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Old 02-09-2016, 17:58
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I found a very rare archived 1958 recording of The Archers from a private collection and out of copyright. Here's the link below. https://youtu.be/7Rq6jsCo97w
Ian. PS. Interesting how the episode is only about 7 minutes long back in 1958. Much shorter than the present episodes of today.
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Old 02-09-2016, 18:18
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I found a very rare archived 1958 recording of The Archers from a private collection and out of copyright. Here's the link below. https://youtu.be/7Rq6jsCo97w
Ian. PS. Interesting how the episode is only about 7 minutes long back in 1958. Much shorter than the present episodes of today.
Love it. Barwick Green goes marginally quicker there and did so until fairly recently.
It drags a bit now.
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Old 02-09-2016, 19:24
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Excellent episode- the tension was ramped up to Hitchcockian levels! Even though it was obvious it would be ok, the feeling that something might occur between Anna intending to have one last go at getting Helen to open up and actually having that meeting was palpable. I was half expecting a Hardy-esque tragedy of interception to happen!
And- breathe...
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Old 02-09-2016, 19:25
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I found a very rare archived 1958 recording of The Archers from a private collection and out of copyright. Here's the link below. https://youtu.be/7Rq6jsCo97w
Ian. PS. Interesting how the episode is only about 7 minutes long back in 1958. Much shorter than the present episodes of today.
Thanks Thomo - I'm looking forward to listening to this later
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Old 02-09-2016, 19:30
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Excellent episode- the tension was ramped up to Hitchcockian levels! Even though it was obvious it would be ok, the feeling that something might occur between Anna intending to have one last go at getting Helen to open up and actually having that meeting was palpable. I was half expecting a Hardy-esque tragedy of interception to happen!
And- breathe...
It was good. I guess Helen will tell about the rape at the eleventh hour

Would Anna be able to ask Helen directly whether Rob had ever raped her? I think a question like that wouldn't be allowed in court, but could a lawyer ask her client before a trial?
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Old 02-09-2016, 19:42
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It was good. I guess Helen will tell about the rape at the eleventh hour

Would Anna be able to ask Helen directly whether Rob had ever raped her? I think a question like that wouldn't be allowed in court, but could a lawyer ask her client before a trial?
I've no real understanding of how much evidence has to be seen by all parties before a trial starts or how proper questioning ought to go; I also have very little patience with well-worn courtroom tropes such as big dramatic reveals and last minute turn-arounds, but I'll just have to put my big-girl pants on and deal with it over the coming weeks
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Old 02-09-2016, 19:48
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I found a very rare archived 1958 recording of The Archers from a private collection and out of copyright. Here's the link below. https://youtu.be/7Rq6jsCo97w
Ian. PS. Interesting how the episode is only about 7 minutes long back in 1958. Much shorter than the present episodes of today.
Lovely stuff- bring back more singing

And is it just me that had to rewind some of the heavily-accented dialogue at the beginning in order to catch it properly?
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Old 02-09-2016, 19:53
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Love it. Barwick Green goes marginally quicker there and did so until fairly recently.
It drags a bit now.
Just the right tempo for a national anthem- Billy Connolly-style.
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Old 02-09-2016, 19:55
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Lovely stuff- bring back more singing

And is it just me that had to rewind some of the heavily-accented dialogue at the beginning in order to catch it properly?
Some of the posts underneath the recording seen to suggest that there are practically no recordings left by the BBC of old episodes of The Archers as all those early recording where wiped and most if not all of any old archived recordings of The Archers are in private collections. Any recordings after 1965 can't be made public on the internet because of copyright.. Before 1965 any recordings of The Archers are out of copyright.
Ian,
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Old 02-09-2016, 20:29
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Love it. Barwick Green goes marginally quicker there and did so until fairly recently.
It drags a bit now.
Ah well, we all slow down as we get older ...
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Old 02-09-2016, 21:14
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I've no real understanding of how much evidence has to be seen by all parties before a trial starts or how proper questioning ought to go; I also have very little patience with well-worn courtroom tropes such as big dramatic reveals and last minute turn-arounds, but I'll just have to put my big-girl pants on and deal with it over the coming weeks


