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GMTV: The reason VWS were voted out
Don't know if any of you caught this morning's GMTV but one of the "experts" said that he thought VWS had lost out on Saturday because they are black.
Personally that infuriates me as it suggests that the British public are a bunch of racists, even if it is subconscious. Anyone else have a view on this? I think that VWS were one of the best "acts" in the finals of the competition, amazing voices and certainly more deserving of a final place than the majority of the others. I put their relative failure (consistently in bottom 3) down to them being larger ladies approaching middle age - as they were competing purely on their amazing voices, rather than a lot of the others who would have a percentage of voters going for their "gorgeous" looks, and also those acts who to an extent are trading on a sympathy vote and background story. I have watched X Factor all the way through and know next to nothing about the VWS girls, but have read chapter and verse about Rowetta's past, Tabby's son, Steve's sex appeal (? I don't see it!) etc. etc. I hope they get signed as I'm sure there's a market for their style - the girls have absolutely blossomed during their time on the show and I'd much rather listen to and watch them than suffer another one of Steve's weak ballads or Cassie's poor tuning. |
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The only reason VWS got voted out was because they were the least favourite with the public three weeks running. It infuriates me too, the cry "it's because they are black" it's an easy get out. (BTW what colour is Rowetta, who seems to be very popular - sky blue pink?
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The only reason VWS got voted out was because they were the least favourite with the public three weeks running. It infuriates me too, the cry "it's because they are black" it's an easy get out. (BTW what colour is Rowetta, who seems to be very popular - sky blue pink?
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I don't think they were voted out because they were black. Although I do think that they wouldn't even have got through the first audition if they'd been white. I felt in the first 3 shows that they were competing with their voices and it just didn't sound good. It was only with Lady Marmalade that Hildia took the lead and in my opinion produced a much better performance from them. Their style of music doesn't really have mass appeal but I am convinced there is a niche market for them and hope that they get a recording contract.
Btw Hildia has been a backing singer with Depeche Mode and has toured with them. She has also appeared in the West End and is regarded as a Gospel Star. Try googling Hildia Campbell. |
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Y'know, if someone had said that someone had been voted out because they were white, people wouldn't give it the time of day.
How about they went because they had been weak for ages, there voices didn't suit singing as a trio, and they were poor performers. Typical bulls**t that ill informed 'experts' spout out when they have nothing but misguided views and incomprehensible inferiority complexes. Did the duo (there name escapes me) get voted out because he was blind? Did Verity go because she was (in context with who she was against) old? Absolute mindless gobsh*te, and the fewer of these 'experts' on TV the better. |
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I KNEW the "black" thing would come up; Well as someone has pointed out, if there were 3 overweight white women, would they haven even gotten this far? NO WAY! The band is called "voices with soul" but i didnt hear a single instance of soul from any of them, but for some reason we associate soul with black, as Sharon pointed out the other day when she told steve to stop trying to sing like a black person cos he aint got soul.. WTF!?
Fact is, the race card has gotten VWS this far, they should be grateful! And as said above, what about Rowetta!? The reason they didnt do well is because as a band, and comparing them to all the other bands and girl vocal groups on the market at the moment, they suck. Girl Aloud would wipe the floor with them, let alone someone with talent like the Sugababes. Fact is, they wouldnt have succeeded! Also, with regard to the show as a whole, the bands were always gonna get the worst deal; it has nothing to do with Louis (tho he hasnt made things better thats for sure). Shows like this are about the audience connecting with a person, sometimes regardless to talent (eg: FA2 Alistair coming second, whilst Carolynne was 3rd... injustice!). Realistically, the only people who have a chance at a career are the 4 remaining solos, and even then it relly does comes down to how they are managed, and of course, the songs, oh, THE SONGS! Why do the songs seem to be considered as a second rate necessity? I mean Michelle the blimp was releasing some dire, terrible, absolutely crappola stuff! k. |
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The reason they got voted out is because they weren't that good. I was cringing on Saturday watching them, and I hate to say it but I watched some 70's thing with girls from coronation street singing this (or miming to pre-recorded track - lol) and they were better
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.......I`m not surprised Charlotte Church dumped Jonathan Shalit - the man is a complete idiot, blaming VWS getting voted off because they they black!! Their style of singing just didn`t connect as much to an early Saturday evening audience as the others, plus they always seemed to be shouting too much. He did a "Sharon Osbourne", slagging off G4 but then giving them the highest mark in his Daily Express column this morning (9.5/l0) saying they were spectacular! I am also totally fed up of these so called "experts" questioning who would buy G4`s music? THE PEOPLE WHO ARE VOTING FOR THEM EVERY WEEK.......(sorry had to get that off my chest)
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Originally Posted by whip
Did you have access to the voting? they could of been 2nd to the least favourite on each show.
