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Old 04-04-2016, 22:42
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My goodness. I've just listened to yesterday's and today's eps and thought they were truly chilling. How much more tense and terrifying those scenes are when you have to create the images in your own mind. My stomach is in knots and I'm going to have to de-stress with an episode of Homes Under the Hammer to calm me down before bed.
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Old 04-04-2016, 22:58
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My goodness. I've just listened to yesterday's and today's eps and thought they were truly chilling. How much more tense and terrifying those scenes are when you have to create the images in your own mind. My stomach is in knots and I'm going to have to de-stress with an episode of Homes Under the Hammer to calm me down before bed.
Thats hilarious 😂
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Old 04-04-2016, 23:51
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Helen was really panicky when Kirsty found he wasn't dead leaving no doubt that at least after the event she wanted him to be dead.
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Old 05-04-2016, 00:15
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Helen was really panicky when Kirsty found he wasn't dead leaving no doubt that at least after the event she wanted him to be dead.
I bet she did Imagine how cross he'll be with her for stabbing him when he comes round.
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Old 05-04-2016, 00:25
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"Remember, we talked about this darling. You are the one who was supposed to get stabbed!"

"Of course, I am sorry, silly me!"

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Old 05-04-2016, 01:34
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I'm gutted he is still alive..........and Helen too.

I don't think I can cope with either of them and may have to bow out again.

On another note the standard of acting was exceptional and both 'Helen' and 'Rob' were superb and 100% believable.
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Old 05-04-2016, 08:42
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''The Rob and Helen effect?

"From February last year to February this year we saw a 20% increase in calls to the National Domestic Abuse Helpline, which we think is in part down to the 'Archers' effect'," says Polly Neate, chief executive of the charity Women's Aid.

Sandra Horley - chief executive of the charity Refuge - agrees. "Women listening may realise they are not alone. I don't think it's too much to say that this storyline has saved lives as women reach out and seek help." Both Women's Aid and Refuge advised the BBC during the storyline. ''


http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-35961057
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Old 05-04-2016, 09:03
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''The Rob and Helen effect?

"From February last year to February this year we saw a 20% increase in calls to the National Domestic Abuse Helpline, which we think is in part down to the 'Archers' effect'," says Polly Neate, chief executive of the charity Women's Aid.

Sandra Horley - chief executive of the charity Refuge - agrees. "Women listening may realise they are not alone. I don't think it's too much to say that this storyline has saved lives as women reach out and seek help." Both Women's Aid and Refuge advised the BBC during the storyline. ''


http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-35961057
That's good + listeners have raised £100k for the cause.

Im not so sure the denouement of the story will prove to be as helpful.
Sounds like it has resulted in melodrama, wailing, and a stern female copper.

The real triumph would have been Helen taking control, packing her bags, and taking herself and Henry off to a shelter, then confiding in her parents and friends so that Rob would be either hounded out of the village or beaten up.
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Old 05-04-2016, 09:10
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That's good + listeners have raised £100k for the cause.

Im not so sure the denouement of the story will prove to be as helpful.
Sounds like it has resulted in melodrama, wailing, and a stern female copper.

The real triumph would have been Helen taking control, packing her bags, and taking herself and Henry off to a shelter, then confiding in her parents and friends so that Rob would be either hounded out of the village or beaten up.
You're right about the wailing - I'm a bit noise-phobic and I found Helen's loud snivelling throughout last night's episode almost unbearable, (though understandable I suppose ). I managed to stick it through till the end though.
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Old 05-04-2016, 09:12
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"Remember, we talked about this darling. You are the one who was supposed to get stabbed!"

"Of course, I am sorry, silly me!"

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Old 05-04-2016, 09:22
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That's good + listeners have raised £100k for the cause.

Im not so sure the denouement of the story will prove to be as helpful.
Sounds like it has resulted in melodrama, wailing, and a stern female copper.

