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I may have the wrong end of the stick here because I save my Archers up and listen to the Sunday Omnibus. But if I am interpreting these posts correctly it seems the story line is going int he direction of Ursula and Rob appearing to be assuming parental privilege over Henry.
If that is the case I am thinking this might be the catalyst (i.e. literary device ) that jolts Helen out of her currently passive position. Perhaps when she finds Rob is 'caring' for Henry she might wake up and start fighting her corner. |
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Can someone please explain what happened with Shula and Rob?
Just catching up tonight and feel Rob has done himself a huge amount of damage with his virulent conspiracy theorising at the police. Had to resuscitate my old DS account and ensure that I'm not alone in my belief! However there was an incident some time ago when Rob confronted and assulted a hunt sabboteur. Shula was there at the time and was persuaded to back up his account of events. I am not sure if this is what you are referring to though. |
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Hi I have answered this because it may have been overlooked. I haven't heard what is happening this week yet so I am probably not best placed to answer this. Hopefuly someone who listens daily will pick up the question.
However there was an incident some time ago when Rob confronted and assulted a hunt sabboteur. Shula was there at the time and was persuaded to back up his account of events. I am not sure if this is what you are referring to though. |
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You'd think so, but no. "I don't know, I can't remember" on and on. Fast losing patience with both her and Pat now.
"I could go to prison for 6 years" Er.... yes Helen. That's what happens if you stab someone and don't try to explain the mitigating circumstances. Please snap out of it. |
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Also their lack of understanding is so implausible.
"I could go to prison for 6 years" Er.... yes Helen. That's what happens if you stab someone and don't try to explain the mitigating circumstances. Please snap out of it. Helen is actually sitting in jail whilst railing against the idea that she may err end up in jail. I think I could understand being resigned to her fate more than this and as for Pat why isn't she more angry and forceful and acting more clever about things rather than this new timid stupid version.
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You'd think so, but no. "I don't know, I can't remember" on and on. Fast losing patience with both her and Pat now.
Helen seems to share her mom's opinion that she should receive no punishment for stabbing Rob and just go home and live with Henry as if nothing had happened. And all that without explaining anything to anyone Come on Helen - snap out of it and pull yourself together. |
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This has made me think a bit about truth and justice.
If we were on the jury and knew the facts as we've heard them for ourselves we would of course acquit Helen on self-defence grounds. But the actual jury will be basing their decisions on the persuasive powers of counsel. Will the defence succeed in portraying Rob as the violent, raping, controlling scumbag he is, or will the prosecution succeed in painting Helen as a dangerous loon? Leaving truth to lawyers doesn't seem all that great. It's like leaving the fox in charge of the henhouse. (Ooh agri analogy!) |
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This has made me think a bit about truth and justice.
If we were on the jury and knew the facts as we've heard them for ourselves we would of course acquit Helen on self-defence grounds. But the actual jury will be basing their decisions on the persuasive powers of counsel. Will the defence succeed in portraying Rob as the violent, raping, controlling scumbag he is, or will the prosecution succeed in painting Helen as a dangerous loon? Leaving truth to lawyers doesn't seem all that great. It's like leaving the fox in charge if the henhouse. (Ooh agri analogy!) The jury will also be basing their decision on the evidence presented to them, the testimony of witnesses, which could include Kirsty and Jess, and the extent to which those witnesses seem credible. Defence counsel could goad Rob into losing his rag in court, showing that he's a control freak with a short fuse, or tripping himself up and contradicting himself and damaging his credibility in the eyes of the jury. Helen may come across as a more convincing and credible person. Ime juries are rarely swayed by the eloquence of barristers. Their real skill comes in examination and getting witnesses to say what they want them to by asking the right questions. I hope we don't have to put up with a conviction and appeal though, I don't think I could bear it. |
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The jury will also be basing their decision on the evidence presented to them, the testimony of witnesses, which could include Kirsty and Jess, and the extent to which those witnesses seem credible.
Defence counsel could goad Rob into losing his rag in court, showing that he's a control freak with a short fuse, or tripping himself up and contradicting himself and damaging his credibility in the eyes of the jury. Helen may come across as a more convincing and credible person. Ime juries are rarely swayed by the eloquence of barristers. Their real skill comes in examination and getting witnesses to say what they want them to by asking the right questions. I hope we don't have to put up with a conviction and appeal though, I don't think I could bear it. ![]() Rip him a new one
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Does Tom have to be quite so hateful towards Jazza?
![]() I know the things Jazza said must have been upsetting - but others have said similar, and people are bound to talk. I don't think Jazza was being malicious.Quite a few people in the village are a bit sneery about Jazz really - David can't hear or say his name without snorting derisively I like Jazza and would like to see him get a break. I hope Jim offers him his old place back at least. |
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Does Tom have to be quite so hateful towards Jazza?
![]() I know the things Jazza said must have been upsetting - but others have said similar, and people are bound to talk. I don't think Jazza was being malicious.Quite a few people in the village are a bit sneery about Jazz really - David can't hear or say his name without snorting derisively I like Jazza and would like to see him get a break. I hope Jim offers him his old place back at least.
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This has made me think a bit about truth and justice.
If we were on the jury and knew the facts as we've heard them for ourselves we would of course acquit Helen on self-defence grounds. But the actual jury will be basing their decisions on the persuasive powers of counsel. Will the defence succeed in portraying Rob as the violent, raping, controlling scumbag he is, or will the prosecution succeed in painting Helen as a dangerous loon? Leaving truth to lawyers doesn't seem all that great. It's like leaving the fox in charge of the henhouse. (Ooh agri analogy!) ![]() I don't remember the details now but was it strictly self defense I'd have thought if the barrister gets to hear all the details it's more about providing a litany of mitigating facts to what eventually occurred.
