[glasshalffull]

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/ukne...n-Leveson.html

It would seem our dear leader has settled the issue

[jmclaugh]

Originally Posted by paulschapman

The problem is Gove's position as a cabinet minister. Leveson was concerned that his comments reflected cabinet belief - and as such meant that regardless of his findings they would be watered down.

Normally a cabinet would decide on a policy and in public would agree, ignoring any personal opinion. So a cabinet minister speaking, speaks not just for themselves but the cabinet as a whole.

That was the crux of Leveson's problem with Gove.

A rather spurious argument and an odd one for a lawyer to make, though on reflection perhaps not. It implies members of the cabinet agree on everything and will therefore never differ in their opinions and crucially as Leveson hasn't made his recommendation no one in the cabinet has a clue as to what they will be. They used to call it hearsay.

[Sad_BB_Addict]

BBC News summary prog of last week's fun
http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode...ry_Episode_24/

[Sad_BB_Addict]

Press start "Operation Megaphone" to drown out Leveson
http://hackinginquiry.org/comment/pr...veson-inquiry/

[Annsyre]

Originally Posted by glasshalffull

The comments that concerned Leveson were made in February...long before Gove gave evidence.

And he said as much again at the inquiry. He is entitled to express his opinions just like we are.

[Sad_BB_Addict]

Andy Davies ‏@adavies4

I've been told about a potentially v interesting development in Operation Tuleta. More on #c4news soon


7.17pm Andy Davies saying comp hacking now investigating NOTW activities in Scotland. A witness in the Tommy Sheridan case allegedly had their emails hacked by the NOTW.

[Footylad]

Originally Posted by Sad_BB_Addict

Andy Davies ‏@adavies4

I've been told about a potentially v interesting development in Operation Tuleta. More on #c4news soon


7.17pm Andy Davies saying comp hacking now investigating NOTW activities in Scotland. A witness in the Tommy Sheridan case allegedly had their emails hacked by the NOTW.

Not a day goes by without NI having new allegations against them....

[David Tee]

Originally Posted by Sad_BB_Addict

Andy Davies ‏@adavies4

I've been told about a potentially v interesting development in Operation Tuleta. More on #c4news soon


7.17pm Andy Davies saying comp hacking now investigating NOTW activities in Scotland. A witness in the Tommy Sheridan case allegedly had their emails hacked by the NOTW.

Dear God, let it be Coulson. That would be an entire cattery among the pigeons.

[Sad_BB_Addict]

Downing Street orders ministers to curb Leveson inquiry comments
Prime minister stops short of rebuke for Michael Gove's claim of chilling effect on free speech

http://www.guardian.co.uk/media/2012...eveson-inquiry


Hmmm - module 4 next week could get more interesting than I thought it would be.

[Sad_BB_Addict]

Originally Posted by Sad_BB_Addict

Andy Davies ‏@adavies4

I've been told about a potentially v interesting development in Operation Tuleta. More on #c4news soon


7.17pm Andy Davies saying comp hacking now investigating NOTW activities in Scotland. A witness in the Tommy Sheridan case allegedly had their emails hacked by the NOTW.

The C4 story
http://www.channel4.com/news/now-com...-sheridan-case

[barnsleykeith]

The Murdoch revelations keep reminding me of how the Robert Maxwell story slowly came to light. Any of the Murdoch's own a yacht, or a canoe for that matter?

[WindWalker]

Originally Posted by Sad_BB_Addict

Downing Street orders ministers to curb Leveson inquiry comments
Prime minister stops short of rebuke for Michael Gove's claim of chilling effect on free speech

http://www.guardian.co.uk/media/2012...eveson-inquiry


Hmmm - module 4 next week could get more interesting than I thought it would be.

Could Gove have been 'testing the waters' with his comment and the cabinet, PM aware of what he was going to say. Testing reactions to see what the public mood would be?

[glasshalffull]

Originally Posted by Sad_BB_Addict;58925608[B

]Downing Street orders ministers to curb Leveson inquiry comments
Prime minister stops short of rebuke for Michael Gove's claim of chilling effect on free speech[/b]
http://www.guardian.co.uk/media/2012...eveson-inquiry


Hmmm - module 4 next week could get more interesting than I thought it would be.

OMG Dave is stopping free speech by his ministers

It would seem they don't have the "same rights as the rest of us" after all

[Sad_BB_Addict]

News of the World 'hacked emails of victims'
Journalists at the News of the World allegedly hacked the emails of a key witness in a libel trial the newspaper fought when Andy Coulson was editor, The Daily Telegraph has learnt.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/ukne...f-victims.html

[David Tee]

Originally Posted by jmclaugh

Sorry to disagree, I think he did take umbrage.

Originally Posted by glasshalffull

"Umbrage" is a personal reaction...I doubt Brian took it that way...he's a bloody judge...used to hearing witnesses and studying evidence before making up his mind.

