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The Hollow Crown (BBC, Shakespeare)
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SULLA
22-07-2012
Originally Posted by the_lostprophet:
“What did people make of the understated Crispin's day speech too? Henry says it to a group of nobles and at the end they just kind of nod - the director seems to have decided to take the vigour out of it. For anyone who hasn't seen the Branagh version, it was done very differently there. Henry spoke to the common soldiers as well - here's a link: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A-yZNMWFqvM Spot a young Christian Bale as well at 2:25.”

I have to admit that I would be more inspired by Kenny even though I thought that last night's speech was very good.
the_lostprophet
22-07-2012
Originally Posted by SULLA:
“I have to admit that I would be more inspired by Kenny even though I thought that last night's speech was very good.”

Yes, Tom Hiddleston did what he could with that speech and I thought he was great overall; presumably it was the director Thea Sharrock who wanted it done in that way.
Killary45
22-07-2012
Originally Posted by KennyT:
“I'm not that old, but we were doing Macbeth and got taken to the cinema to see the Polanski version (I'm convinced our teacher hadn't seen it first!!! - mmmm, Lady M )

K”

When I was in the sixth form we were taken to see Pasolini's Canterbury Tales. If the teacher had seen it before us, then he was being very naughty.
jake lyle
22-07-2012
Quote:
“BBC2 is in talks with producer Neal Street Productions to extend its The Hollow Crown series of Shakespeare adaptations to new plays.

The broadcaster could group together other Shakespeare works in a similar way to the history plays that comprise The Hollow Crown, meaning there could be comedy, Roman, tragedy or romance seasons.

The talks are being led by drama controller Ben Stephenson and BBC2 controller Janice Hadlow, and it is understood that ambitions are not limited to Shakespeare.

Other classic works of drama are being eyed up by the BBC, although details of what may be adapted are being closely guarded. It is thought that an announcement about the strategy could be made at the Edinburgh International Television Festival next month.

The Hollow Crown - comprising Richard II, Henry IV Part I and II, and Henry V - is part of the BBC’s contribution to the London 2012 Festival of the Cultural Olympiad, and has so far averaged 672,300 (3.56%) viewers for each play.

Richard II, starring Ben Whishaw, consolidated up to nearly 1 million viewers.

Outgoing BBC director general Mark Thompson this week marked out the series as one of the crowning moments of his tenure. He said its “ambition and originality” was indicative of the values of the BBC.

The Hollow Crown has drawn widespread critical acclaim and The Guardian’s Mark Lawson said it was “as good as TV Shakespeare is going to get”.”

http://m.broadcastnow.co.uk/5044522.article
saralund
22-07-2012
A great series, but I still think Richard II was breathtaking where the others were merely excellent. I still go back to iPlayer to watch it again and again. Ben Whishaw added something unearthly that sparked it into life, and Patrick Stewart's soliloquy was deeply moving. Tom Hiddleston impressed me more in Henry V than the IVs, but I wish he sounded less RADA.
Granny McSmith
22-07-2012
Originally Posted by the_lostprophet:
“What did people make of the understated Crispin's day speech too? .”

I thought the whole performance was too understated. i don't know whether that was the choice of the actor or the director or both, but instead of being stirred by the speeches I was very underwhelmed.

Henry V is not a play I know so I was unaware of bits being cut, as mentioned in earlier posts, but now I know it makes sense of the feeling of disjointedness I had at times while watching.

I'm sorry the 3 Henrys weren't as good as the Richard, by a country mile, but they were still a nice change from the dross that's usually on. Good to see we may get more.

The only bit where my emotions were really stirred was during the speech by Julie Walters about Falstaff's death. I felt really sorry, and I didn't even like Falstaff in this production!

Now I'm going to have to get Ken's version on DVD, to compare.

I must just say that the Richard II will stay with me for ever. Absolute magic. I can't see it being bettered.
snowy ghost
22-07-2012
A great series..Richard was my fave..just splendid
Froggie72
22-07-2012
Originally Posted by Granny McSmith:
“I thought the whole performance was too understated. i don't know whether that was the choice of the actor or the director or both, but instead of being stirred by the speeches I was very underwhelmed.

Henry V is not a play I know so I was unaware of bits being cut, as mentioned in earlier posts, but now I know it makes sense of the feeling of disjointedness I had at times while watching.

I'm sorry the 3 Henrys weren't as good as the Richard, by a country mile, but they were still a nice change from the dross that's usually on. Good to see we may get more.

The only bit where my emotions were really stirred was during the speech by Julie Walters about Falstaff's death. I felt really sorry, and I didn't even like Falstaff in this production!

Now I'm going to have to get Ken's version on DVD, to compare.

I must just say that the Richard II will stay with me for ever. Absolute magic. I can't see it being bettered.”

If you want to be stirred, this is the one I love Montjoy in it too...
lady_xanax
22-07-2012
I really like Pistol and Nym in the Branagh one
the_lostprophet
22-07-2012
Originally Posted by saralund:
“but I wish he sounded less RADA.”

