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Old 17-09-2016, 10:03
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Maybe the Archers isn't for you then. It isn't everybodies cup of tea, in fact nothing is. I don't know how long you have been a listener but I find the suggestion that Linda et al are not rounded characters, the most extraordinary statement. I conclude that you may have only been listening for a year or two if that's the conclusion you have come to.

This is one of the main grumbles long term listener to the Archers complain of. The characters are so well rounded and we know them so well, that when the writers force one to behave out of character - such as Pat Archer, or a new actor takes over without a feel for the character - new Tom and maybe new Tony, it really jars.

I think you may be at an impasse, althoguh perhaps with two options still open to you. Either knock it on the head and decide that the daily life of country folk; village fetes, bee keeping, escaped live stock, jam making, single wicket competitions is not for you. This would be a shame but each to his/her own. Alternatively stick with it but try to suspend you judgement until you have 'lived' in the village long enough to get to know people.
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Old 17-09-2016, 10:42
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Yes Henry may well struggle, however, imagine the modern day format with the mother who marries or cohabits with several partners throughout the child formative years, how could each father figures' parental rights be managed ? I know that would be unlikely but it could happen...


I think it will be too, re a return to gentler stories been like that for me for decades and providing it keeps to the cleverly written format ....I'm no shrinking violet, don't like EE. but I watched all of Breaking Bad in 2 months. Loved it, but then it wasn't when sitting peacefully in the garden or driving my car. Time and place...
Very good point. I hadn't heard of parental reponsibility orders before this story line. But if they can be obtained in real life as easily as Rob and Helen did re Henry I wonder if the eligibility bar is set too low. It seemed to be available to Helen and Rob for the asking. I wonder now if perhaps it should have more searching background and motivation checks and some discussion about the longer term risks. Maybe a bit more like going through the process to adopt or foster.

Having said that we don't do we check people know what they are getting into, do we? You can enter into a marraige on a whim but have to jump through hoops to get out of it. You have to get a licence to have a dog. But you can have a baby irrespective of your intentions, ability, understanding etc yet have to go through all manner of checks to foster, adopt or even provide day care fo a child. I have often wondered if we apply rigour and due diligence in the right places.
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Old 17-09-2016, 10:45
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This is where I miss a " like " button. Very well put. I'm afraid that I came to TA down the Mrs Dales Diary and Waggoners walk route.
Was anyone else here a member of the old message board on BBC TA page? And if so do you remember how we berated Ruth when she left David for the temporary cowman?
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Wow you have lived in the village a long time. Wasn't Mrs Dale's diary the one where they put the entire cast into a radio bus for a jolly day out and drove them all over a cliff!!!
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Old 17-09-2016, 10:45
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Maybe the Archers isn't for you then. It isn't everybodies cup of tea, in fact nothing is. I don't know how long you have been a listener but I find the suggestion that Linda et al are not rounded characters, the most extraordinary statement. I conclude that you may have only been listening for a year or two if that's the conclusion you have come to.

This is one of the main grumbles long term listener to the Archers complain of. The characters are so well rounded and we know them so well, that when the writers force one to behave out of character - such as Pat Archer, or a new actor takes over without a feel for the character - new Tom and maybe new Tony, it really jars.

I think you may be at an impasse, althoguh perhaps with two options still open to you. Either knock it on the head and decide that the daily life of country folk; village fetes, bee keeping, escaped live stock, jam making, single wicket competitions is not for you. This would be a shame but each to his/her own. Alternatively stick with it but try to suspend you judgement until you have 'lived' in the village long enough to get to know people.
I've actually been dipping in and out for at least the past 20 years, as I was brought up in an Archers-listening household. Can you give an example of how Linda Snell or Susan Carter have deviated from their respective stereotypical presentation for any length of time?
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Old 17-09-2016, 10:46
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Your patient, detailed and logical posts are a real joy to read.
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Old 17-09-2016, 10:55
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I've actually been dipping in and out for at least the past 20 years, as I was brought up in an Archers-listening household. Can you give an example of how Linda Snell or Susan Carter have deviated from their respective stereotypical presentation for any length of time?
Fair enough. You have lived there long enough to have had access to the same information that we have. Clearly you don't much care for the show which is absolutely fine.

BIB No. I don't intend to get into some academic discussion about how the characters are more than caricature. I don't feel any need to do that. I enjoy the Archers just as it is and has always been. I used to love Coronation Street for the same reasons, but haven't watched it in years.

The Archer's is the only remaining bastion of a soap that really is about the minutiae of life. That's what I love about it. I come to this thread to talk about it with other universally nice and friendly people who also love the show, not to defend it to people who don't.

