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Old 10-10-2016, 07:15
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They do start so much later than other universities, and their terms are shorter, but they pack the work in while they're there. My daughter has a friend who is just starting her third year at Cambridge, and even though she's naturally clever and passes exams easily, she's finding it quite pressurised. I bet she'll still get a double first though (she got a first in her second year)
I was up in Oxford last week with my daughter and the freshers were just relaxing, chillin' out ( that's what they say isn't it) and finding their way around.

Met a lovely young guy with his mum and his accompanying guide dog. He was a music student and the duo were taking in the atmosphere and the new smells. We were stood right outside Lush and close to a wonderful coffee shop near the North tower so perfumes were abundant.
We had my daughters trainee guide dog puppy with us too so we all had a good old natter. So much for not interrupting guide dogs while they are working...
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Old 10-10-2016, 07:57
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I know - went through the rigours myself.
Full term is absolutely bonkers. Full-blown essay every week, with associated supervisions, not to mention general tripos studies.
I liked the two weeks bookended at either ends of 'full term' (this longer period being known as simply 'term') as it did give you a breather and time just to 'be'.

Happy happy times... if mostly chaotic!
What did you study?
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Old 10-10-2016, 09:00
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I was up in Oxford last week with my daughter and the freshers were just relaxing, chillin' out ( that's what they say isn't it) and finding their way around.

Met a lovely young guy with his mum and his accompanying guide dog. He was a music student and the duo were taking in the atmosphere and the new smells. We were stood right outside Lush and close to a wonderful coffee shop near the North tower so perfumes were abundant.
We had my daughters trainee guide dog puppy with us too so we all had a good old natter. So much for not interrupting guide dogs while they are working...
sounds great. I really feel you can be energised by visiting a university town (in the daytime!). Bright young things everywere - there's a buzz.

Love Oxford. Love Cambridge more. It's more compact. The vernacular background architecture is very east anglia - but then socking great colleges everywhere. I love the whole sweep of them from Magdalene down to Peterhouse
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Old 10-10-2016, 09:01
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What did you study?
Classics (and Theology)
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Old 10-10-2016, 11:34
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Classics (and Theology)
Nice, more of a science-girl myself, so can't really make a more appropriate response.
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Old 10-10-2016, 12:38
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I started to chat up a girl at a uni disco once but slipped up when I thought she meant she was a student surveyor when she said she was taking theology.
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Old 10-10-2016, 12:50
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Classics (and Theology)
My friend did Theology at Oxford (St Edmund Hall). Smartarse got a first, as well.

He ended up being a librarian, and his parents were rather disappointed.
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Old 10-10-2016, 13:10
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I started to chat up a girl at a uni disco once but slipped up when I thought she meant she was a student surveyor when she said she was taking theology.
Classic!
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Old 10-10-2016, 13:22
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My friend did Theology at Oxford (St Edmund Hall). Smartarse got a first, as well.

He ended up being a librarian, and his parents were rather disappointed.
Yeah theology doesn't lead anywhere specific unless you want to go into the priesthood etc. Some people I know who studied it are now city bankers, management consultants, civil servants.
I did Classics mainly.
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Old 10-10-2016, 13:29
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Yeah theology doesn't lead anywhere specific unless you want to go into the priesthood etc. Some people I know who studied it are now city bankers, management consultants, civil servants.
I did Classics mainly.
The thing Theology seemed to do for the few students that I came across was to either turn them into or confirm them as ardent atheists
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Old 10-10-2016, 14:17
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The thing Theology seemed to do for the few students that I came across was to either turn them into or confirm them as ardent atheists
Yes maybe but ones that could think, reason, research, make connections, find relationships between seemingly disconneted bits of data, evaluate outcomes, present them cogently etc etc. Skills that we seem to no longer value as we once did.
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Old 10-10-2016, 19:26
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Pip had no business inviting Toby without asking if it was ok. A family tea is just that, family. Just because Toby is Pip's current horizontal jogging partner doesn't make him family.
Maybe, but Jill still behaved pretty badly imo. She came across as rude and demented.


Poor Johnny

I wonder how he'll break the news to Tom - he could buy him a foot spray and insist he uses it I suppose.
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Old 11-10-2016, 14:05
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I am inclined to agree with you. I wouldn't bring a guest to a party given in honour of someone, without asking if they would extent the invitation to my plus 1. I think Pip was unacceptably presumptious.

I know it flies in the face of orthodoxy but my sympathy is with Jill. I think she is perfectly within her rights to choose who she wants to share her special day with. And I liked that she expressed her misgivings rather than adopting a silent, powerless, martydom to keep others happy, as I suspect older people often do.


What I would critisice her for is not talking about her concerns about Toby and her history with the Fairbrother's with Pip and indeed the others in the family. They aren't to know that she always felt she lived in the shadow of Grace's ghost (assume this is the root of the problem - before my time so I don't really know) and may not have remembered that another generation of Fairbrothers treated Jill's daughter shabbily.

If she articulated her concerns it may help her to come to terms with the past as well. So for that reason she would be wise to do so. However she can be forgiven for having her blind spots, as do we all.
I totally agree with you and found Pip's behaviour totally unacceptable.

