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Old 10-09-2016, 09:08
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So you got called up twice? That happened to my gran - she did it three times in her lifetime. Come onnnn - I haven't been once yet! As you said - it sounds life affirming.

Interesting re. the burden of proof. As you say, the burden needed to prove beyond reasonable doubt does naturally lead to a unanimous decision, because if, say, 11 people say acquit and just one says convict, the one can see for himself /herself that there must be at least reasonable doubt if 11 people are convinced.

Sounds good for Helen then perhaps? There are enough mitigating factors to provide sufficient doubt even if some of them do believe she is essentially guilty?
Put like that it sounds quite paltry, but yeah

And guess who is on the jury?

Spoiler
I know- Woohoo! Although this got mentioned on the R4 news this morning, so spoilers may be hard to avoid unless people spend the next 36 hours in a bunker.
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Old 10-09-2016, 09:15
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Put like that it sounds quite paltry, but yeah



I know- Woohoo! Although this got mentioned on the R4 news this morning, so spoilers may be hard to avoid unless people spend the next 36 hours in a bunker.
I heard the spoiler on Radio 4 this morning too - can't unhear it now!
Avoid the news if you're unspoilered!
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Old 10-09-2016, 10:37
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I know- Woohoo! Although this got mentioned on the R4 news this morning, so spoilers may be hard to avoid unless people spend the next 36 hours in a bunker.[/quote]

I like a spoiler myself. I hate surprises. I enjoy things so much more if I know the outcome. I watched England win the Rugby World Cup live and it was excruciating. Not helped by being in a pub at 7am and having my face burrowed in the chests and bellies of assorted strange men for much of the game. Then I watched the game again on replay twice and still didn't believe England were going to win or indeed had won. In fact if I watched that today I expect I would still be on the edge of my seat not believing the outcome.
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Old 10-09-2016, 14:48
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Guess what I've done.

I've rescheduled family dinner for today so I'm guaranteed to hear it tomorrow.
My mobile will be switched off and the house phone will be off the hook.

Can't wait.
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Old 10-09-2016, 15:05
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Welsh-Lad, as you have chosen not to accept a private response:

I didn't make an aspersion, I was speculating as to why you thought it was appropriate to make such a potentially-upsetting and bizarrely specific statement that was totally out of proportion when discussing a fiction (yes, The Archers is a fiction), and then felt I was preaching for pulling you up on it. But I imagine this perhaps something you also say about real-life people you don't like, so maybe it doesn't seem serious to you.

It also comes across like you are the leader of a little clique on this thread, which is intended for everyone to join, so by all means carry on enjoying that.
There is NO clique in this thread, just a lot of Archers addicts. Some might think us sad but, we are certainly not a clique and Welsh lad is not our leader.
I have been an Archers fan since the early fifties so am now deemed a wrinkly, but none the less a big fan although Have hated this storyline. And hope it ends up with SHelen acquitted .my big fear is she won't be and the nasty Rob will be free to carry on his reign of terror.
Maybe he will rape the new nanny, why has she been brought in now I wonder?Then finally his comeuppance will come.I am a terrible pessimist !
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Old 10-09-2016, 15:47
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Guess what I've done.

I've rescheduled family dinner for today so I'm guaranteed to hear it tomorrow.
My mobile will be switched off and the house phone will be off the hook.

Can't wait.
No dinner on Sunday for the family because of your Archers obsession tut tut.

Don't blame you as I'm expecting Sunday to be a great denouement to this really rather good week of episodes. The only negative for me as I've said many times is Pat's histrionics 'Tony what's going to happen' again and again arghhhhhhhhhh. How the hell is he supposed to know?
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Old 10-09-2016, 16:45
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Guess what I've done.

I've rescheduled family dinner for today so I'm guaranteed to hear it tomorrow.
My mobile will be switched off and the house phone will be off the hook.

Can't wait.
Haha! A temple of auditory peace
I'm finding something to do like ironing, otherwise I shall just be pacing.
Haven't been able to keep still listening to this week's episodes.
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Old 10-09-2016, 17:03
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There is NO clique in this thread, just a lot of Archers addicts. Some might think us sad but, we are certainly not a clique and Welsh lad is not our leader.
I have been an Archers fan since the early fifties so am now deemed a wrinkly, but none the less a big fan although Have hated this storyline. And hope it ends up with SHelen acquitted .my big fear is she won't be and the nasty Rob will be free to carry on his reign of terror.
Maybe he will rape the new nanny, why has she been brought in now I wonder?Then finally his comeuppance will come.I am a terrible pessimist !
As an occasional poster I do think that it can seem cliquey when you join any thread, including this one, simply because regular posters get to 'know' each other and like any community come up with a lot of in jokes and shared daftness. But I've always felt that a part-time poster is welcome, as long as they post thoughtfully, have a sense of humour, don't tether their high horse in the thread to get onto and don't go into a thread with all guns blazing in their first posts.