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Unless Helen starts spilling the beans it's going to be an uphill battle
![]() I don't remember the details now but was it strictly self defense I'd have thought if the barrister gets to hear all the details it's more about providing a litany of mitigating facts to what eventually occurred. |
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It was pretty inevitable that Rob, with Parental Responsibility, would be allowed to keep Henry at Blossom Hill Cottage. Even so, I could just imagine that smug look on Ursula's face! Rob has been his 'Daddy' all of five minutes!
Ms Tregorran couldn't really do anything about ripping Rob to shreds at the hearing as so far she hasn't got anything to go on. In real life I am sure she would be telling Helen that if she doesn't spill the beans soon, she will have to withdraw from the case. Just tell it how it was Helen! |
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It was pretty inevitable that Rob, with Parental Responsibility, would be allowed to keep Henry at Blossom Hill Cottage. Even so, I could just imagine that smug look on Ursula's face! Rob has been his 'Daddy' all of five minutes!
Ms Tregorran couldn't really do anything about ripping Rob to shreds at the hearing as so far she hasn't got anything to go on. In real life I am sure she would be telling Helen that if she doesn't spill the beans soon, she will have to withdraw from the case. Just tell it how it was Helen! Re. the decision, I can't see how they could award Rob custody if he was too unwell to attend the court. If he's too poorly to sit still in a chair for about thirty minutes how can he be fit to care for a busy little boy? |
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He is a spoilt pest though
![]() Jezza has one of the worst Scottish accents I have ever heard! Had to check out his bio to see where he originated. Turns out he was born in Glasgow but from the age of 3 has lived in Birmingham, so a Scot by birth but probably normally speaks with a Brummie accent! |
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Jezza has one of the worst Scottish accents I have ever heard! Had to check out his bio to see where he originated. Turns out he was born in Glasgow but from the age of 3 has lived in Birmingham, so a Scot by birth but probably normally speaks with a Brummie accent!
![]() He must be one of the only ones with a natural accent fairly close to where the Archers is based i.e Warwickshire. |
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Jezza has one of the worst Scottish accents I have ever heard! Had to check out his bio to see where he originated. Turns out he was born in Glasgow but from the age of 3 has lived in Birmingham, so a Scot by birth but probably normally speaks with a Brummie accent!
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I thought he was brought up in Corby, which has a lot of Scottish people living there. I heard him being interviewed a while ago, and his accent has a slight Scottish burr but not as strong as Jazzer's - no Brummie at all in it. He was asked about his accent, and he said he had tried to make it sound as authentic as possible, bearing in mind he had lived with Scottish accents most of his life.
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He's also blind. Totally irrelevant but thought I would throw in a bit of trivia in the absence of anything to add until 11.15 on Sunday.
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He must be one of the only ones with a natural accent fairly close to where the Archers is based i.e Warwickshire.
In my mind, it's somewhere in the area where Worcestershire, Gloucestershire and Herefordshire meet. There are 2 big agricultural colleges fairly near (Harper Adams and the Royal), plenty of rivers that could be the Am and I fancy Bredon Hill for Lakey Hill. Borchester and Felpersham could be Tewkesbury and Gloucester or Malvern and Worcester. Gloucester even has a cathedral choir school that's big on music (iirc Phil thought one of the grandchildren should try and get a place there). Worcester, Cirencester and Ross-on-Wye all have livestock markets. This was reinforced for me last year, when we spent a week in the Malverns and spotted villages called Berrow, Bromsberrow and something else -berrow. I fully expected to come across a Berrow Farm. |
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I think there are 2 schools of thought on that, with some thinking it's based in Worcestershire. I've heard Broadway mentioned as a possible Ambridge.
In my mind, it's somewhere in the area where Worcestershire, Gloucestershire and Herefordshire meet. There are 2 big agricultural colleges fairly near (Harper Adams and the Royal), plenty of rivers that could be the Am and I fancy Bredon Hill for Lakey Hill. Borchester and Felpersham could be Tewkesbury and Gloucester or Malvern and Worcester. Gloucester even has a cathedral choir school that's big on music (iirc Phil thought one of the grandchildren should try and get a place there). Worcester, Cirencester and Ross-on-Wye all have livestock markets. This was reinforced for me last year, when we spent a week in the Malverns and spotted villages called Berrow, Bromsberrow and something else -berrow. I fully expected to come across a Berrow Farm. |
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That's interesting. You can see the Malverns from Bredon Hill, and vice versa.
The Worcester and Birmingham canal could be the inspiration for the Felpersham canal. It joins the Severn at Worcester, and from there you can get on the river Severn which takes you past Bredon Hill. The other thing that makes me want to put Borsetshire further west is the cider and apples. Herefordshire is full of apple orchards and renowned for cider. |
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That's interesting. You can see the Malverns from Bredon Hill, and vice versa.
The Worcester and Birmingham canal could be the inspiration for the Felpersham canal. It joins the Severn at Worcester, and from there you can get on the river Severn which takes you past Bredon Hill. The other thing that makes me want to put Borsetshire further west is the cider and apples. Herefordshire is full of apple orchards and renowned for cider. |
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) that jolts Helen out of her currently passive position. Perhaps when she finds Rob is 'caring' for Henry she might wake up and start fighting her corner.
Helen is actually sitting in jail whilst railing against the idea that she may err end up in jail. I think I could understand being resigned to her fate more than this and as for Pat why isn't she more angry and forceful and acting more clever about things rather than this new timid stupid version.

