I wonder if Matthew will be offered a job looking after the pigs so that Tom doesn't have to sell them? After all his 6 month contract in Cumbria must be coming to an end soon.
The Archers!
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Originally Posted by An Thropologist:
“I guess because its her baby and she has felt it growing inside her and carried it for 9 months. And because nature has programmed us to feel overwhelming attachment to our unborn children (we call it love
) so that the species perpetuates. If mothers didn't feel this most compelling emotion to their children, they would be abandoned all the time. It doesn't even seem to matter if the child was conceived in bad circumstances. I know some mothers can't bond with a baby that is the consequence of rape, but plenty can. Seemingly the natural programming overcomes the social programming in many (although not all) cases. 
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“I guess because its her baby and she has felt it growing inside her and carried it for 9 months. And because nature has programmed us to feel overwhelming attachment to our unborn children (we call it love
) so that the species perpetuates. If mothers didn't feel this most compelling emotion to their children, they would be abandoned all the time. It doesn't even seem to matter if the child was conceived in bad circumstances. I know some mothers can't bond with a baby that is the consequence of rape, but plenty can. Seemingly the natural programming overcomes the social programming in many (although not all) cases. ”
Yes the baby is the result of rape, but he's also been spawned by a man she now loathes. I can see why she hasn't really bonded with the baby, even though she doesn't want Rob to have him.
Originally Posted by sam_gee:
“I think Anna is trying not to rush Helen, and to get her to tell her story in her own time. There's no rush is there? Haven't they got until September to get the defence together?”
“I think Anna is trying not to rush Helen, and to get her to tell her story in her own time. There's no rush is there? Haven't they got until September to get the defence together?”
They will have to exchange bundles long before then I would think. Maybe about June.
Originally Posted by seejay63:
“I wonder if Matthew will be offered a job looking after the pigs so that Tom doesn't have to sell them? After all his 6 month contract in Cumbria must be coming to an end soon.”
“I wonder if Matthew will be offered a job looking after the pigs so that Tom doesn't have to sell them? After all his 6 month contract in Cumbria must be coming to an end soon.”
Oh that would be a good idea. You should apply to be Head of HR for Ambridge.
Originally Posted by DiamondDoll:
“I think Jess is going to be the key which will unlock the truth about Rob's behaviour. Of course, I can only speculate, but I can believe that the prosecution would give her a terrible time after her evidence for the defence. She will be so convincing that the jury will be won over (after hearing from Peggy too) and Helen will be found not guilty.
Who needs storyliners? The BEEB can get all the ideas right here on DS.
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“I think Jess is going to be the key which will unlock the truth about Rob's behaviour. Of course, I can only speculate, but I can believe that the prosecution would give her a terrible time after her evidence for the defence. She will be so convincing that the jury will be won over (after hearing from Peggy too) and Helen will be found not guilty.
Who needs storyliners? The BEEB can get all the ideas right here on DS.
”
Yup, I think they'll be going all out for mega dramatic court scenes, with all seeming lost and Helen's defence beaten. And I agree that it's the writers toying with us rather than Anna being incompetent. I think she and her juniors will have been beavering away in the background, but Helen's case has to be made to look hopeless to ramp up the tension for the court case.
I'm struggling to work up any enthusiasm for Baby Titch but I wonder whether they're going to throw in a PND storyline as well - given Helen's fragile mental state, as we're repeatedly told, being faced with a baby who is the result of rape by a man she's come to hate could be yet another last straw for her. And initial rejection of the baby would strengthen the prosecution's hand and so increase the tension, ready for the final triumphant court denouement, when Rob is unmasked and Helen is carried shoulder-high triumphantly from the court, accompanied by fanfares, bunting and a nice organic supper.
This isn't the first murder trial in The Archers, of course. Anyone else old enough to remember Tom Forrest? He was also charged with murder - a shooting, iirc - and refused bail, before eventually being cleared of murder in court. It was quite shocking for The Archers at the time.
Originally Posted by seejay63:
“I wonder if Matthew will be offered a job looking after the pigs so that Tom doesn't have to sell them? After all his 6 month contract in Cumbria must be coming to an end soon.”
“I wonder if Matthew will be offered a job looking after the pigs so that Tom doesn't have to sell them? After all his 6 month contract in Cumbria must be coming to an end soon.”
I get the feeling Pip's not quite as crazy about him as she was - she might end up with the nice Fairbrother boy. Jill will be miffed
Originally Posted by An Thropologist:
“They will have to exchange bundles long before then I would think. Maybe about June.”
“They will have to exchange bundles long before then I would think. Maybe about June.”