I've seen saving myself for the omnibus as usual but haven't been able to resist reading a few posts - I'm even more excited to hear it now. And I won't be able to resist listening on Sunday night. I really feel foolishly nervous that Helen might be found guilty!
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Old 10-09-2016, 19:03
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As an occasional poster I do think that it can seem cliquey when you join any thread, including this one, simply because regular posters get to 'know' each other and like any community come up with a lot of in jokes and shared daftness. But I've always felt that a part-time poster is welcome, as long as they post thoughtfully, have a sense of humour, don't tether their high horse in the thread to get onto and don't go into a thread with all guns blazing in their first posts.

I've seen saving myself for the omnibus as usual but haven't been able to resist reading a few posts - I'm even more excited to hear it now. And I won't be able to resist listening on Sunday night. I really feel foolishly nervous that Helen might be found guilty!
You and me both, can they drag it out much longer though? especially as the producer is leaving.
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Old 10-09-2016, 19:18
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There is NO clique in this thread, just a lot of Archers addicts. Some might think us sad but, we are certainly not a clique and Welsh lad is not our leader.
I have been an Archers fan since the early fifties so am now deemed a wrinkly, but none the less a big fan although Have hated this storyline. And hope it ends up with SHelen acquitted .my big fear is she won't be and the nasty Rob will be free to carry on his reign of terror.
Maybe he will rape the new nanny, why has she been brought in now I wonder?Then finally his comeuppance will come.I am a terrible pessimist !
Speak for yourself. He had me under his spell with the crochet.
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Old 10-09-2016, 19:19
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Speak for yourself. He had me under his spell with the crochet.
Submit and revere. My Crochet Hook compels you!!
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Old 10-09-2016, 19:21
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You and me both, can they drag it out much longer though? especially as the producer is leaving.
Good point. It's his baby (apt phrase) as it were. It must reach a conclusion tomorrow.... surely
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Old 10-09-2016, 19:21
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Speak for yourself. He had me under his spell with the crochet.
Well he didn't me! I couldn't crochet to save my life
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Old 10-09-2016, 19:32
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I've seen saving myself for the omnibus as usual but haven't been able to resist reading a few posts - I'm even more excited to hear it now. And I won't be able to resist listening on Sunday night. I really feel foolishly nervous that Helen might be found guilty!
Something to keep us going:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b07tc524

It's Radio 4 Feedback. Item on Archers 8:37 minutes in - no spoilers re future eps.

It raises the valid point of how the Archers can 'go back' to normal after this story. Many long for that of course but it will feel funny adjusting to more fragmented pedestrian narratives about Peggy's cat getting distemper or Susan fitting new lino in the shop etc.
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Old 10-09-2016, 19:35
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I've seen saving myself for the omnibus as usual
I normally do, but I haven't been able to resist listening as it's broadcast this week. Also I'm working 9-2 tomorrow so I'd have to wait until even later on tomorrow if I wanted to listen to the omnibus! Tomorrow night I'm going to ban everyone else from the kitchen while I clean the fridge and enjoy(?) the hour long episode.
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Old 10-09-2016, 19:37
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As an occasional poster I do think that it can seem cliquey when you join any thread, including this one, simply because regular posters get to 'know' each other and like any community come up with a lot of in jokes and shared daftness. But I've always felt that a part-time poster is welcome, as long as they post thoughtfully, have a sense of humour, don't tether their high horse in the thread to get onto and don't go into a thread with all guns blazing in their first posts.

I've seen saving myself for the omnibus as usual but haven't been able to resist reading a few posts - I'm even more excited to hear it now. And I won't be able to resist listening on Sunday night. I really feel foolishly nervous that Helen might be found guilty!
Don't worry, that's never going to happen. I can reveal that Helen walks free, and finds love with Harrison, who murders a jealous Fallon (sp?). They decide to disappear, but a plane crashes onto the village. Harrison dies, and Helen, full of remorse, feeds herself into Tom's sausage maker. A stray pig, truffle hunting, derails the London-Glasgow train, which then ploughs through the village. Rob blames Henry, who the sets fire to the house, killing Ursula. Pat asks Tony what is happening. Tony tells the old crow to STFU.
Not really, that would be too near Emmerdale, wouldn't it?
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Old 10-09-2016, 20:18
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Something to keep us going:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b07tc524

It's Radio 4 Feedback. Item on Archers 8:37 minutes in - no spoilers re future eps.

