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Old 04-09-2016, 09:26
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I think our thread is going to be very busy this week
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Old 04-09-2016, 09:29
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Does the custody case take place soon after the trial? Losing custody of both children would be the final blow for Rob, though I fear with his new job at the Estate he is going to be in the area for some time.
If Helen is acquitted, I think that job offer may well be withdrawn. Justin Elliot cares what people in Ambridge think of him. Personally, I hope that he is driven out of Ambridge by the massed ranks of villagers. I might even sharpen my pitchfork and buy a map of Borsetshire and go and join them.

And I'm really looking forward to Susan Carter's volte-face, post-trial.

I think the criminal proceedings would be a factor in the custody matter. The criminal courts have a much higher burden of proof than the family courts, and imo the family courts would be very reluctant to let a parent with a history of abusive behaviour in a marriage have custody of a child.
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Old 04-09-2016, 09:57
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I was at a wedding yesterday and at the reception we shared a table with a barrister and Archers fan. Needless to say, we discussed the matter.

She thinks that if Anna can get everyone relevant to testify (could Jess have a last minute change of heart?), Helen has a reasonably good case based on lack of intent, experience of being abused that led to high levels of anxiety and consequent loss of control, and a desperate attempt to defend Henry, who had already suffered psychological abuse by Rob (throwing Thomas in the bin!).

She said that all that may well be enough to put reasonable doubt in the minds of at least enough of the jury to get an acquittal. I wanted to ask her if there was any chance of Rob subsequently being prosecuted under the coercive control laws, or even for rape, but we had to stop chatting because the speeches were starting.

We both love the idea that Kirsty is a prosecution witness but whose testimony could help the defence a lot. Anna will be asking her about the phone she gave Helen and why, and the helpline number, which will give her loads of opportunity to talk about Rob's controlling ways. I reckon that may well be one of the best bits in court. Rob will blame the prosecution for being incompetent in calling such a biased witness.

I think there should be an Archers spinoff where we can hear the jury's discussions.

Can't wait for the trial to start!
How inconsiderate of the groom!

I think Kirsty could be very damagng to the prosecution. In fact I am surprised that questioning her as a witness didn't cahgne the charges very substantially indeed. Afterall the role of the police and the CPS is not to get convictiosn but to see that justice is served. They really should have uncovered a far broader picture from Kirsty rather than just stopping with what she saw on the night, and proceeded accordingly.
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Old 04-09-2016, 09:59
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If Helen is acquitted, I think that job offer may well be withdrawn. Justin Elliot cares what people in Ambridge think of him. Personally, I hope that he is driven out of Ambridge by the massed ranks of villagers. I might even sharpen my pitchfork and buy a map of Borsetshire and go and join them.

And I'm really looking forward to Susan Carter's volte-face, post-trial.

I think the criminal proceedings would be a factor in the custody matter. The criminal courts have a much higher burden of proof than the family courts, and imo the family courts would be very reluctant to let a parent with a history of abusive behaviour in a marriage have custody of a child.
She knew all along he was a bad lot Lakie! She doesn't know it yet, but she will know it all along. She works on a different time continuum to the rest of us.

Omnibus coming up.
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Old 04-09-2016, 10:09
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I was at a wedding yesterday and at the reception we shared a table with a barrister and Archers fan. Needless to say, we discussed the matter.

She thinks that if Anna can get everyone relevant to testify (could Jess have a last minute change of heart?), Helen has a reasonably good case based on lack of intent, experience of being abused that led to high levels of anxiety and consequent loss of control, and a desperate attempt to defend Henry, who had already suffered psychological abuse by Rob (throwing Thomas in the bin!).

She said that all that may well be enough to put reasonable doubt in the minds of at least enough of the jury to get an acquittal. I wanted to ask her if there was any chance of Rob subsequently being prosecuted under the coercive control laws, or even for rape, but we had to stop chatting because the speeches were starting.

