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Old 11-09-2016, 22:26
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For all the rather irritating gallery commentary I wish we had heard Arsula's reaction.
Her outrage must have been consummate, coupled with utter helplessness to do anything about it.
Delicious. Hope it will haunt her for the rest of her life, the execrable old sow.
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Old 11-09-2016, 22:31
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I wondered about that when Jess stated it in court. Initially Rob came in as a very successful farmer who was doing very well for himself and only reluctantly came back to UK because his wife's parent (can't remember if it was Mother or Father) was ill.

Rob will probably get supervised access to Jack, I wouldn't think Social Services would be too keen to let him any other visitation rights. On the other hand he wasn't convicted of anything, was he?
The way that the scriptwriters are going we may yet get to hear them on Jeremy Kyle... DNA and a lie detector!
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Old 11-09-2016, 22:44
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The way that the scriptwriters are going we may yet get to hear them on Jeremy Kyle... DNA and a lie detector!
You really didn't like the jury episode eh!

Just see it as a one-off. It delivered the right result. A means to an end!
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Old 12-09-2016, 00:06
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What a waste of time, I cannot understand why at the very start of the trial, the defence didn't explain to the Judge that Helen was an Archer, one of the Archer Clan of Ambridge.

He would have immediately discharged the jury and had all the charges dropped.
Everyone knows that the Archers are THE most perfect family in the land and none of them can ever do anything untoward.

Bring back Walter Gabriel, he would have told them!
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Old 12-09-2016, 00:20
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Favourite dramatic twitter theory: "Is juror-Blake Kaz's ex?" Don't go there...
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Old 12-09-2016, 01:05
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Very infrequently I should think as he won't be living anywhere near Ambridge. Probably back home in Winchester (sweet revenge, he gets to live with disparaging Bruce and interferring Ursula). He'll probably try to weasel his way into Justin's job offer, but all Justin has to do is mention the fact that Jess testified that Rob changed jobs very often, and that he's not a long term employee candidate.
I thought that the Titchener Clan lived in rural Hampshire (And only probably because that's where the actor who plays Rob lives). When was Winchester mentioned?
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Old 12-09-2016, 04:06
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The 'special' was so far from special I'm going to take the recommendation of several posters and pretend it didn't happen.

I think the next few weeks have a lot of potential.

By implication, if Helen is innocent Rob is guilty of rape and abide. That has no standing in law, of course, but no social worker in their right minds would dare ignore it and I'd expect Henry to be returned to Helen wherever she's living pdq. Similarly, I'd expect Rob's access to Henry - if he doesn't reject him - and the baby to be supervised, giving him more reason to go off the deep end.

He could presumably still be charged with assault on the photographer if Shula cracks, which she seems to be doing, and 'fesses up to the police.

There's the option to have him charged with rape but I doubt they've got another court case in mind, especially a controversial one.

As far as the job goes Justin doesn't have any grounds to break his contract, does he? He's guilty by implication only. As yet there are no charges. Rob doesn't think he's guilty of anything so he won't resign,

I don't think they'll let this go easily or quickly by simply having Rob leave the village, I can see Rob staying on in Ambrudge and this dragging on for some time. And the final act being something like his kidnapping Jack/Gideon and/or Henry and/or Helen, and/or threatening to kill Helen - or all the above if they're going to be super soapy - before he's carted off for the final time, raving and frothing at the mouth.
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Old 12-09-2016, 06:28
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The 'special' was so far from special I'm going to take the recommendation of several posters and pretend it didn't happen.

I think the next few weeks have a lot of potential.

By implication, if Helen is innocent Rob is guilty of rape and abide. That has no standing in law, of course, but no social worker in their right minds would dare ignore it and I'd expect Henry to be returned to Helen wherever she's living pdq. Similarly, I'd expect Rob's access to Henry - if he doesn't reject him - and the baby to be supervised, giving him more reason to go off the deep end.

