratings and 8 Out of 10 Cats is one of those shows that is entrenched on the schedule but not rating particularly well - especially compared to what it used to do (it worked particularly well in the BB sandwich). Channel 4 must be gutted that next week is just a Best Bits - no chance to hold onto any kind of boost they get from tonights episode.
Originally Posted by Score:
“The rape example is a bit far-fetched - there's a bit of a difference between avoiding tax and rape!
I think Ed Miliband was right (for once) in saying that the root of the problem here is the tax system itself and the fact that these loopholes are there to be exploited. A big part of the problem here is that when people are having 50% of their income taken through tax many of them clearly seek to reduce that amount as they're essentially working for the government just as much as they're working for themselves! Paying only 1% tax is a rather extreme way of doing that but when Jimmy's accountant proposed the idea to him I assume Jimmy simply agreed to it without a great deal of thought as that was best for his own finances and that was that. The point is the fact that he was able to do this (and indeed is still able to should he want to, although he won't now) is the root of the problem and not that he personally, legally, didn't pay enough tax.
I suspect the 50% figure simply makes many rich people wince and almost acts as an incentive in itself to avoid tax - if that figure were to be cut to a more reasonable level then the chances are you're going to get a reduction in levels of tax avoidance and you're not essentially penalising people for earning higher amounts, whilst those people would still be paying their way. Making that sort of change would be a start (I know they've announced a small cut but I don't think it's quite significant enough to make a big difference - maybe 40%?), although they probably wouldn't be able to do that without sparking another 'outrage' which is why they probably won't, which in turn encourages tax avoidance and you end up in this vicious circle.
I don't think pointing the finger at individuals does any good though (particularly when Mr Cameron only uses certain individuals!) it's the tax system that's the main issue.”
“The rape example is a bit far-fetched - there's a bit of a difference between avoiding tax and rape!
I think Ed Miliband was right (for once) in saying that the root of the problem here is the tax system itself and the fact that these loopholes are there to be exploited. A big part of the problem here is that when people are having 50% of their income taken through tax many of them clearly seek to reduce that amount as they're essentially working for the government just as much as they're working for themselves! Paying only 1% tax is a rather extreme way of doing that but when Jimmy's accountant proposed the idea to him I assume Jimmy simply agreed to it without a great deal of thought as that was best for his own finances and that was that. The point is the fact that he was able to do this (and indeed is still able to should he want to, although he won't now) is the root of the problem and not that he personally, legally, didn't pay enough tax.
I suspect the 50% figure simply makes many rich people wince and almost acts as an incentive in itself to avoid tax - if that figure were to be cut to a more reasonable level then the chances are you're going to get a reduction in levels of tax avoidance and you're not essentially penalising people for earning higher amounts, whilst those people would still be paying their way. Making that sort of change would be a start (I know they've announced a small cut but I don't think it's quite significant enough to make a big difference - maybe 40%?), although they probably wouldn't be able to do that without sparking another 'outrage' which is why they probably won't, which in turn encourages tax avoidance and you end up in this vicious circle.
I don't think pointing the finger at individuals does any good though (particularly when Mr Cameron only uses certain individuals!) it's the tax system that's the main issue.”
I agree broadly with everything, except that rich people should pay less tax. All that would do is push up the amount of tax that low-earners have to pay and its hard enough for low-earners as it is - look how difficult it is to get anyone onto the housing ladder. I believe it is right that high earners pay a higher proportion. But that is a separate issue, it's not right to skirt around the law just because you don't agree with it.
Tend to agree with Cent on this one; whatever Carr's dodgy tax position that gets people's goat (and if everyone paid as little tax as he did, the country would soon grind to a halt), it's also the sheer hypocrisy of someone ridiculing a company for doing what they do themselves. That's normally the sort of personal stuff we find out about politicians.
Is he really thick or didn't he think it would leak out?
Is he really thick or didn't he think it would leak out?
Peak of 9.4m and a programme average of 7m for Greece v Germany, according to Jenny Cummins.
Slightly underwhelming after Thursday but I suppose with it being a Friday more people watched in pubs etc. Looking forward to seeing how 8 Out of 10 Cats did!
Slightly underwhelming after Thursday but I suppose with it being a Friday more people watched in pubs etc. Looking forward to seeing how 8 Out of 10 Cats did!
Originally Posted by Salv*:
“I expected an average around 1.3m higher than that. Quite surprised it was only 7m.”
“I expected an average around 1.3m higher than that. Quite surprised it was only 7m.”
It could mean EE held up pretty well, dragging down the earlier coverage.
8 Out of 10 Cats averaged 2.18m, its biggest audience in more than two-and a-half-years
Source: Jake Kanter
Source: Jake Kanter
Originally Posted by Dancc:
“Yes, Desperate Housewives is probably the closest we've had recently and that has now finished, hence there's a gap in the market.”
“Yes, Desperate Housewives is probably the closest we've had recently and that has now finished, hence there's a gap in the market.”
Revenge is taking over Desperate Housewives slot on ABC in the US, that is really soapiest that it can get today. Very good replacement.
Originally Posted by Agent F:
“I agree. Dallas was before my time but even I know all about Who Shot JR?. It was a massive pop culture thing especially in this country and one that still gets talked about today. And like you said the press have been talking about it a lot. I think it should comfortably launch with over 3m at the very least. I would say it would be a disappointment if it didn't.”
“I agree. Dallas was before my time but even I know all about Who Shot JR?. It was a massive pop culture thing especially in this country and one that still gets talked about today. And like you said the press have been talking about it a lot. I think it should comfortably launch with over 3m at the very least. I would say it would be a disappointment if it didn't.”
I was 12 and rather like England winning the world cup in 1966, it was THE talking point of the summer of 1980. I even had an I Shot JR badge and an I Hate JR car sticker. Apart from Eastenders in its Den and Angie glory days around 1986, or possibly the Ken- Deirdre- Mike love triangle, no other soap approached the Dallas mania of 1980.
You have to understand as well that Britain in 1980 was a grey, depressed place- Coronation St probably reflected the country well at the time- and a show featuring endless sunshine, billionaires and big cars was a real form of escapism.
Quote:
“1 million people watched Simon Schama on Shakespeare last night on BBC2. Another part of the #BBC2012 story supporting #London2012Festival.”
“1 million people watched Simon Schama on Shakespeare last night on BBC2. Another part of the #BBC2012 story supporting #London2012Festival.”
Roger Mosey on Twitter.
Originally Posted by themrdanjames:
“Where are the ratings then????”
“Where are the ratings then????”
Be patient: I'm sure we'll get our fix soon enough!
Originally Posted by rzt:
“8 Out of 10 Cats averaged 2.18m, its biggest audience in more than two-and a-half-years
Source: Jake Kanter”
“8 Out of 10 Cats averaged 2.18m, its biggest audience in more than two-and a-half-years
Source: Jake Kanter”
some people, we will never learn will we.
Originally Posted by grahamzxy:
“I don't expect this Germany game to match last night's rating, maybe a slot average of 7.1m, match average of 8 1m and a peak of 10m.”
“I don't expect this Germany game to match last night's rating, maybe a slot average of 7.1m, match average of 8 1m and a peak of 10m.”
If it does achieve these figures, it will be similar to what ITV gets in its normal 7.00 to 9.00 slot ( except when EE is on).
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