The real triumph would have been Helen taking control, packing her bags, and taking herself and Henry off to a shelter, then confiding in her parents and friends so that Rob would be either hounded out of the village or beaten up.
That wouldn't have been realistic with all her confidence gone.
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Old 05-04-2016, 09:22
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Is that really what happens in domestic abuse? After hearing that treatment of Helen, how many women will just put up with it and do nothing.Who will believe Helen now. He has lied to all her family about her mental state.
I would say it's the template. Woman put up with such treatment because their abuser knows how to give and withdraw "love" and abuse in equal measure, it practically always follows the same pattern, man sweeps woman off her feet making her believe she is secure, loved and special and slowly, slowly the poison drips in.Of course not all women will put up with this, the abuser chooses very carefully.
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Old 05-04-2016, 09:22
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I was listening to it today with tears in my eyes, poor Helen, it was heartbreaking listening to her. That woman police officer was bloody uncaring (but played by a great actress).
Me too! I was holding my breath! The woman police officer is Alison Newman who plays DI Samantha Keeble in Eastenders (I recognised the voice).
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Old 05-04-2016, 09:28
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That wouldn't have been realistic with all her confidence gone.
That's right, there is no way that could or would happen. To destroy another person's confidence is the ultimate aim of any controller. It's never happened to me but I have seen it happen to others, more than once, the person in control will not listen, they truly believe everything they say and do is correct and if the other person does not adhere to their wishes they have to be brought to book.
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Old 05-04-2016, 12:41
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I would say it's the template. Woman put up with such treatment because their abuser knows how to give and withdraw "love" and abuse in equal measure, it practically always follows the same pattern, man sweeps woman off her feet making her believe she is secure, loved and special and slowly, slowly the poison drips in.Of course not all women will put up with this, the abuser chooses very carefully.
That's so true. It's all about power and control, and that includes using the victim's children to establish power and control.
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Old 05-04-2016, 12:46
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The real triumph would have been Helen taking control, packing her bags, and taking herself and Henry off to a shelter, then confiding in her parents and friends so that Rob would be either hounded out of the village or beaten up.
I was hoping that would be the outcome too, but I fear that's unrealistic. Sometimes social services will become involved because a child is being affected, and the victim opts to take control when the alternative is a child being taken into care, but more often than not they don't take control until they're hospitalised or an assault is so serious that the police act even if the victim doesn't agree.
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Old 05-04-2016, 14:07
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That's good + listeners have raised £100k for the cause.

Im not so sure the denouement of the story will prove to be as helpful.
Sounds like it has resulted in melodrama, wailing, and a stern female copper.

The real triumph would have been Helen taking control, packing her bags, and taking herself and Henry off to a shelter, then confiding in her parents and friends so that Rob would be either hounded out of the village or beaten up.
Yes this is nearer the conclusion I'd have wanted.

That wouldn't have been realistic with all her confidence gone.
The thing is Helen never had any confidence. She is basically a weak character. When Rob was saying all she wanted was a man like him to take control there was actually some truth in it It appears Rob is the type of abuser that preys on desperate women and moulds them however what became decent in this story line IE Helen deciding she'd leave and finally taking control sadly fell apart. It is drama after all and they are applauding themselves for getting a message out so it might have been nice for her to be able to walk away and him crumble just a bit.

I haven't found much believable about this story other than Rob's clever manipularions. I couldn't buy Jess being a victim of him as she came across as so in control and I couldn't buy Helen's parents more or less leaving Rob to it So if we have to suspend belief it would have been heartening to do so to have an uplifting end to it.

It's going to be almost unbearable now having Helen at the centre of an unfair justice system. I really don't like the character and don't think I can cope with anymore of her wailing
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Old 05-04-2016, 15:14
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It would be nice for the sake of the hundreds of Helens if she gets some justice. I don't particularly like the character but I would like to see the storyline have an impact on how domestic violence is seen in this country.
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Old 05-04-2016, 17:45
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Me too! I was holding my breath! The woman police officer is Alison Newman who plays DI Samantha Keeble in Eastenders (I recognised the voice).
I thought it was her! She's a bit out of her usual duristriction isn't she?!

I've just had a thought, didn't Helen say she would kill Rob if he tried to send Henry away? It was in front of Pat and Ursula. I can feel argument for premeditation coming on.
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Old 05-04-2016, 20:29
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I thought it was her! She's a bit out of her usual duristriction isn't she?!

I've just had a thought, didn't Helen say she would kill Rob if he tried to send Henry away? It was in front of Pat and Ursula. I can feel argument for premeditation coming on.
Forgot about that but tonight it would appear the police do seem to be going down the premeditation route asking Kirsty about the pay as you go mobile she bought Helen and about the agreed arrangement for Kirsty to pick her up
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Old 05-04-2016, 20:43
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It would be nice for the sake of the hundreds of Helens if she gets some justice. I don't particularly like the character but I would like to see the storyline have an impact on how domestic violence is seen in this country.
I don't like the way she is being treated now. Not much kindness for her.
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Old 05-04-2016, 20:58
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Forgot about that but tonight it would appear the police do seem to be going down the premeditation route asking Kirsty about the pay as you go mobile she bought Helen and about the agreed arrangement for Kirsty to pick her up
Helen is done for I fear.
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Old 05-04-2016, 21:14
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Helen is done for I fear.
No don't fret it will come out OK. We will go through the mill with her for months, I have no doubt, but ultimately she will prevail. Otherwise the purpose of encouraging people in situations of domestic coersion/violence to seek support will be defeated.
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Old 05-04-2016, 21:34
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No don't fret it will come out OK. We will go through the mill with her for months, I have no doubt, but ultimately she will prevail. Otherwise the purpose of encouraging people in situations of domestic coersion/violence to seek support will be defeated.
That's true . Last night's episode was particularly horrible to listen to. I'm hoping Pat and Tony will support Helen without doubting her at all.
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Old 05-04-2016, 22:21
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I'm gutted he is still alive..........and Helen too.

I don't think I can cope with either of them and may have to bow out again.

On another note the standard of acting was exceptional and both 'Helen' and 'Rob' were superb and 100% believable.
Absolutely agree. Helen (real actresses name escapes me) was brilliant. So convincing and each episode traumatic to listen to but compelling.
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