He could presumably still be charged with assault on the photographer if Shula cracks, which she seems to be doing, and 'fesses up to the police.

There's the option to have him charged with rape but I doubt they've got another court case in mind, especially a controversial one.

As far as the job goes Justin doesn't have any grounds to break his contract, does he? He's guilty by implication only. As yet there are no charges. Rob doesn't think he's guilty of anything so he won't resign,

I don't think they'll let this go easily or quickly by simply having Rob leave the village, I can see Rob staying on in Ambrudge and this dragging on for some time. And the final act being something like his kidnapping Jack/Gideon and/or Henry and/or Helen, and/or threatening to kill Helen - or all the above if they're going to be super soapy - before he's carted off for the final time, raving and frothing at the mouth.
Will be interesting for sure.
Has the job been assured and all the relevant paperwork signed?
I thought it had just been a verbal offer on the phone - which can be retracted.

I hope the villagers will be unanimous in their condemnation. Surely not even Justin and Susan can regard him with approval now?
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Old 12-09-2016, 08:07
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I wondered about that when Jess stated it in court. Initially Rob came in as a very successful farmer who was doing very well for himself and only reluctantly came back to UK because his wife's parent (can't remember if it was Mother or Father) was ill.

Rob will probably get supervised access to Jack, I wouldn't think Social Services would be too keen to let him any other visitation rights. On the other hand he wasn't convicted of anything, was he?
No, but both Helen and Jess made serious allegations about him in court which could be pursued subsequently and also cast doubt on him having access to the children. He has already tried to intimidate Helen as she left the court, so who knows what he (courtesy of the scriptwriters) might be going to do?

Going back to the special, I felt the juries deliberations and Pat's wailing and Tony's simpering totally over the top and distracted from the story line. Did like the Eileen Atkins character though, a good performance.
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Old 12-09-2016, 08:08
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It is surprising they did not take more of an interest from the beginning?
In a case like this, Social Services will have been in Court for the entire hearing in the public gallery making notes and will have been reporting back to their managers every day.
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Old 12-09-2016, 08:17
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No, but both Helen and Jess made serious allegations about him in court which could be pursued subsequently and also cast doubt on him having access to the children. He has already tried to intimidate Helen as she left the court, so who knows what he (courtesy of the scriptwriters) might be going to do?

Going back to the special, I felt the juries deliberations and Pat's wailing and Tony's simpering totally over the top and distracted from the story line. Did like the Eileen Atkins character though, a good performance.
Somebody further back in the thread pointed out that Helen (and Jess) would have to make a complaint against Rob in order for the rape charge to be pursued. I can't see either of them doing that, they just want to get on with their lives and not have to relive the nightmare scenarios that they have experienced.

Social Services would have to grant him supervised access to the children at the very least. He is Jack's Father and Henry does seem to be fond of him.
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Old 12-09-2016, 08:37
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Will be interesting for sure.
Has the job been assured and all the relevant paperwork signed?
I thought it had just been a verbal offer on the phone - which can be retracted.

I hope the villagers will be unanimous in their condemnation. Surely not even Justin and Susan can regard him with approval now?
Oh yes, you could be right about the job. So he'd be presumably homeless and jobless. He might try and hang on to the cottage. Or I wonder if anyone will still believe he's innocent and take him in. I really don't see him leaving yet though. There's lots of dramatic mileage left.
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Old 12-09-2016, 08:40
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Oh yes, you could be right about the job. So he'd be presumably homeless and jobless. He might try and hang on to the cottage. Or I wonder if anyone will still believe he's innocent and take him in. I really don't see him leaving yet though. There's lots of dramatic mileage left.
Agree. Don't mind if he stays as long as his life is made unbearable.
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Old 12-09-2016, 09:02
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Hi all, been following this thread for months and been desparate to post, but somehow it wouldn't let me. Anyway sorted now.

One thing that really bothered me about last night on top of what everyone else said was that NOBODY mentioned Henry. When Helen was arrested she would talk about nothing but. How come she didn't ask anyone when she would be able to see him?
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Old 12-09-2016, 09:15
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Welcome praggs. It's always nice to see a new face, so to speak.