We both love the idea that Kirsty is a prosecution witness but whose testimony could help the defence a lot. Anna will be asking her about the phone she gave Helen and why, and the helpline number, which will give her loads of opportunity to talk about Rob's controlling ways. I reckon that may well be one of the best bits in court. Rob will blame the prosecution for being incompetent in calling such a biased witness.

I think there should be an Archers spinoff where we can hear the jury's discussions.

Can't wait for the trial to start!
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Old 04-09-2016, 10:18
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Many of us don't because (I'm supposing) it shows the actors?
I don't want to see them as my imagined Archers would be ruined.
I did once see Ian by mistake - and he was a rather plain scruff, not the jet-black haired, adonis I'd expected!
There's an easy answer to that.
The pictures are of the actors who merely serve to give the characters voices on the radio.
I've probably seen pictures of all the cast but that hasn't altered how I 'see' the characters when listening.
Your experience of The Archers could only be ruined if you allow it to be.
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Old 04-09-2016, 11:11
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Rob is going to come to court looking frail and using a walking stick although he's not needed one for weeks.

I want Johnny in the gallery to start singing Jake the Peg, causing a ripple of laughter among Helen's supporters. The judge will rebuke, but the damage will be done in the eyes of the jury. I hope!
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Old 04-09-2016, 11:20
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Excellent episode- the tension was ramped up to Hitchcockian levels! Even though it was obvious it would be ok, the feeling that something might occur between Anna intending to have one last go at getting Helen to open up and actually having that meeting was palpable. I was half expecting a Hardy-esque tragedy of interception to happen!
And- breathe...
Oh yes I see what you mean now. I was half expecting Anna to have a crash or such like on the way to the prison. All that trivia about the Sound of Music too - clever contrast.
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Old 04-09-2016, 11:27
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I don't think I shall be able to listen to the trial. Robs lies will send my blood pressure soaring. I shall rely on you lot here to fill me in.😊
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Old 04-09-2016, 13:22
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"Are you sure you're man enough to do it?" - I'd have lamped him myself over that comment.
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Old 04-09-2016, 15:05
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Hopefully tonight's event will shock Helen into action and she wil be on the phone to Anna asap.

Anyone else notice that subtle little mention of the plot of Madame Butterfly and Brian's response. Rhuaridh (!) will be on the scene soon I have no doubt.
That had me howling with laughter

I generally save myself for the omnibus because it is such a perfect background for housework or food preparation. I think I will be sneeking in a few 'live' episodes these coming weeks though. For all my quibbles about actors and the unrealistic portrayal of how the wheels of justice turn, it has become for me the radio equivilent of a page turner.

I wonder if Rob will start trying to seduce Charlotte. Surely he won't be crass enough to just jump her will he? It will be interesting to see how the Charlotte character plays out, won't it? I can't believe they have brought in a speaking character without some sort of broader purpose.

Lakie Lady - Loving you 'treatment' for the Grey Gables story. "Don't drown that G&T Dahhhling"

Love this thread. Its such a pleasant little oasis of friendliness and polite chatter amid the combat zones of DS. Thank you everyone. I hoipe you don't all vanish when the court case ends.
I have only just found this thread and it is wonderful. Compared to all the venom and aggression found elsewhere on DS it is a breath of fresh air.

Charlotte will be a comfort to Rob during the days ahead I think, and he's going to need it. He came very close to losing it with Ian - I wonder how he'll cope in court when things aren't all going his way. Only a matter of time before he shows everyone his true colours.
I suppose Helen is going to tell Anna all just in time

I feel very sorry for poor Caz, but I didn't find her attempting suicide that convincing tbh. I hope she can return to the MBU.