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I think that only Cassie has a chance of repeated success in the singles charts if she is given the right material. The others will all appeal to niche markets and have the potential to do well in those markets. The singles chart isn't really a valid measure of success. If you look at someone like Dominic Kirwan. There's no doubt that he is successful but has he had a hit single?
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Originally Posted by moogester
whip, don't be pedantic - you knew what I meant
![]() Just think the judging should be only on the nights performance and whoever gets voted off should go because of that.Whether you beleeive G4 or VWS was best you have to admit Sharons reasons for getting rid of them were spurious at best. |
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Soul Music IS church music and Brits don’t get church music. I think a large percentage of the public who come on this site and vote on X factor don't have the slightest idea of what Soul sounds like. The fact that soul artistes like Angie Stone and Jill Scott have not made a dent in U.K and are quite big in America is a testament to the fact that Brits just don’t get it, I always laugh at posts that include lines like “VWS have no soul” or “Voices with out Soul” this is written by a public whose idea of soul is stuck in the James Brown years, Soul has moved on since those times but to know soul music and understand it you have to know church music and you have to know African-American church music because that is where is all comes from.
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Sorry it was a bit
Just think the judging should be only on the nights performance and whoever gets voted off should go because of that.Whether you beleeive G4 or VWS was best you have to admit Sharons reasons for getting rid of them were spurious at best. , and I agree with you, ideally it should be on the night's performance, but this late in the series it isn't going to be
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Apology accepted
, and I agree with you, ideally it should be on the night's performance, but this late in the series it isn't going to be ![]() |
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Soul Music IS church music and Brits don’t get church music. I think a large percentage of the public who come on this site and vote on X factor don't have the slightest idea of what Soul sounds like. The fact that soul artistes like Angie Stone and Jill Scott have not made a dent in U.K and are quite big in America is a testament to the fact that Brits just don’t get it, I always laugh at posts that include lines like “VWS have no soul” or “Voices with out Soul” this is written by a public whose idea of soul is stuck in the James Brown years, Soul has moved on since those times but to know soul music and understand it you have to know church music and you have to know African-American church music because that is where is all comes from.
I also do not believe racism factors in them being evicted; its simple connection pure and simple and though I am a connosieur (sp) of black music these ladies left me cold. |
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A small number of viewers may not have voted for them because they are black. Equally some viewers may have voted for them because they are black. Just as Tabby probably gets a larger share of the Irish vote than he does from the rest of the UK I would expect VWS to get a larger vote from the black community than from the rest of the viewers. Since the program is a popularity contest rather than a 'vote off the ones you dislike'. Maybe the white English contestents also benefit from this effect. I'm not sure what the correct term for it is (reverse racism? positive discrimination?).
At the end of the day I think the main reason they were eliminated was they were not vey good. |
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I dont think they were voted out because they are black. They might not have been voted out this week had the final decision been made by the public and not the panellists. The sooner they do away with this idea and bring back the public vote for every act, the better. I hate where the bottom two have to sing again in front of the panellists and then get caught up in the middle of their decision making.
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I'm pretty sure that, if they looked like Destiny's Child, they would still be there. It's prejudice, but not racism.
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They didn't actually get voted out by the public. They just didn't get voted for.
The reason I didn't vote for them was because I found that their harmonising didn't always work, and every week I thought they sounded flat at various points in their tracks. I agree, individually they do all have good voices, I just don't think they were right for what they were doing. I for one wouldn't buy an album of theirs if it was at the same level (although maybe with studio editing it could be made better). |
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I do think they can sing but to be honest, I am bored with them. I don't get it
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i think its a shame if this is true, because voices with soul were one of the best artist in the whole series and to be voted out for that reason is just discusting. i hope they get signed because they are really good and i loved their lady marmalade rendition.
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Originally Posted by jamesrlaming
i think its a shame if this is true, because voices with soul were one of the best artist in the whole series and to be voted out for that reason is just discusting. i hope they get signed because they are really good and i loved their lady marmalade rendition.
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thats why i said if it was true, trouble reading. And anyway, they were still in the bottom two, which meant that they didnt get as many votes as they should have or deserved because they should never have left teh competition this week, they should have been kept in.
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Originally Posted by pennycandle
I am also totally fed up of these so called "experts" questioning who would buy G4`s music? THE PEOPLE WHO ARE VOTING FOR THEM EVERY WEEK.......(sorry had to get that off my chest)
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given how sulky and offended they were when they were placed in the bottom 2 each week I'm not surprised that someone should choose to play the race card on their behalf.An easy card to play in my opinion.I think a lack of talent played a bigger part in them being rejected.Are we to assume that Louis Walsh is a racist because he had the final decision?
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, and I agree with you, ideally it should be on the night's performance, but this late in the series it isn't going to be