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Old 03-04-2016, 19:27
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Ding dong the b*st*rd's dead!!!!

I think self-defence and protecting Henry would be good grounds for defence.
What happened? I missed it.
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Old 03-04-2016, 19:30
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What happened? I missed it.
She told him she was leaving, so he got a knife out of a drawer and goaded her by saying the only way he'd let her go was if she killed herself. Henry came into the room and she tried to protect Henry. There was a bit of a barney and I think the knife slipped into Rob accidentally.
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Old 03-04-2016, 19:50
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She told him she was leaving, so he got a knife out of a drawer and goaded her by saying the only way he'd let her go was if she killed herself. Henry came into the room and she tried to protect Henry. There was a bit of a barney and I think the knife slipped into Rob accidentally.
So she will be done for murder. Her Parents will say he has been so good to her.
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Old 03-04-2016, 19:58
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So she will be done for murder. Her Parents will say he has been so good to her.
More likely charged with manslaughter, and she's got a good defence - so I think she'll get off with it being self-defence. She can call Kirsty and Jess as witnesses, as well as the helpline she phoned. In order for it to be murder you have to prove intention, and she had no intention to kill.
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Old 03-04-2016, 20:09
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I think Rob is still very alive because on the Archers website he's credited along with Helen ,Ursula and Bruce for the 8th April. http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b075thgx
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Old 03-04-2016, 20:14
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I think Rob is still very alive because on the Archers website he's credited along with Helen ,Ursula and Bruce for the 8th April. http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b075thgx
I hope so, then he will have to answer for his actions.
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Old 03-04-2016, 22:02
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I hope so, then he will have to answer for his actions.
I hope so too, but only because it means Helen can't be charged with murder.
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Old 03-04-2016, 23:54
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I have my doubts that he's dead.

Did she stab him twice? He said "Helen put the knife down" after she stabbed him, then she screamed and he fell down.
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Old 04-04-2016, 00:01
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Ding dong the b*st*rd's dead!!!!

I think self-defence and protecting Henry would be good grounds for defence.
I wouldn't be sure. There have been too many witnesses to Helen's 'insanity' recently. There are many people who worship Rob and will be only too willing to believe the worst of Helen.

In addition, we don't know the outcome of Sunday's episode (I don't want to give the game away for those who are yet to listen!) as yet, so there could still be twists and turns to come.

I can't wait for the next episode! Tonight I found myself wanting it to be a double episode!!!
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Old 04-04-2016, 00:05
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Just in and had to hear it.

Who saw that one coming?
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Old 04-04-2016, 07:36
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Just in and had to hear it.

Who saw that one coming?
I didn't. I was still laughing at some of the things Rob said during the row - he was super monstrous last night wasn't he?

I expect Pat will think the worst of Helen, and think she stabbed the sinister one because she's off her rocker. (Remember when she turned against Tom for jilting Bridezilla at the altar?)

There's enough evidence out there that Rob was abusing Helen for her (eventually) not to be convicted of murder, but the prosecution will have a decent case too so it won't be plain sailing. I can't imagine she'll get bail so Helen will have plenty of time to think about what a prat she's been and what it's led to.

If Rob really is dead then I shall miss him He got what he deserved last night, but Helen deserves what will be coming to her too (for being a weak-minded fool ). I wouldn't care if I never heard Helen's voice again, but I've really enjoyed listening to Rob being so dastardly

RIP Sinister One - you played a blinder.
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Old 04-04-2016, 07:58
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Two of Helen's men have ended up in an early grave now - does that make her a femme fatale?
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Old 04-04-2016, 08:14
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So she will be done for murder. Her Parents will say he has been so good to her.
I felt it was always going to end with one of them being murdered. I do hope Kirsty and Jess come to her defence, she also has the number of the lady she spoke to at the helpline. I can not believe how blind her mother is being though.
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Old 04-04-2016, 08:31
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They've just said on Today that he was stabbed then.

Oh dear - guess this os where it descends into farce. He'll recover and try and get her sectioned. Bridge Farm Archers will side with him because he's 'been so good to Helen' etc.

What a mess. Can it please be over so I can get my soap back
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Old 04-04-2016, 08:33
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I felt it was always going to end with one of them being murdered. I do hope Kirsty and Jess come to her defence, she also has the number of the lady she spoke to at the helpline. I can not believe how blind her mother is being though.
No - it's almost as if they'd deliberately rewritten her as a dimwit for the sake of the plot, isn't it?
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Old 04-04-2016, 09:06
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They've just said on Today that he was stabbed then.

Oh dear - guess this os where it descends into farce. He'll recover and try and get her sectioned. Bridge Farm Archers will side with him because he's 'been so good to Helen' etc.

What a mess. Can it please be over so I can get my soap back
Agreed. Wrong platform. Wrong character. Which made it unbelievable and therefore. unlistenable at the same time.

