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Old 24-04-2016, 21:25
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Why is Rob allowed access to Henry when Helen isn't ?
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Old 24-04-2016, 21:29
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Now's the time for Pat to re-locate her bloody backbone. Surely she won't give in without a fight.
The Pat I have known for 40 odd years would be full of indignation and fighting like a wild cat already. But with this changeling who knows. I hope the fairies bring the old Pat back soon.
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Old 24-04-2016, 21:32
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Why is Rob allowed access to Henry when Helen isn't ?
He's the parent that didn't do the stabbing, I guess.

Might be good actually. Rob has shown a lot of naivety in his machinations so far (which I guess stems from his being a repugnant priggish scumbag).

I hope he tries to brainwash Henry only for the police to uncover it all upon further investigation. It would discredit Rob completely.
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Old 24-04-2016, 21:34
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The Pat I have known for 40 odd years would be full of indignation and fighting like a wild cat already. But with this changeling who knows. I hope the fairies bring the old Pat back soon.
Proper Pat would have eaten Ursula for breakfast and used her fingerbones as a toothpick.
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Old 24-04-2016, 22:38
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He's the parent that didn't do the stabbing, I guess
But as the police have no idea yet what actually took place allowing the only independent witness to consort with either of the parties is not best practise? Especially as it is a vulnerable and impressionable minor.
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Old 24-04-2016, 22:47
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But as the police have no idea yet what actually took place allowing the only independent witness to consort with either of the parties is not best practise? Especially as it is a vulnerable and impressionable minor.
Yes I agree. Was trying to work out their logic.

This is all going to get very messy, hence why I am more into Lynda's pastoral idyll and how the Grundys are tackifying it
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Old 25-04-2016, 19:24
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Aaarrgh! Marching into the house as if she owned it

I hope when all this is over Rob and Ursula will end up with nothing, completely defeated and wretched, seething, and blaming one another.
Peggy owns Blossom Hill, no? Time to serve the eviction notice.
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Old 25-04-2016, 19:33
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Oh I though those were only used for surrogacy. Pretty sure 'adoption' was the word used at the time. Perhaps I'm wrong.
I thought Rob'd adopted Henry too, and that's why he had full parental rights. I must say letting someone you've known for such a short time to adopt your child, no matter how strong your feelings, seems like a very unwise move to me. Did Rob pressurise Helen into allowing it.

Poor little Henry - I do feel sorry for him. The way he's so loving and concerned about Rob is heartbreaking. And why didn't he have anyone to play with at school? Loved him referring to Rob's mom as Granny Arsula yesterday though

ETA - just read the posts explaining about parental order and Rob not wanting the background checks
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Old 25-04-2016, 19:42
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If I were an abused wife and listened to the Archers, I would be too terrified to leave if that is what really happens.
Does this really go on the way the producers are doing it?
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Old 25-04-2016, 20:12
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Peggy owns Blossom Hill, no? Time to serve the eviction notice.
Ooh yes, as soon as the family get Henry back, please!
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Old 25-04-2016, 20:31
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Have just read that the BBC are advertising the editors job,to start in September.
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Old 25-04-2016, 22:20
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I thought Rob'd adopted Henry too, and that's why he had full parental rights. I must say letting someone you've known for such a short time to adopt your child, no matter how strong your feelings, seems like a very unwise move to me. Did Rob pressurise Helen into allowing it.
I think Rob bullied Helen into it. I also think he bullied her to marry him while they were on holiday.
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Old 25-04-2016, 23:47
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I think Blossom Hill Cottage belongs to Usha Franks ,who bought it in 1994 when she came to work with Mark Hebden.Rob rented from her for him and Jess.
I don't understand why when the police had finish the investigation the keys weren't returned to her then.

The Henry story line is turning very dark,I don't like a child being used as a pawn.
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Old 26-04-2016, 08:16
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The Henry story line is turning very dark,I don't like a child being used as a pawn.
It's not uncommon though.

I'm a bit surprised Children's Services haven't got involved yet, tbh.
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Old 26-04-2016, 11:46
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I think Blossom Hill Cottage belongs to Usha Franks ,who bought it in 1994 when she came to work with Mark Hebden.Rob rented from her for him and Jess.
I don't understand why when the police had finish the investigation the keys weren't returned to her then.

The Henry story line is turning very dark,I don't like a child being used as a pawn.
That was my point a few posts back. Anyone who might be in Helens position might think had about getting out if it means they could lose their children. It's not necessary to use Henry as a pawn.
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Old 26-04-2016, 12:10
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When I first heard about this story line,I felt that this would help people who were in a similar situation but at the present time this seems not to happen.If this was me I think I would feeling more hopeless.

I can't understand how Ursula could be able to tell the school who and who can't collect Henry,surely this would be question?
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Old 26-04-2016, 12:12
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When I first heard about this story line,I felt that this would help people who were in a similar situation but at the present time this seems not to happen.If this was me I think I would feeling more hopeless.