If I want combat and confrontation I go out there>>>>>

In here its just nice and Archery. Time for elevensies I think. Home made ginger biscuit anyone?
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Old 17-09-2016, 11:12
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Fair enough. You have lived there long enough to have had access to the same information that we have. Clearly you don't much care for the show which is absolutely fine.

BIB No. I don't intend to get into some academic discussion about how the characters are more than caricature. I don't feel any need to do that. I enjoy the Archers just as it is and has always been. I used to love Coronation Street for the same reasons, but haven't watched it in years.

The Archer's is the only remaining bastion of a soap that really is about the minutiae of life. That's what I love about it. I come to this thread to talk about it with other universally nice and friendly people who also love the show, not to defend it to people who don't.

If I want combat and confrontation I go out there>>>>>

In here its just nice and Archery. Time for elevensies I think. Home made ginger biscuit anyone?
I think if you look back on your recent posts addressed to me, you are the one being confrontational, and now you're implying I'm not 'nice and friendly' just because I gave a different opinion to the one you have. And people wonder why I said this thread seems like a clique.

Not everyone listens to soaps for the same reasons; I liked the recent drama and don't want to be comforted by a soap - I want to be excited. So when this storyline dies down, yes I probably will stop listening, and pick it up again when a character I know does something interesting in the future. I do find it hard to understand how Linda Snell displays any traits that go beyond caricature though - she's played for laughs for precisely that reason.
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Old 17-09-2016, 11:22
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I think if you look back on your recent posts addressed to me, you are the one being confrontational, and now you're implying I'm not 'nice and friendly' just because I gave a different opinion to the one you have. And people wonder why I said this thread seems like a clique.

Not everyone listens to soaps for the same reasons; I liked the recent drama and don't want to be comforted by a soap - I want to be excited. So when this storyline dies down, yes I probably will stop listening, and pick it up again when a character I know does something interesting in the future. I do find it hard to understand how Linda Snell displays any traits that go beyond caricature though - she's played for laughs for precisely that reason.
I am not being confrontational. I did not say you were not nice and friendly. I said the people of this thread were "universally" nice and friendly. If you have inferred you were excluded from the description, then I am sorry about that but I don't know why you would come to such a conclusion.

All I have said is that you don't appear to like this show very much. That is your perogative. I do like the show very much and have done so for more than 40 years. I have no desire or need to defend it to people who don't like it. So I am sorry Josh we will just have to agree to differ.
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Old 17-09-2016, 11:30
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I am not being confrontational. I did not say you were not nice and friendly. I said the people of this thread were "universally" nice and friendly. If you have inferred you were excluded from the description, then I am sorry about that but I don't know why you would come to such a conclusion.

All I have said is that you don't appear to like this show very much. That is your perogative. I do like the show very much and have done so for more than 40 years. I have no desire or need to defend it to people who don't like it. So I am sorry Josh we will just have to agree to differ.
I don't actively DISlike it, otherwise I wouldn't come back; I just get bored with parts of it. The Tom and Kirsty thing might keep up my interest for a while, but I hope we haven't heard the last of Rob, from a drama point of view.
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Old 17-09-2016, 11:51
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In here its just nice and Archery. Time for elevensies I think. Home made ginger biscuit anyone?
I bet the tea is cold by now but I'd love a ginger biscuit. Thanks for the offer. It's just so nice in here.
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Old 17-09-2016, 12:31
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I think Kirsty and new Tom will eventually marry but this time Kirtsty will call the shots and Tom will be the one on tenderhooks.
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Old 17-09-2016, 12:35
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I think Kirsty and new Tom will eventually marry but this time Kirtsty will call the shots and Tom will be the one on tenderhooks.
Hope so.
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Old 17-09-2016, 12:55
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I think Kirsty and new Tom will eventually marry but this time Kirtsty will call the shots and Tom will be the one on tenderhooks.
Well I think it fair to say new Tom is a very different person to old Tom. But to be fair I don't have such a problem with this as I did with Pat's out of character behaviour. I think the story line has covered to some degree Tom's metamorphosus.

We have seen a window into his psyche that pointed us at his sense of living in his dead brother's shadow and the idea that he was driven by a sense of duty towards fulfilling John's legacy; one that he felt he could never live up to. I think that is quite a believable 'condition' for a surviving younger brother to be burdened with.

Leaving Kirsty at the alter seemed to bring that to a head and the feeling to the fore (not to mention providing a good opportunity to nip off to Canada for a voice transplant - grrrrr). Then he comes back to his Dad's accident and his sister stabbing her husband.