At least it has come to its denouement. Whatever happens (and their are still multiple ways it can resolve itself it will mean that one or both characters will be gone.

The best that can happen is that Helen returns as the feisty, strong willed, intelligent woman we know.

I just hope that the powers that be don't look at the "reaction" and decide to turn the Archers into Eastenders in the country.
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Old 04-04-2016, 09:18
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I wouldn't be sure. There have been too many witnesses to Helen's 'insanity' recently. There are many people who worship Rob and will be only too willing to believe the worst of Helen.
But equally she has Kirsty who knows something isn't right, the woman she spoke to on the helpline and Jess who would all be called for the defence. Helen has confided in them, whereas nobody else knows what's been going on behind closed doors. I wonder if anyone will ask Henry what Rob's been like to him.
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Old 04-04-2016, 09:26
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But equally she has Kirsty who knows something isn't right, the woman she spoke to on the helpline and Jess who would all be called for the defence. Helen has confided in them, whereas nobody else knows what's been going on behind closed doors. I wonder if anyone will ask Henry what Rob's been like to him.
I would say almost certainly, the family will tread very carefully with him but the police and the Courts are [sadly] well acquainted with events such as this, and will proceed cautiously when talking to Henry. Otherwise, did Helen leave her name and details when she called the Help Line?
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Old 04-04-2016, 09:40
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I would say almost certainly, the family will tread very carefully with him but the police and the Courts are [sadly] well acquainted with events such as this, and will proceed cautiously when talking to Henry. Otherwise, did Helen leave her name and details when she called the Help Line?
The Help Line gave Helen a reference number which she could quote if she rang again. So presumably they have a record of the call somewhere.
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Old 04-04-2016, 09:42
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The Help Line gave Helen a reference number which she could quote if she rang again. So presumably they have a record of the call somewhere.
Thanks.
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Old 04-04-2016, 09:43
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After listening to the Archers from about the age of fifteen, I couldn't stand it any more about six months ago.
I detested bloody Carol, Helen, Henry, Rob, Shula (and her boasting about Dan's passing out parade) Lillian, Linda............oh what the heck. I detested each and every one of them........and don't get me started on Susan and Peggy either.

I did catch about five minutes last week and decided to give The Omnibus a go yesterday and have been sucked in again. So I reckon this little corner of DS might be frequented by me..........if you'll have me.

The only thing wrong with last night is that Helen didn't stab herself at the end and we would have been shot of both of them.
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Old 04-04-2016, 09:51
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There was that awful silence for a few seconds when we didn't know whether it was Helen or Rob who had been stabbed!
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Old 04-04-2016, 09:54
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Agreed. Wrong platform. Wrong character. Which made it unbelievable and therefore. unlistenable at the same time.

At least it has come to its denouement. Whatever happens (and their are still multiple ways it can resolve itself it will mean that one or both characters will be gone.

The best that can happen is that Helen returns as the feisty, strong willed, intelligent woman we know.

I just hope that the powers that be don't look at the "reaction" and decide to turn the Archers into Eastenders in the country.
The insufferable Sean O'Connor has made sufficient waves to get noticed, and he's off to produce Eastenders now. His tenure as custodian of the Archers has certainly proved an effective steeping stone.
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Old 04-04-2016, 10:47
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After listening to the Archers from about the age of fifteen, I couldn't stand it any more about six months ago.
I detested bloody Carol, Helen, Henry, Rob, Shula (and her boasting about Dan's passing out parade) Lillian, Linda............oh what the heck. I detested each and every one of them........and don't get me started on Susan and Peggy either.

I did catch about five minutes last week and decided to give The Omnibus a go yesterday and have been sucked in again. So I reckon this little corner of DS might be frequented by me..........if you'll have me.

The only thing wrong with last night is that Helen didn't stab herself at the end and we would have been shot of both of them.


I wasn't sure what he meant at first when he gave her the knife - was it to kill herself or him? Stabbing yourself to death seems an unlikely way to commit suicide, though I guess Helen could have cut her wrists, or fallen on the knife like an Ancient Roman.

I'm wondering if Rob is actually dead - maybe he came round

Whether Rob survived or not Ursula will be as mad as hell - I bet she'll be saying some terrible things about Helen.
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Old 04-04-2016, 10:56
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I wasn't sure what he meant at first when he gave her the knife - was it to kill herself or him? Stabbing yourself to death seems an unlikely way to commit suicide, though I guess Helen could have cut her wrists, or fallen on the knife like an Ancient Roman.

I'm wondering if Rob is actually dead - maybe he came round

Whether Rob survived or not Ursula will be as mad as hell - I bet she'll be saying some terrible things about Helen.
If Rob is still alive and Helen is still an obnoxious bitch, I'll have to give up on it again.
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