She is rapidly turning into an opinionated, selfish madam in the exact same vein as Helen.(To be fair, her behaviour is much better now since her ordeal.)
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Old 11-10-2016, 15:59
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It's interesting that there are two opposing views on whether or not Jill should have complained or not about Toby going to her party without an invitation. I wonder if it's a generational thing? I know I wouldn't have dreamed of inviting a boyfriend along to any of my grandparents' birthdays without asking them.
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Old 11-10-2016, 16:10
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It's interesting that there are two opposing views on whether or not Jill should have complained or not about Toby going to her party without an invitation. I wonder if it's a generational thing? I know I wouldn't have dreamed of inviting a boyfriend along to any of my grandparents' birthdays without asking them.

It's just basic manners really! A quick check with Jill that it was OK to bring Toby to the party or at the very least to have asked Ruth to sound Jill out on the matter, would have avoided any unnecessary unpleasantness.
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Old 11-10-2016, 17:49
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It's just basic manners really! A quick check with Jill that it was OK to bring Toby to the party or at the very least to have asked Ruth to sound Jill out on the matter, would have avoided any unnecessary unpleasantness.

Pip probably should have checked if it was ok to bring Toby, but she didn't, and of course Jill had a right to object, but she needn't have been so rude to Toby, or Pip. There are polite ways of expressing most sentiments. Jill hasn't really given any good reasons for her antipathy towards Toby either.

I think the very sensible Carol Tregorran agrees with me
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Old 11-10-2016, 17:55
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Pip probably should have checked if it was ok to bring Toby, but she didn't, and of course Jill had a right to object, but she needn't have been so rude to Toby, or Pip. There are polite ways of expressing most sentiments. Jill hasn't really given any good reasons for her antipathy towards Toby either.

I think the very sensible Carol Tregorran agrees with me
Jill keeps denying that it has nothing to do with Grace or Rex and Toby's father (Robin)? She had an utter dislike of Toby, so what on earth is the reason for such bitterness?
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Old 11-10-2016, 18:27
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It's interesting that there are two opposing views on whether or not Jill should have complained or not about Toby going to her party without an invitation. I wonder if it's a generational thing? I know I wouldn't have dreamed of inviting a boyfriend along to any of my grandparents' birthdays without asking them.
I think it's more down to personal temperment.
With some people you could have invited anyone as they are 'the more the merrier' types. Some people are more comfortable with just immediate family.
Pip probably did the wrong thing, but as she said, Jill has alwyas been supportive of her with regards to boyfriends, even when her parents weren't keen. Why would she have reason to assume Jill would be so set against Toby?

Bad form from Pip, but also a silly overreaction from Jill.
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Old 12-10-2016, 16:33
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Jill keeps denying that it has nothing to do with Grace or Rex and Toby's father (Robin)? She had an utter dislike of Toby, so what on earth is the reason for such bitterness?
Well she may not be acknowledging the root causes for her dislike.

Or she simply not like him and view him as a player and a ner do well who has his hooks into PIp because she is the daughter of landowners he percieves to be wealthy. Or maybe that just what I think and why I don't like him.

And I really don't like him and I suspect few of you do either. Its just all our energy has been so taken up with disliking Rob, that Toby's sins have passed by in that slip stream. Mark my words he will turn out to be a bounder and a cad!
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Old 12-10-2016, 17:29
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Well she may not be acknowledging the root causes for her dislike.

Or she simply not like him and view him as a player and a ner do well who has his hooks into PIp because she is the daughter of landowners he percieves to be wealthy. Or maybe that just what I think and why I don't like him.

And I really don't like him and I suspect few of you do either. Its just all our energy has been so taken up with disliking Rob, that Toby's sins have passed by in that slip stream. Mark my words he will turn out to be a bounder and a cad!
I think the latter is very true and astutely observed. Rob and Arse Hag have thoroughly eclipsed lesser rogueries. Things have gone by the wayside.
In more ordinary days the Adam/Ian fracas would have drawn in far more censure, and probably calls for Adam to get his winky jammed in the threshing machine.
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Old 12-10-2016, 18:26
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Well she may not be acknowledging the root causes for her dislike.

Or she simply not like him and view him as a player and a ner do well who has his hooks into PIp because she is the daughter of landowners he percieves to be wealthy. Or maybe that just what I think and why I don't like him.

And I really don't like him and I suspect few of you do either. Its just all our energy has been so taken up with disliking Rob, that Toby's sins have passed by in that slip stream. Mark my words he will turn out to be a bounder and a cad!
I'd started to quite like Toby, and I thought he and Pip were OK together. When he told Rex that Pip had done all the running I was a bit disappointed - so cheap, and not even true as far as I can remember. I was hoping he'd properly fallen for her and they'd surprise everyone and go the distance. You're probably right though - he'll turn out to be a cad and a bounder
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Old 12-10-2016, 18:31
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I drifted off and missed the last couple of lines last night. Is Adam going to try to stop Ian going to Edinburgh?

I hope the sleazy cad gets his winky caught in the threshing machine
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Old 12-10-2016, 19:25
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The Archers is almost back to its old self: llama spit, the hunt, and Roy, Tom and Jazzer going out on the pull.
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Old 13-10-2016, 08:26
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The Archers is almost back to its old self: llama spit, the hunt, and Roy, Tom and Jazzer going out on the pull.
Life is good...
Been out of the loop for a few days so it's a treat to be back in the real world of old Archerland. I'm guessing that the normality will lose a few of the more recent "listeners"
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Old 13-10-2016, 09:06
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Adam to Kate: "I wanted to be faithful......."

It wasn't just the once, Adam - what did you expect ? I hope Iain makes a go of it in Edinburgh and finds a nice faithful Scotsman to link up with.
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