Coming weeks

I was hoping the case would be over this time next week
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Old 02-09-2016, 22:03
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Coming weeks

I was hoping the case would be over this time next week
Preparing for the worst so I don't feel strung out...
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Old 02-09-2016, 22:12
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Some of the posts underneath the recording seen to suggest that there are practically no recordings left by the BBC of old episodes of The Archers as all those early recording where wiped and most if not all of any old archived recordings of The Archers are in private collections. Any recordings after 1965 can't be made public on the internet because of copyright.. Before 1965 any recordings of The Archers are out of copyright.
Ian,
The BBC have been asking for any recordings of any BBC programmes which viewers and listeners might have which the BBC no longer have so that they can get as much of an archive as possible.

My great aunt was on a couple of radio programmes many years ago (some time in the 1930s I think). She was a singer and I've never heard her sing. I don't know who to contact at the BBC to see if they have those particular programmes which I could have copies of (I've got the radio times cuttings with day and date on).
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Old 02-09-2016, 23:20
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I found a very rare archived 1958 recording of The Archers from a private collection and out of copyright. Here's the link below. https://youtu.be/7Rq6jsCo97w
Ian. PS. Interesting how the episode is only about 7 minutes long back in 1958. Much shorter than the present episodes of today.
Excellent episode- the tension was ramped up to Hitchcockian levels! Even though it was obvious it would be ok, the feeling that something might occur between Anna intending to have one last go at getting Helen to open up and actually having that meeting was palpable. I was half expecting a Hardy-esque tragedy of interception to happen!
And- breathe...
I spent 7 and a half minutes trying to work out when the Hitchcockian bit was going to occur in that old recording. More D'Oily Carte I thought!
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Old 02-09-2016, 23:49
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I spent 7 and a half minutes trying to work out when the Hitchcockian bit was going to occur in that old recording. More D'Oily Carte I thought!
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Old 03-09-2016, 11:09
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Just in case there are any addicts who don't follow the Archers website (and if not why not?), this is interesting. (I'm soooooo looking forward to the trial. )

Louiza Patikas, Timothy Watson and Tim Stimpson on The Archers Trial Week

http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/arti...ers-trial-week
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Old 03-09-2016, 17:59
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Lovely stuff- bring back more singing

And is it just me that had to rewind some of the heavily-accented dialogue at the beginning in order to catch it properly?

The character at the beginning was Walter Gabriel. He was in it for decades and I always thought he was hard work to listen to. His son, Nelson, had a beautiful voice and was a pleasure to listen to.
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Old 03-09-2016, 18:42
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So how is the court case going to pan out? Prosecution needs to prove that Helen intended to wound/kill Rob and Anna will put the case of self-defence in reply using the little information she has gleaned from Helen, is that right?

From where I am standing, Helen's position looks to be a bit shaky, I'm sure we are going to have a moment when it all turns in her favour - Jess will appear, Helen will sanction contact with the Helpline and admit Rob's sexual coercion and Rob's case against Helen will fall to pieces.

Does the custody case take place soon after the trial? Losing custody of both children would be the final blow for Rob, though I fear with his new job at the Estate he is going to be in the area for some time.
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Old 03-09-2016, 19:49
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So how is the court case going to pan out? Prosecution needs to prove that Helen intended to wound/kill Rob and Anna will put the case of self-defence in reply using the little information she has gleaned from Helen, is that right?

From where I am standing, Helen's position looks to be a bit shaky, I'm sure we are going to have a moment when it all turns in her favour - Jess will appear, Helen will sanction contact with the Helpline and admit Rob's sexual coercion and Rob's case against Helen will fall to pieces.