Thanks
Not that long then really
Originally Posted by sam_gee:
“I get the feeling Pip's not quite as crazy about him as she was - she might end up with the nice Fairbrother boy. Jill will be miffed”
“I get the feeling Pip's not quite as crazy about him as she was - she might end up with the nice Fairbrother boy. Jill will be miffed
”
I hope not. At least Matthew's voice is distinguishable from some of the other generic male voices.
Originally Posted by Welsh-lad:
“If they all put half as much effort into getting Helen's defence together as they're putting into the birth of Spawn, Helen might stand a chance.
Instead, Tony and Anna now seem on a mission to get that blubbering wreck Pat present at the birth.
When Spawn does come along can she swap it for Henry? Worth a try. Get Rob to drop charges in return for Spawn.”
“If they all put half as much effort into getting Helen's defence together as they're putting into the birth of Spawn, Helen might stand a chance.
Instead, Tony and Anna now seem on a mission to get that blubbering wreck Pat present at the birth.
When Spawn does come along can she swap it for Henry? Worth a try. Get Rob to drop charges in return for Spawn.”
Great minds, that's exavtly what I thought.
Originally Posted by cika:
“This isn't the first murder trial in The Archers, of course. Anyone else old enough to remember Tom Forrest? He was also charged with murder - a shooting, iirc - and refused bail, before eventually being cleared of murder in court. It was quite shocking for The Archers at the time.”
“This isn't the first murder trial in The Archers, of course. Anyone else old enough to remember Tom Forrest? He was also charged with murder - a shooting, iirc - and refused bail, before eventually being cleared of murder in court. It was quite shocking for The Archers at the time.”
I don't remember that. How far back are you going?
I remember being really shocked when Kathy Perks was raped. That must be over ten years ago - really distressing story.
Tom Forrest was Doris Archer'Its brother and it was in 1957 that he killed Bob Larkin while patrolling the woods .
Originally Posted by moontide:
“Tom Forrest was Doris Archer'Its brother and it was in 1957 that he killed Bob Larkin while patrolling the woods .”
“Tom Forrest was Doris Archer'Its brother and it was in 1957 that he killed Bob Larkin while patrolling the woods .”
1957! Ok. I was minus-24 then.... so a little before my time
I listened casually as a child as it was always on, but properly from the mid 1990s onwards, with breaks.
Originally Posted by cika:
“Yup, I think they'll be going all out for mega dramatic court scenes, with all seeming lost and Helen's defence beaten. And I agree that it's the writers toying with us rather than Anna being incompetent. I think she and her juniors will have been beavering away in the background, but Helen's case has to be made to look hopeless to ramp up the tension for the court case.
I'm struggling to work up any enthusiasm for Baby Titch but I wonder whether they're going to throw in a PND storyline as well - given Helen's fragile mental state, as we're repeatedly told, being faced with a baby who is the result of rape by a man she's come to hate could be yet another last straw for her. And initial rejection of the baby would strengthen the prosecution's hand and so increase the tension, ready for the final triumphant court denouement, when Rob is unmasked and Helen is carried shoulder-high triumphantly from the court, accompanied by fanfares, bunting and a nice organic supper.
This isn't the first murder trial in The Archers, of course. Anyone else old enough to remember Tom Forrest? He was also charged with murder - a shooting, iirc - and refused bail, before eventually being cleared of murder in court. It was quite shocking for The Archers at the time.”
“Yup, I think they'll be going all out for mega dramatic court scenes, with all seeming lost and Helen's defence beaten. And I agree that it's the writers toying with us rather than Anna being incompetent. I think she and her juniors will have been beavering away in the background, but Helen's case has to be made to look hopeless to ramp up the tension for the court case.
I'm struggling to work up any enthusiasm for Baby Titch but I wonder whether they're going to throw in a PND storyline as well - given Helen's fragile mental state, as we're repeatedly told, being faced with a baby who is the result of rape by a man she's come to hate could be yet another last straw for her. And initial rejection of the baby would strengthen the prosecution's hand and so increase the tension, ready for the final triumphant court denouement, when Rob is unmasked and Helen is carried shoulder-high triumphantly from the court, accompanied by fanfares, bunting and a nice organic supper.
This isn't the first murder trial in The Archers, of course. Anyone else old enough to remember Tom Forrest? He was also charged with murder - a shooting, iirc - and refused bail, before eventually being cleared of murder in court. It was quite shocking for The Archers at the time.”
I don't remember it but didn't he shoot Clarrie's dad, Jethro?.