I listened to the omnibus yesterday as I'd missed a couple of episodes. I really enjoyed it but wasn't inspired to do any ironing or housework unfortunately

I even made myself listen to Alice again She is played by an appallingly poor actor imo - I felt sorry for the ones that play Adam, Phoebe and Josh for having scenes with her. Her voice is all over the place - she seems to stress the wrong parts of her lines quite often so it's difficult to understand what she's on about. And that strident, whiny tone is an assault to the ears

I don't think many of you watch Corrie, but Alice reminded me of a character called Joni - played, very badly, by one of Girls Aloud.
Alice is dreadful. When she was on the tractor part of me was hoping for a catastrophic repeat of John's demise on his old Massey Furgeson...

It's going to be drugs - mark my words. Didn't we have a brief story where one of the young ones was caught smoking, drinking, glue sniffing, drug taking or some such before? I have a vague recollection but can't remember the details. It may not have been Freddie it could have equally been a young Archer or even Kathy's lad.
The big drug storyline that I remember is from when Jazza first turned up, leading the Grundy lads astray. I seem to recall Jazza ending up in hospital from an overdose of Ketamine

Oh yes I see what you mean now. I was half expecting Anna to have a crash or such like on the way to the prison. All that trivia about the Sound of Music too - clever contrast.
Am I the only person who finds both Anna and her mother totally lacking any credibility?
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Old 04-09-2016, 16:24
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There's an easy answer to that.
The pictures are of the actors who merely serve to give the characters voices on the radio.
I've probably seen pictures of all the cast but that hasn't altered how I 'see' the characters when listening.
Your experience of The Archers could only be ruined if you allow it to be.
It would alter mine unfortunately. I know that from adaptations of books I've seen televised.
Although at least with TV they must make an effort to represent the character as written, hence Ross Poldark is sufficiently gorgeous and sultry in the latest BBC1 adaptation.

No such attention required for radio - looks aren't a factor in casting.

So I shall continue to steer clear of the website etc
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Old 04-09-2016, 16:36
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I don't think I shall be able to listen to the trial. Robs lies will send my blood pressure soaring. I shall rely on you lot here to fill me in.😊
. Shall we be your court reporters?
Final furlong now!
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Old 04-09-2016, 16:55
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That had me howling with laughter



I have only just found this thread and it is wonderful. Compared to all the venom and aggression found elsewhere on DS it is a breath of fresh air.



Alice is dreadful. When she was on the tractor part of me was hoping for a catastrophic repeat of John's demise on his old Massey Furgeson...



The big drug storyline that I remember is from when Jazza first turned up, leading the Grundy lads astray. I seem to recall Jazza ending up in hospital from an overdose of Ketamine



Am I the only person who finds both Anna and her mother totally lacking any credibility?
I thik the probem is that they are both 'new' characters and haven't developed roots yet. I know the family name Tregorran goes back to the beginning and that Carol in particular is a returning character but even so they are still sort of floating about a bit for now.

For some reason the Archers character cast seems to HAVE TO have a lawyer person. There was Mark and then he snuffed it to be replaced by Usha. Now she seems to have disappeared into the crypt at St Stephens never to be heard of again they have had to bring in Anna.

I heard that clip again today. Still made me cry. So well acted by old Tony. "I'm just going to stay here and keep talkign to you until someone comes"
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Old 04-09-2016, 17:00
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It would alter mine unfortunately. I know that from adaptations of books I've seen televised.
Although at least with TV they must make an effort to represent the character as written, hence Ross Poldark is sufficiently gorgeous and sultry in the latest BBC1 adaptation.

No such attention required for radio - looks aren't a factor in casting.

So I shall continue to steer clear of the website etc
Well you say that. In my opinion he hasn't an iota of the sex appeal and complex mix of dark and warmth of Robin Ellis. I find new Ross quite one dimensional and not terribly likeable. I am not sure I will be able to root for him when he faces capital charges this series.
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Old 04-09-2016, 17:23
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I thik the probem is that they are both 'new' characters and haven't developed roots yet. I know the family name Tregorran goes back to the beginning and that Carol in particular is a returning character but even so they are still sort of floating about a bit for now.
Yes that's exactly what it is. Haven't been able to put my finger on it - they jar a bit because they are fairly new and have no context despite Carol rekindling old friendships, yet they are part of an established Ambridge clan. They'll bed in eventually.
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Old 04-09-2016, 17:25
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Well you say that. In my opinion he hasn't an iota of the sex appeal and complex mix of dark and warmth of Robin Ellis. I find new Ross quite one dimensional and not terribly likeable. I am not sure I will be able to root for him when he faces capital charges this series.
I like Aidey
Also too young to remember Robin Ellis in the role
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Old 04-09-2016, 17:37
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That had me howling with laughter