And Eton! Bless him.
Artymags
22-07-2012
Loved the previous plays - especially Henry 1V part 1 but I was very disappointed with Henry V. Not a patch on the Branagh version in my opinion. Far too much cut out. I agree about the cutting of the murder of the boys making the killing of prisoners incomprehensible. The speeches before Harfleur and Agincourt lacked any fire. They were supposed to be rabble rousing speeches surely, and they certainly didn't come over as such. The scene with Katherine learning English lacked the humour and the fun of Emma Thompson's version. I wish they had actually sung the Te Deum too as they did in the Brannagh one.
I feel quite let down by it all. I know every actor has to do his or her own version of Shakespeare and not try to copy someone else but I think this version was a failure. Kenneth Branagh still remains my favourite Henry V.
the_lostprophet
22-07-2012
Originally Posted by Artymags:
“I wish they had actually sung the Te Deum too as they did in the Brannagh one. ”

Yes I was hoping for that too.
Jonwo
22-07-2012
I have enjoyed The Hollow Crown and pleased that the BBC are considering a follow up. The most obvious one to do the Henry VI trilogy and Richard III, think Sam Mendes want to see the History plays completed.
the_lostprophet
23-07-2012
A piece about one of the co-founders of Neal Street Productions, the production company behind the Hollow Crown: http://www.guardian.co.uk/media/2012...t-hollow-crown

Quote:
“At the very least Harris would like to finish the cycle of history plays. "I'd love to continue through to Henry VI and Richard III, because it feels like a half completed journey," she says – adding that the nation's top directors would also be keen; many have been in touch to stake their claim on future plays should they be made.”

DavetheScot
23-07-2012
Originally Posted by Artymags:
“ The speeches before Harfleur and Agincourt lacked any fire. They were supposed to be rabble rousing speeches surely, and they certainly didn't come over as such.”

I totally agree.

Another bit I was sorry to lose was the scene in the French camp the night before the battle, with them eagerly anticipating the morning. We only got a couple of lines from that, and I was sorry to lose some of the Constable's humour at the Dauphin's expense.
DavetheScot
23-07-2012
Originally Posted by maw1:
“It's not quite as clear-cut as that. In Henry's eyes, he was defending his right to certain dukedoms in France inherited, ultimately, from William the Conqueror, who snatched England from the Saxons.”

He was out for the French crown. His claim was that it was his by right of descent; his ancestor Edward II had married the daughter of the then King of France. When all that King's sons died childless, Edward III claimed he should inherit; however, the French operated Salic Law, which meant the throne couldn't pass down through a female, so it went to a cousin.
Artymags
23-07-2012
Originally Posted by DavetheScot:
“I totally agree.

Another bit I was sorry to lose was the scene in the French camp the night before the battle, with them eagerly anticipating the morning. We only got a couple of lines from that, and I was sorry to lose some of the Constable's humour at the Dauphin's expense.”

Yes , I missed that too - with the Dauphin going on about his horse.
It was Katherine's scene with her nurse, learning English nouns, which disappointed most though!
Pasta
23-07-2012
Originally Posted by DavetheScot:
“He was out for the French crown. His claim was that it was his by right of descent; his ancestor Edward II had married the daughter of the then King of France. When all that King's sons died childless, Edward III claimed he should inherit; however, the French operated Salic Law, which meant the throne couldn't pass down through a female, so it went to a cousin.”

It wasn't as simple as that; no-one really mentioned the Salic law back in the 14th century and it certainly wasn't part of long-standing inheritance practice then - as an argument it was made much more of in the campaign against Henry VI's rights in the 15th century.
striing
23-07-2012
Originally Posted by the_lostprophet:
“And Eton! Bless him. ”

He didn't go to Eton. If find him pretty unwatchable on TV, though he was good as Konstantin in the Seagull - but that is an overly dramatic role which suits his style. Richard would probably suit him on stage.
spiney2
23-07-2012
..... yes of course sky show stuff from globe theatre. the point is they dont develop any uk televison to speak of. just throw money around then point a camera at existing stuff.

as i said in theatre thread theres very little new original stuff. sky is unlikely ever to show anything that criticises its own business model.
spiney2
23-07-2012
the arts channel was originally independent of course. but sky forcibly took it over. then dropped the fta pbs performance channel. sky is about money not tv. and will only do what increases its own profits.
lady_xanax
23-07-2012
I also think this Henry V lost the sense that nobody believed Hal was up to the job. The bishops had their own interests at heart and advised Hal to go to war because they wanted money for the church.
the_lostprophet
23-07-2012
Originally Posted by striing:
“He didn't go to Eton.”

This article says different:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/education...ing-toffs.html As does his Wikipedia entry.

He was at Eton at the same time as Prince William. Why didn't you think he went there?

He apparently then got a double first from Cambridge and went to RADA. I don't generally say things like that unless I've made sure of them first.
Granny McSmith
23-07-2012
Originally Posted by striing:
“He didn't go to Eton. If find him pretty unwatchable on TV, though he was good as Konstantin in the Seagull - but that is an overly dramatic role which suits his style. Richard would probably suit him on stage.”

I would have said underdramatic was his style!

However, I've not seen him in anything else except The Hollow Crown, so maybe I'm wrong.
striing
23-07-2012
Originally Posted by the_lostprophet:
“This article says different:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/education...ing-toffs.html As does his Wikipedia entry.

He was at Eton at the same time as Prince William. Why didn't you think he went there?

He apparently then got a double first from Cambridge and went to RADA. I don't generally say things like that unless I've made sure of them first.”

That article is about Tom Hiddleston. I was talking about Ben Wishaw. I was responding to a post that started off talking about Richard II but I see I misread it and the end was talking about Henry V. To be honest I've never even heard of the actor who played Henry and had no clue about his background!
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