When a senior member of the cabinet (Gove) starts shooting from the hip...when the rest had kept their gobs shut waiting for Brian to do his job...I can understand him checking out some kind of decision/line had not been made/taken.

Because if it had to continue would have been a waste of public money the government is so keen to save...and of his time.

Time he probably thinks he would be better spending locking up criminals and chairing the Sentencing Committee. Jobs I think he can't wait to get back to.

If he hadn't before, he's definitely taken umbrage now.

Leveson Loses It Over Mail on Sunday Front Page

Probably best to have te story confirmed by another source before treating it as fact...

[andallthatjazz]

Originally Posted by barnsleykeith

The Murdoch revelations keep reminding me of how the Robert Maxwell story slowly came to light. Any of the Murdoch's own a yacht, or a canoe for that matter?

Just finished reading Jeffrey Archer's The Fourth Estate which no question was largely based on the lives of Murdoch & Maxwell with some fictional events thrown in of course.

[swingaleg]

I wonder if this will colour his view on the degree to which regulation should be tough or a light touch

He's getting personal examples of how the papers lie and propagandise on behalf of their vested interests

[Footylad]

Originally Posted by Sad_BB_Addict

News of the World 'hacked emails of victims'
Journalists at the News of the World allegedly hacked the emails of a key witness in a libel trial the newspaper fought when Andy Coulson was editor, The Daily Telegraph has learnt.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/ukne...f-victims.html

Oh dear, former head of communications for number ten involved again, who could have predicted it?

I guess everyone except Cameron, is the answer... they still best mates I believe

[David Tee]

Originally Posted by Sad_BB_Addict

News of the World 'hacked emails of victims'
Journalists at the News of the World allegedly hacked the emails of a key witness in a libel trial the newspaper fought when Andy Coulson was editor, The Daily Telegraph has learnt.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/ukne...f-victims.html

From that link.

Tom Watson, the Labour MP, said the hacking scandal "has just got considerably worse for Rupert Murdoch". He said: “This scandal has the potential to dwarf anything we have seen with phone hacking. Victims have the right to know they were targeted.”

I'm missing something. What scandal? Isn't it just more evidence of phone hacking?

Watson's adrenaline went into overdrive when he heard the news about Coulson being charged for perjury during Tommy Sheridan's perjury (irony, or what), trial. Watson said

"Tommy Sheridan was convicted on an eight to six verdict of a jury in a Scottish court. Mr Sheridan lost his liberty and is still the subject of restrictions on his movement.

"The detention of Andy Coulson further highlights why Mr Sheridan’s conviction was unsound. It is now abundantly clear that members of the jury were not in full possession of the facts. If they knew what the police now know, It seems impossible not to conclude that Mr Sheridan would be a free man.

Unfortunately, Coulson was called by Sheridan to appear as a witness for the defence

[jmclaugh]

Perhaps these new revelations mean we will get season 2 of the Leveson Inquiry.

[Inspiration]

Originally Posted by David Tee

I'm missing something. What scandal? Isn't it just more evidence of phone hacking?

He means hacking of emails. If it turns out peoples email accounts were targeted and hacked on a routine basis, that's quite serious. Potentially more so than voice mails, as you'd have access to potentially a lot more personal information.

[David Tee]

Originally Posted by Inspiration

He means hacking of emails. If it turns out peoples email accounts were targeted and hacked on a routine basis, that's quite serious. Potentially more so than voice mails, as you'd have access to potentially a lot more personal information.

Thanks. I was under the impression that e-mail hacking had already been discussed in the inquiry. Didn't Sky News own up to it?

[SideshowStu]

Originally Posted by David Tee

I'm missing something. What scandal? Isn't it just more evidence of phone hacking?

I assume he means that it's evidence of hacking with a possible intent to pervert the cause of justice rather than hacking just to get a bit of tittle-tattle for a story...

I can't think of anything else Tom watson might mean by his statement tbh

[Middleotroad]

Originally Posted by David Tee

Thanks. I was under the impression that e-mail hacking had already been discussed in the inquiry. Didn't Sky news own up to it?

Not these (allegedly) hacked e-mails. NOTW apparently knew Sheridan was going to sue for libel and they hacked email accounts of potential trial witnesses.

Hacking emails can get you a tougher prison sentence than phone hacking, but how is it (legally) perverting the course of justice? Perhaps if it could be proved NOTW used information gathered from their email hacking in the libel trial? The story so far is that they didn't do that.

Anyways, since this affair is not about hacking phones/emails for journalistic purposes, but to fight a legal battle with a politican, it certainly could/ should make News International look grubbier than ever.

[Sad_BB_Addict]

Press card issuer postpones 'ethical kitemark' decision
Proposal to compel titles to follow PCC code of practice did not gain required support but will be further discussed next month

http://www.guardian.co.uk/media/2012...hical-kitemark