BIB
Originally Posted by sam_gee:
“Thanks
Not that long then really”
“Thanks
Not that long then really
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Well I am referring to real life time scales. But in the real world it would be unlikly for a case like this to get to court in just 6 months. Come to think of it in real life its questionable whether the CPS would proceed on a attempted murder charge at all based on the evidence they have so far. So add artistic licence to the mix and who knows?
Shut Up Pat 
I think it's a blessing in disguise that Pat cannot visit or be Helen's birthing partner. Imagine it 
She'd cause more harm and damage than good in the state she is in.
Peggy on the other hand is going to be an ace birthing partner. She has more get up and go and positivity than the rest of the Archers put together.
I think it's a blessing in disguise that Pat cannot visit or be Helen's birthing partner. Imagine it She'd cause more harm and damage than good in the state she is in.Peggy on the other hand is going to be an ace birthing partner. She has more get up and go and positivity than the rest of the Archers put together.
Originally Posted by trevor tiger:
“Shut Up Pat I think it's a blessing in disguise that Pat cannot visit or be Helen's birthing partner. Imagine it She'd cause more harm and damage than good in the state she is in.
Peggy on the other hand is going to be an ace birthing partner. She has more get up and go and positivity than the rest of the Archers put together.”
“Shut Up Pat
I think it's a blessing in disguise that Pat cannot visit or be Helen's birthing partner. Imagine it She'd cause more harm and damage than good in the state she is in.Peggy on the other hand is going to be an ace birthing partner. She has more get up and go and positivity than the rest of the Archers put together.”
Yes, but not sure if it's true to type. O'Connor is messing with the characterization again. Pat is meant to be strong, positive and practical, not a snivelling mess.
Ok Peggy is also strong but she's also meant to be traditional and sanctimonious. I would have expected her to be more (unduly) critical of Helen in the circumstances.
I know an accusation of attempted murder is as nothing compared to a woman vicar officiating at evensong, but Peggy would perhaps be more reserved in her support of Helen? I don't know.
Perhaps Tony will refuse to take Peggy to the unit and she'll have to commandeer Lilian. That might cheer everyone up - Lilian at the birth, in scrubs, tipsy and brandishing a G&T!
Originally Posted by An Thropologist:
“lets hope someone wakes up soon, although I suppose ths is just the script writers et al playing with us like cats with mice.”
“lets hope someone wakes up soon, although I suppose ths is just the script writers et al playing with us like cats with mice.”
Anna is supposedly experienced in these types of cases so presumably she knows the form. If she is worth her salt she will have been getting her team to dig up as much information as possible about Rob for general backgound knowledge. By the time Helen does start to talk, Anna will probably have already gleaned plenty of information to back up the story. Otherwise it is just Helen's word against Rob's.
Sorry that I didn't reply last night.
Jethro Larkin was Ned and Mabel's son, Bob Larkin was Ned brother who used to come on visit.
I have listen to The Archers from a very small child,and was brought as a present a reference book on them many years ago.
Pat is not the old Pat and Kathy would have been there to support her, does Clarrie and Susan still work in the Dairy? the little talks they had were always interesting .
Jethro Larkin was Ned and Mabel's son, Bob Larkin was Ned brother who used to come on visit.
I have listen to The Archers from a very small child,and was brought as a present a reference book on them many years ago.
Pat is not the old Pat and Kathy would have been there to support her, does Clarrie and Susan still work in the Dairy? the little talks they had were always interesting .
Originally Posted by Welsh-lad:
“Yes, but not sure if it's true to type. O'Connor is messing with the characterization again. Pat is meant to be strong, positive and practical, not a snivelling mess.
Ok Peggy is also strong but she's also meant to be traditional and sanctimonious. I would have expected her to be more (unduly) critical of Helen in the circumstances.
I know an accusation of attempted murder is as nothing compared to a woman vicar officiating at evensong, but Peggy would perhaps be more reserved in her support of Helen? I don't know.
Perhaps Tony will refuse to take Peggy to the unit and she'll have to commandeer Lilian. That might cheer everyone up - Lilian at the birth, in scrubs, tipsy and brandishing a G&T!”
“Yes, but not sure if it's true to type. O'Connor is messing with the characterization again. Pat is meant to be strong, positive and practical, not a snivelling mess.
Ok Peggy is also strong but she's also meant to be traditional and sanctimonious. I would have expected her to be more (unduly) critical of Helen in the circumstances.
I know an accusation of attempted murder is as nothing compared to a woman vicar officiating at evensong, but Peggy would perhaps be more reserved in her support of Helen? I don't know.
Perhaps Tony will refuse to take Peggy to the unit and she'll have to commandeer Lilian. That might cheer everyone up - Lilian at the birth, in scrubs, tipsy and brandishing a G&T!”