I have only just found this thread and it is wonderful. Compared to all the venom and aggression found elsewhere on DS it is a breath of fresh air.



Alice is dreadful. When she was on the tractor part of me was hoping for a catastrophic repeat of John's demise on his old Massey Furgeson...



The big drug storyline that I remember is from when Jazza first turned up, leading the Grundy lads astray. I seem to recall Jazza ending up in hospital from an overdose of Ketamine



Am I the only person who finds both Anna and her mother totally lacking any credibility?
The Mother is Eleanor Bron,I saw her last night in Midsummer murders.
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Old 04-09-2016, 17:58
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"Are you sure you're man enough to do it?" - I'd have lamped him myself over that comment.
I was willing Ian to say something really vulgar, like ask Rob if he was man enough to do something rather rude with him!
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Old 04-09-2016, 18:04
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I have only just found this thread and it is wonderful. Compared to all the venom and aggression found elsewhere on DS it is a breath of fresh air.

That's because Archers fans are nice people!
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Old 04-09-2016, 18:07
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I like Aidey
Also too young to remember Robin Ellis in the role
Actually to be fair I suspect my fondness for Robin Ellis had a lot to do with the chemistry he had with Demelza. Angharad Rees was so delectable though, few actresses can hold a candle to her. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IQi546UqfT4
Gone too soon.

But I guess its a bit like you and seeing Ian's actor. I saw the TV series then read the Poldark series twice. Then saw the original series at least twice more on UK Gold or Drama or some such. So Robin and Angharad are Ross and Demelza for me.
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Old 04-09-2016, 18:08
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I thik the probem is that they are both 'new' characters and haven't developed roots yet. I know the family name Tregorran goes back to the beginning and that Carol in particular is a returning character but even so they are still sort of floating about a bit for now.
I love Carol Tregorran, but then I'm a huge Eleanor Bron fan. She could make a Fairy Liquid ad interesting.

I think Anna is dull though and when the trial is over she can go back to wherever she was before.
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Old 04-09-2016, 18:12
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I love Carol Tregorran, but then I'm a huge Eleanor Bron fan. She could make a Fairy Liquid ad interesting.

I think Anna is dull though and when the trial is over she can go back to wherever she was before.
I like Carol too, but I find her scenes with Anna boring. I hope she disappears after Helen's trial, but I think she might stick around for a while.
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Old 04-09-2016, 18:16
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Although at least with TV they must make an effort to represent the character as written, hence Ross Poldark is sufficiently gorgeous and sultry in the latest BBC1 adaptation.
Unfortunately in Poldark they haven't. Ross has auburn hair, Demelza has black hair, Elizabeth is blonde. The actor they've chosen for George Warleggan is particularly miscast. He's supposed to be built like a blacksmith as that's what his grandfather was and where they started making their money. He's should look like he doesn't belong in gentleman's dress or fit in with gentlemen - that's the main reason he's resentful of someone like Ross who is a gentleman and wears his status casually. Unfortunately the actor they've picked looks like he would be a gentleman of the era.
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Old 04-09-2016, 18:24
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I like Carol too, but I find her scenes with Anna boring. I hope she disappears after Helen's trial, but I think she might stick around for a while.
I like Carol. And I also think Anna is in it for the long haul. I think she will be OK when she has her own story to live. At present she is a bit player in someone else's story line. I wonder who her love interest will be. Do we have any suitable ladies in Ambridge? I can't think of anyone who isn't actively hetrosexual already.
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