Does the custody case take place soon after the trial? Losing custody of both children would be the final blow for Rob, though I fear with his new job at the Estate he is going to be in the area for some time.
Could there be a court case eventually where Rob is up for abusing Helen if enough evidence against him becomes available and could he have to fight to stay out of jail himself.
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Old 03-09-2016, 20:09
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Could there be a court case eventually where Rob is up for abusing Helen if enough evidence against him becomes available and could he have to fight to stay out of jail himself.
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That's where Rob has been very clever as he has covered his tracks well.
I doubt there will be much hard evidence to unearth and it can really only be his word against Helen's word.

19 hours to go.
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Old 04-09-2016, 03:06
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So how is the court case going to pan out? Prosecution needs to prove that Helen intended to wound/kill Rob and Anna will put the case of self-defence in reply using the little information she has gleaned from Helen, is that right?

From where I am standing, Helen's position looks to be a bit shaky, I'm sure we are going to have a moment when it all turns in her favour - Jess will appear, Helen will sanction contact with the Helpline and admit Rob's sexual coercion and Rob's case against Helen will fall to pieces.

Does the custody case take place soon after the trial? Losing custody of both children would be the final blow for Rob, though I fear with his new job at the Estate he is going to be in the area for some time.
Whatever happens it's going to be fairly unrealistic. Most of the relevant information would by now have been exchanged by the barristers and analysed.
Instead they seem to be going for the dramatic showdown - like something out of Perry Mason.
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Old 04-09-2016, 03:12
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Just in case there are any addicts who don't follow the Archers website (and if not why not?), this is interesting
Many of us don't because (I'm supposing) it shows the actors?
I don't want to see them as my imagined Archers would be ruined.
I did once see Ian by mistake - and he was a rather plain scruff, not the jet-black haired, adonis I'd expected!
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Old 04-09-2016, 06:56
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I read on the BBC red button headlines () that a court artist is going to draw the proceedings at Helen's trial - you might want to avoid that WL.

Also, the trial will last for a week.
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Old 04-09-2016, 08:45
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I read on the BBC red button headlines () that a court artist is going to draw the proceedings at Helen's trial - you might want to avoid that WL.

Also, the trial will last for a week.
On BBC Breakfast right now!
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Old 04-09-2016, 09:16
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So how is the court case going to pan out? Prosecution needs to prove that Helen intended to wound/kill Rob and Anna will put the case of self-defence in reply using the little information she has gleaned from Helen, is that right?

From where I am standing, Helen's position looks to be a bit shaky, I'm sure we are going to have a moment when it all turns in her favour - Jess will appear, Helen will sanction contact with the Helpline and admit Rob's sexual coercion and Rob's case against Helen will fall to pieces.
I was at a wedding yesterday and at the reception we shared a table with a barrister and Archers fan. Needless to say, we discussed the matter.

She thinks that if Anna can get everyone relevant to testify (could Jess have a last minute change of heart?), Helen has a reasonably good case based on lack of intent, experience of being abused that led to high levels of anxiety and consequent loss of control, and a desperate attempt to defend Henry, who had already suffered psychological abuse by Rob (throwing Thomas in the bin!).

She said that all that may well be enough to put reasonable doubt in the minds of at least enough of the jury to get an acquittal. I wanted to ask her if there was any chance of Rob subsequently being prosecuted under the coercive control laws, or even for rape, but we had to stop chatting because the speeches were starting.

We both love the idea that Kirsty is a prosecution witness but whose testimony could help the defence a lot. Anna will be asking her about the phone she gave Helen and why, and the helpline number, which will give her loads of opportunity to talk about Rob's controlling ways. I reckon that may well be one of the best bits in court. Rob will blame the prosecution for being incompetent in calling such a biased witness.

I think there should be an Archers spinoff where we can hear the jury's discussions.

Can't wait for the trial to start!
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