OH please let that happen. I adore Lillian's character. Dahrling. x
Originally Posted by moontide:
“Sorry that I didn't reply last night.
Jethro Larkin was Ned and Mabel's son, Bob Larkin was Ned brother who used to come on visit.
I have listen to The Archers from a very small child,and was brought as a present a reference book on them many years ago.
Pat is not the old Pat and Kathy would have been there to support her, does Clarrie and Susan still work in the Dairy? the little talks they had were always interesting .”
“Sorry that I didn't reply last night.
Jethro Larkin was Ned and Mabel's son, Bob Larkin was Ned brother who used to come on visit.
I have listen to The Archers from a very small child,and was brought as a present a reference book on them many years ago.
Pat is not the old Pat and Kathy would have been there to support her, does Clarrie and Susan still work in the Dairy? the little talks they had were always interesting .”
Oh yeah. Kathy has been conspicuous by her absence lately hasn't she? Miserable thing not being there to support her bestie. Presumably the actress is on another booking right now.
Originally Posted by Welsh-lad:
“Yes, but not sure if it's true to type. O'Connor is messing with the characterization again. Pat is meant to be strong, positive and practical, not a snivelling mess.
Ok Peggy is also strong but she's also meant to be traditional and sanctimonious. I would have expected her to be more (unduly) critical of Helen in the circumstances.
I know an accusation of attempted murder is as nothing compared to a woman vicar officiating at evensong, but Peggy would perhaps be more reserved in her support of Helen? I don't know.
Perhaps Tony will refuse to take Peggy to the unit and she'll have to commandeer Lilian. That might cheer everyone up - Lilian at the birth, in scrubs, tipsy and brandishing a G&T!”
“Yes, but not sure if it's true to type. O'Connor is messing with the characterization again. Pat is meant to be strong, positive and practical, not a snivelling mess.
Ok Peggy is also strong but she's also meant to be traditional and sanctimonious. I would have expected her to be more (unduly) critical of Helen in the circumstances.
I know an accusation of attempted murder is as nothing compared to a woman vicar officiating at evensong, but Peggy would perhaps be more reserved in her support of Helen? I don't know.
Perhaps Tony will refuse to take Peggy to the unit and she'll have to commandeer Lilian. That might cheer everyone up - Lilian at the birth, in scrubs, tipsy and brandishing a G&T!”
Oh totally. In fact everyone was was just slating Peggy a few pages back assuming she wasn't on Helen's side
In the circumstances though I'd rather hear Peggy than the sniveling Pat and as for your idea about Lillian taking Peggy, brilliant absolutely brilliant.I know Tony is faring better than Pat but he has a kind of natural monotone and dull voice
Lillian would be like a breath of fresh air in this story line.
[quote=DiamondDoll;82422520]I think Jess is going to be the key which will unlock the truth about Rob's behaviour. [quote]
I think so too. I can't wait for the trial, I look forward to hearing Nob and Arsula demolished on wiitness stand.
I think so too. I can't wait for the trial, I look forward to hearing Nob and Arsula demolished on wiitness stand.
Originally Posted by seejay63:
“I wonder if Matthew will be offered a job looking after the pigs so that Tom doesn't have to sell them? After all his 6 month contract in Cumbria must be coming to an end soon.”
“I wonder if Matthew will be offered a job looking after the pigs so that Tom doesn't have to sell them? After all his 6 month contract in Cumbria must be coming to an end soon.”
Didn't Pip say he was going straight from Cumbria to do maternity leave cover in Northumberland?
Originally Posted by Welsh-lad:
“Perhaps Tony will refuse to take Peggy to the unit and she'll have to commandeer Lilian. That might cheer everyone up - Lilian at the birth, in scrubs, tipsy and brandishing a G&T!”
“Perhaps Tony will refuse to take Peggy to the unit and she'll have to commandeer Lilian. That might cheer everyone up - Lilian at the birth, in scrubs, tipsy and brandishing a G&T!”
Lilian would be a fab birthing partner! I can just hear her: "You have another big drag on that gas and air, darling, it'll do you no end of good (dirty cackle)". And passing her a hip flask to swig on and trying to console her with the thought that she'll be able to fit back in her favourite frocks once she's popped the Spawn out.
Originally Posted by LakieLady:
“Didn't Pip say he was going straight from Cumbria to do maternity leave cover in Northumberland?”
“Didn't Pip say he was going straight from Cumbria to do maternity leave cover in Northumberland?”
I missed that bit. Presumably if a permanent job came up closer to Pip he'd take it.
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