I can't understand how Ursula could be able to tell the school who and who can't collect Henry,surely this would be question?
I think they are handling this very badly. Looks like Helen will lose the new baby too.
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Old 26-04-2016, 13:03
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Why is Rob allowed access to Henry when Helen isn't ?
He's the parent that didn't do the stabbing, I guess.

Might be good actually. Rob has shown a lot of naivety in his machinations so far (which I guess stems from his being a repugnant priggish scumbag).

I hope he tries to brainwash Henry only for the police to uncover it all upon further investigation. It would discredit Rob completely.
Aside from running this story for a long time, what is the betting that they go to trial and Helen is found guilty.

Then the story line will be extended further by the appeal, which Helen will win when it is discovered that Rob effectively interfered with a witness by tutoring Henry, then the truth will finally come out.

I could write this stuff.
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Old 26-04-2016, 13:03
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I can't understand how Ursula could be able to tell the school who and who can't collect Henry,surely this would be question?
It would of course be out of the question and in any case she is not a designated adult as far as the school are concerned. They may have listened to her at the school, but there is absolutely no way a school would intervene in this case without discussion from the parent. Imagine the backlash there might be if the school were seen to be siding with one parent over another in a case yet to be decided.
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Old 26-04-2016, 13:39
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I may have the wrong end of the stick here because I save my Archers up and listen to the Sunday Omnibus. But if I am interpreting these posts correctly it seems the story line is going int he direction of Ursula and Rob appearing to be assuming parental privilege over Henry.

If that is the case I am thinking this might be the catalyst (i.e. literary device ) that jolts Helen out of her currently passive position. Perhaps when she finds Rob is 'caring' for Henry she might wake up and start fighting her corner.
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Old 26-04-2016, 17:49
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Indeed - my dear Paul, the Police are simply not interested in a litany of character flaws. "Can we make a case?", in-essence, do the facts add up to illegality rather unwise conduct or impropriety and do the said events require caution, keeping an eye out, charging or whatever, is the only thing the CPS or the Procurator Fiscals up here care about. They don't want to arse-about on cases they can't prove unless the hypothesis is incredibly compelling and eventually Helen is going to start looking to at least one of them like the victim she is. Rob is digging himself a hole and by volunteering additional information at this stage as everything the Police take or record has to be made available to the Defence and this allows the Defence to and counter it as a direct result of a glorious thing call Discovery. Basically his goose is slightly cooked, it's just going to take a while to slow-roast him.... What a happy thought!

I would say he's afraid, he knows he's pushed Helen so far that she's prepared to do the previously unthinkable and that would terrify anybody. He's feeling vulnerable, weak, sick (the physical consequences would be ghastly) and every bully is a coward at heart and finds his own victimisation intolerable. I'll bet he knows enough to think she's got a few counter-claims her own, like being sexually assaulted and probably child abuse in the mental sense of the term, not to mention whatever Shula might choose to say and he reckons offense as the best form of offense.
Can someone please explain what happened with Shula and Rob?
Just catching up tonight and feel Rob has done himself a huge amount of damage with his virulent conspiracy theorising at the police.
Had to resuscitate my old DS account and ensure that I'm not alone in my belief!
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Old 26-04-2016, 17:53
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I may have the wrong end of the stick here because I save my Archers up and listen to the Sunday Omnibus. But if I am interpreting these posts correctly it seems the story line is going int he direction of Ursula and Rob appearing to be assuming parental privilege over Henry.

If that is the case I am thinking this might be the catalyst (i.e. literary device ) that jolts Helen out of her currently passive position. Perhaps when she finds Rob is 'caring' for Henry she might wake up and start fighting her corner.
I hope so - the wailing grates now.

I suppose they've got to show Ursula and Rob strong and in control now so that when Helen comes to her senses there'll be a turning of tables.
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Old 26-04-2016, 18:33
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When I first heard about this story line,I felt that this would help people who were in a similar situation but at the present time this seems not to happen.If this was me I think I would feeling more hopeless.

I can't understand how Ursula could be able to tell the school who and who can't collect Henry,surely this would be question?
If Arsula were acting under Rob's authority she would be able to say that nobody other than she or Rob should collect Henry from school.
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Old 26-04-2016, 18:44
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I don't understand why Henry is with Rob and Arsula? Social services would surely have been involved with where to place Henry? Surely Rob would not just be able to move Henry with him without SS input. Since Rob is recuperating from such severe injuries he would need help, and has his mother been cleared for this, or is it OK because she's his mother?
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Old 26-04-2016, 19:21
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Seems to me a husband can bully hit and rape his wife, when she turns on him the law is on his side. I think this story line especially wirh Rob and Ursula keeping Henry without SS getting involved could be very unnerving and frightening for abused wives. It's seems to be doing a lot more harm than good.
How long are they going to Drag it out?
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