It raises the valid point of how the Archers can 'go back' to normal after this story. Many long for that of course but it will feel funny adjusting to more fragmented pedestrian narratives about Peggy's cat getting distemper or Susan fitting new lino in the shop etc.
Oh but the best is yet to come!. Justin, feeling the mood of the community he so longs to be a part of, summarily dismisses Rob, (cue multiple rages and Arsula having a breakdown, caught between soothing Rob and cowering before Bruce who by now loathes his blubbering son), Adam has some 'splaining to do, Tom gets the Fellowship, Helen ensures that Kaz comes to live close by and gives her a job and Susan has enough gossip to last her 6 months.
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Old 10-09-2016, 20:36
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Something to keep us going:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b07tc524

It's Radio 4 Feedback. Item on Archers 8:37 minutes in - no spoilers re future eps.

It raises the valid point of how the Archers can 'go back' to normal after this story. Many long for that of course but it will feel funny adjusting to more fragmented pedestrian narratives about Peggy's cat getting distemper or Susan fitting new lino in the shop etc.
I'm looking forward to getting back to normal - though if anyone is to get distemper I'd prefer it to be Pat. I'm enjoying all the Helen and Rob drama but I wouldn't want it to go on much longer.

I really, really want to know how things are going to go with Ian and Adam too.
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Old 10-09-2016, 23:06
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Don't worry, that's never going to happen. I can reveal that Helen walks free, and finds love with Harrison, who murders a jealous Fallon (sp?). They decide to disappear, but a plane crashes onto the village. Harrison dies, and Helen, full of remorse, feeds herself into Tom's sausage maker. A stray pig, truffle hunting, derails the London-Glasgow train, which then ploughs through the village. Rob blames Henry, who the sets fire to the house, killing Ursula. Pat asks Tony what is happening. Tony tells the old crow to STFU.
Not really, that would be too near Emmerdale, wouldn't it?
Having torn across country for several miles (I imagine 5 or 6) from the nearest railway line at Hollerton Junction.
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Old 11-09-2016, 00:42
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Sort of spoiler about Sunday's ep from the BBC page, about the jury:

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Whoops- try again...

Oh wow! Just...WOW!!!
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Old 11-09-2016, 00:47
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Speak for yourself. He had me under his spell with the crochet.
WL IS MY LEADER!!!

Roll on the DS Archers convention at his country pile...I'm dying to taste his Victoria sponge!
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Old 11-09-2016, 00:50
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Guess what I've done.

I've rescheduled family dinner for today so I'm guaranteed to hear it tomorrow.
My mobile will be switched off and the house phone will be off the hook.

Can't wait.
My other half is going to be down so I won't be able to listen live . I may offer to run him a bath, light candles and give him wine, in the hope he will doze for an hour so I can sneakily listen!
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Old 11-09-2016, 01:52
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Having torn across country for several miles (I imagine 5 or 6) from the nearest railway line at Hollerton Junction.
Which would more likely be on the Bristol to Birmingham line.
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Old 11-09-2016, 05:08
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Don't worry, that's never going to happen. I can reveal that Helen walks free, and finds love with Harrison, who murders a jealous Fallon (sp?). They decide to disappear, but a plane crashes onto the village. Harrison dies, and Helen, full of remorse, feeds herself into Tom's sausage maker. A stray pig, truffle hunting, derails the London-Glasgow train, which then ploughs through the village. Rob blames Henry, who the sets fire to the house, killing Ursula. Pat asks Tony what is happening. Tony tells the old crow to STFU.
Not really, that would be too near Emmerdale, wouldn't it?
Well, I don't watch Emmerdake so that would all be new to me.

Please tell me Pip doesn't survive the plane crash. Or does whichever Fairbrother brother is in love with her catch her and the Fairbrother brother who isn't in love with her in the act and kill them in a jealous rage by stuffing their mouths with goslings, escaping on Bartleby because the village now has no policeman living handily nearby?
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Old 11-09-2016, 08:19
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Which would more likely be on the Bristol to Birmingham line.
Oh what wouldn't I give to get into the train announcers booth at New Street so I could announce the next train leaving from platrom 11a is the 8.35 to Bristol Temple Meads calling at Redditch, Worcester Foregate, Felpersham, Hollerton Junction, Waterly Cross, Cheltenham Spa arriving at Bristol Temple Meads at 11.05.

Excited now only 2 hours to go and a second helping at 7pm too.
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