So the fact that we are left with a softer, less work obsessed, less self centred Tom doesn't unduly bother me. The boy grew up and life shaped him. Seems a very reasonable character development to me.
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Old 17-09-2016, 12:55
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I hope we're going to have plenty of Ian and Adam in the coming weeks. I want Ian to give sleazy Adam hell.

The Grange Farm lot should be mostly left in peace for a while, to rebuild themselves or whatever - I've had enough of them for now. It's been quite a strain having to root for moody misery Helin and I'm ready for some fun now.
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Old 17-09-2016, 13:14
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I loved, loved, loved the character assassination of Rob The Rotter and the supervised access by Pat and/or Tony was the icing on the cake.

I don't think he will be able to hold it together from now on.
Good.
Suffer you barsteward.
It was very much fun .
He can be with Jack, and squeal 'Gideonnnn!' while Pat and Tony sit there glaring at him.
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Old 17-09-2016, 13:23
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It was very much fun .
He can be with Jack, and squeal 'Gideonnnn!' while Pat and Tony sit there glaring at him.
#Awkward
I can hardly wait for morning. My Sunday fix is going to be glorious. I am so tempted to have an aural peek - so far resisting!
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Old 17-09-2016, 13:26
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I can hardly wait for morning. My Sunday fix is going to be glorious. I am so tempted to have an aural peek - so far resisting!
You will be dancing round your ironing board An



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Old 17-09-2016, 13:28
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I can hardly wait for morning. My Sunday fix is going to be glorious. I am so tempted to have an aural peek - so far resisting!
I'm usually a Sunday Omnibus Edition girl but not for the last couple of weeks. It's not always convenient to listen live at 7.00pm but for the last couple of weeks I have had a new bed partner, my i-pod
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Old 17-09-2016, 13:34
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I'm usually a Sunday Omnibus Edition girl but not for the last couple of weeks. It's not always convenient to listen live at 7.00pm but for the last couple of weeks I have had a new bed partner, my i-pod
I have snuck in a few 7pm episodes in recent weeks too. I try to resist - but I am weak!
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Old 17-09-2016, 16:19
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Fair enough. You have lived there long enough to have had access to the same information that we have. Clearly you don't much care for the show which is absolutely fine.

BIB No. I don't intend to get into some academic discussion about how the characters are more than caricature. I don't feel any need to do that. I enjoy the Archers just as it is and has always been. I used to love Coronation Street for the same reasons, but haven't watched it in years.

The Archer's is the only remaining bastion of a soap that really is about the minutiae of life. That's what I love about it. I come to this thread to talk about it with other universally nice and friendly people who also love the show, not to defend it to people who don't.

If I want combat and confrontation I go out there>>>>>

In here its just nice and Archery. Time for elevensies I think. Home made ginger biscuit anyone?
Didn't it used to go by the line "stories of everyday country folk" or something.
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Old 17-09-2016, 16:41
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Didn't it used to go by the line "stories of everyday country folk" or something.
Yes - then they changed it to 'Contemporary drama in a rural setting.'
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Old 17-09-2016, 18:41
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I think Kirsty and new Tom will eventually marry but this time Kirtsty will call the shots and Tom will be the one on tenderhooks.
An apt misnomer when used in a romantic relationship!
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Old 17-09-2016, 18:43
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I am waiting for Susan's take on the turn of events about that "nice Mr Titchener".
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Old 17-09-2016, 19:19
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I am waiting for Susan's take on the turn of events about that "nice Mr Titchener".
That is going to be a cracker!

I am looking forward to the gradual demise of Rob as he will have to stay locally if he wants to have those short visits from Jack. Villagers will be steering clear of him I suspect and he will become very isolated.

New Tom and Kirsty getting together is great though I do not think there will be wedding bells for a few years, after the last fiasco! I wish I could take to New Tom, he doesn't quite cut the mustard as far as I am concerned!
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Old 17-09-2016, 19:33
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[quote=Anne_Cameron;83962213]That is going to be a cracker!

I am looking forward to the gradual demise of Rob as he will have to stay locally if he wants to have those short visits from Jack. Villagers will be steering clear of him I suspect and he will become very isolated.

New Tom and Kirsty getting together is great though I do not think there will be wedding bells for a few years, after the last fiasco! I wish I could take to New Tom, he doesn't quite cut the mustard as far as I am concerned![/QUOTE]

No me neither. I was quite happy with old Tom (and old Tony for that matter).
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