I suppose they were all to wound up with the verdict to think about Henry. Yesterday was Friday in Archerland so we'll have to see what happens on Sunday when Pat and Tony get Henry.
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Old 12-09-2016, 09:34
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Hi all, been following this thread for months and been desparate to post, but somehow it wouldn't let me. Anyway sorted now.

One thing that really bothered me about last night on top of what everyone else said was that NOBODY mentioned Henry. When Helen was arrested she would talk about nothing but. How come she didn't ask anyone when she would be able to see him?
Hey Glad the network gremlins have let you post now!

So strange they didn't mention Henry. I think that would have been more realistic than Tony's rather strange "Our beautiful courageous daughter is coming hoooome", which sounded a little stilted. Who speaks like that?

Tonight's will be interesting.... unless they frustrate us by making a whole episode about Joe / Grange Farm saga, or about Toby/Pip!
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Old 12-09-2016, 09:37
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One think bothered me about the jury. Well two things: First was the make up of the jury seemed to be all young naïve people with the exception of Jackie and Rob2 the chairman. The second is when chatting about not being able to avoid telling friends and family what was happening: What about a simple "I am not allowed to talk about it."?
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Old 12-09-2016, 10:00
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That episode was completely bonkers,dreadful acting,rushed lines, real pantomime stuff, saved only by Eileen Atkins.
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Old 12-09-2016, 10:05
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I thought that the Titchener Clan lived in rural Hampshire (And only probably because that's where the actor who plays Rob lives). When was Winchester mentioned?
You're right of course. I got a little over-excited (aka got myself outside of a bottle of wine)
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Old 12-09-2016, 10:09
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In a case like this, Social Services will have been in Court for the entire hearing in the public gallery making notes and will have been reporting back to their managers every day.
Of course you may be correct but I think that is unlikely as their work loads are too heavy to allow someone to sit about all day.

Hi all, been following this thread for months and been desparate to post, but somehow it wouldn't let me. Anyway sorted now.

One thing that really bothered me about last night on top of what everyone else said was that NOBODY mentioned Henry. When Helen was arrested she would talk about nothing but. How come she didn't ask anyone when she would be able to see him?
Hi praggs

Hope you enjoy posting here.

So glad there are no more 'extended episodes' on the horizon as I am still profoundly annoyed about last night.

Would anyone else like The Archers to be on for longer?
I'd like around 20 mins but suppose that will never happen.
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Old 12-09-2016, 10:10
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That episode was completely bonkers,dreadful acting,rushed lines, real pantomime stuff, saved only by Eileen Atkins.
Shocking, wasn't it?
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Old 12-09-2016, 10:26
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Oh yes, you could be right about the job. So he'd be presumably homeless and jobless. He might try and hang on to the cottage. Or I wonder if anyone will still believe he's innocent and take him in. I really don't see him leaving yet though. There's lots of dramatic mileage left.
I am sure he will carry on living at the cottage. That will be a huge sticking point.
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Old 12-09-2016, 10:27
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I am sure he will carry on living at the cottage. That will be a huge sticking point.
Hopefully Peggy will sort him out.
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Old 12-09-2016, 10:35
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She could send round the Grundy boys!
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Old 12-09-2016, 10:38
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Aggravating as last night's delirious nightmare was, there were still pointers as to how the story is going to progress, and Rob & Helen's dynamic still seems unchanged with his menacing "Helen darling- I can't take my eyes off you" and her subsequent non-telling of this freakery to her parents straight afterwards.
I get that victims probably take ages to shake off the effects of this kind of dominating control, but I was still shouting TELL EVERYBODY! at the radio. Regardless of how many of her f&f are now aware of it, this is definitely far from over until Helen is able to fully engage with the problem and defeat it properly; "Putting it all behind you" is the answer to a few things, but not everything.
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