Originally Posted by chuffnobbler:
“Davey! That's fighting talk! I love Season 7!”
“Davey! That's fighting talk! I love Season 7!”
I so can't wait to discuss that Season with you Chuff, the shoe will most definitely be on the other foot.........
The Evil Of The Daleks
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I so can't wait to discuss that Season with you Chuff, the shoe will most definitely be on the other foot.........
I just watched a reconstruction of this which had some brilliant CGI Daleks. This and Power of the Daleks are probably my favourite Dalek stories ever- this based on not having even seen the story in all its former glory.
I think Power of the Daleks is the better story overall, but Evil of the Daleks episodes 6 and 7 are just superb.
The Troughton Dalek stories are amongst the best examples of Doctor Who in all of its 50 year history. It is a massive shame that they are almost entirely missing. I so wish they could have the time and money to animate all twelve of these episodes and release them on DVD.
Actually finding all these episodes would be a dream come true. Unfortunately I don't believe this will ever happen.
I think Power of the Daleks is the better story overall, but Evil of the Daleks episodes 6 and 7 are just superb.
The Troughton Dalek stories are amongst the best examples of Doctor Who in all of its 50 year history. It is a massive shame that they are almost entirely missing. I so wish they could have the time and money to animate all twelve of these episodes and release them on DVD.
Actually finding all these episodes would be a dream come true. Unfortunately I don't believe this will ever happen.
Originally Posted by TheSilentFez:
“I just watched a reconstruction of this which had some brilliant CGI Daleks. This and Power of the Daleks are probably my favourite Dalek stories ever- this based on not having even seen the story in all its former glory.
I think Power of the Daleks is the better story overall, but Evil of the Daleks episodes 6 and 7 are just superb.
The Troughton Dalek stories are amongst the best examples of Doctor Who in all of its 50 year history. It is a massive shame that they are almost entirely missing. I so wish they could have the time and money to animate all twelve of these episodes and release them on DVD.
Actually finding all these episodes would be a dream come true. Unfortunately I don't believe this will ever happen.”
“I just watched a reconstruction of this which had some brilliant CGI Daleks. This and Power of the Daleks are probably my favourite Dalek stories ever- this based on not having even seen the story in all its former glory.
I think Power of the Daleks is the better story overall, but Evil of the Daleks episodes 6 and 7 are just superb.
The Troughton Dalek stories are amongst the best examples of Doctor Who in all of its 50 year history. It is a massive shame that they are almost entirely missing. I so wish they could have the time and money to animate all twelve of these episodes and release them on DVD.
Actually finding all these episodes would be a dream come true. Unfortunately I don't believe this will ever happen.
”
Agree with you about Troughton. I got the BBC audios recently for Troughton from The Macra Terror to ice Warrior
s ( think the prices for these audios on a well known online shopping site are horrendously expensive but that's another story ) and have been impressed overall. Evil of the Daleks has a certain style to it and quite richly crafted characterisations. The doctor manipulating Jamie is quite interesting to hear and gives Troughton an excellent dramatic role much better than the comedy I think.
Like you I wish they could find these missing episodes but after 40 years it seems a needle in a haystack. My own personal feeling is if there are any they are in the hands of private film collectors but perhaps we should ask superfan Peter Capaldi to check his loft just in case ?
Morning all, Troughton rewatch ongoing
Watching and listening to this story again after four years I kind of forgot how many memorable moments you get in this story. I .think this story is definitely on a par with Power as one of the best ever dalek stories ever
Man I love David Whittaker's writing! That man could write interesting believable characters you really felt for and understood. I rather love the relationships that develop between Kemel, Jamie and Victoria. There’s a kind of deference and politeness there which feels sweet and respectful
Evil feels like the ultimate story of manipulation because of the presence of the Daleks. It’s interesting to watch the fathers and daughters .You have Waterfield who is doing everything to keep his daughter safe and feels the guilt as people die, Victoria who is stoic whilst paraded for an hourly inspection by the daleks. Maxtible, who twists and turns in his loyalties to gain the ‘secret ‘from the Daleks and manipulates his daughters suitor, Terrall, who almost loses his sanity. You feel Ruth and Terrall's relationship is doomed in that house.
Maxtible is quite mad at the end due to the Dalek factor although his ‘gold’ fever pushes him over the edge too and I find his ‘kill, kill, kill, kill’ mantra as he attacks Kemel at the end really chilling. For some reason I thought I remembered Maxtible died at the end but obviously not.
Of course the most echoing manipulation is when the Doctor gives Jamie to the daleks experiment. Jamie overhears the plan and believes he is betrayed which is deliberate. I love the scene below in Episode 5 where Jamie confronts the Doctor in Maxtible's laboratory
DALEK: Turn around. Pick up the human female. Obey. Obey! Hurry! Hurry! Move into the cabinet. Obey! Move! (Kemel carries Victoria inside and the Dalek follows. After a while, the Doctor, Jamie and Waterfield enter.)
DOCTOR: Well, Jamie, the experiment's nearly over. I've had no sleep. I've been up all night, but it's been worth it.
JAMIE: Och, don't touch me!
DOCTOR: Oh, now what's the matter?
JAMIE: Anyone would think this was a little game.
DOCTOR: No it is not a game.
JAMIE: Of course it isn't, Doctor. People have died. The Daleks are all over the place, fit to murder the lot of us, and all you can say is you've had a good night's work.
DOCTOR: Jamie.
JAMIE: No, Doctor. Look, I'm telling you this. You and me, we're finished. You're just too callous for me. Anything goes by the board. Anything at all.
DOCTOR: That's just not true, Jamie. I've never held that the end justifies the means.
JAMIE: Och, words. What do I care about words? You don't give that much for a living soul except yourself.
DOCTOR: I care about life. I care about human beings. Do you think I let you go through that Dalek test lightly?
JAMIE: I don't know. Did you? Look, Doctor, just whose side are you on?
(
Of course there is then the completely brilliant following scene of Daleks playing trains with the Doctor and his utter joy as a scientist . I love Jamie’s scepticism and almost sulk when he has to say hello to the Daleks
As Daveyboy said in his opening post what helps with this story are the changes of location., present day 1966 ( nice touch of trying to imagine Jamie talking to the ‘lassies’ in the café), 1866 and Skaro. I like the present day characters too ( although too confusing at times with only audio to remember sometimes who is who) but the build up to the climax of Episode 1 is really well paced
I did feel that the Dalek Emperor ordering the Doctor to ‘ Spread the Dalek factor throughout the entire history of earth’ climax was hyperbole but hey it’s a small point overall. I know the length can be an issue but I watched it over three nights and it’s a lot easier to see the complexity in the story, appreciate the work in the story in bits.
Have to remind myself this story would have been seen over 7 weeks so maybe not designed to be seen in one go.
Rating 8.5-9 /10
Watching and listening to this story again after four years I kind of forgot how many memorable moments you get in this story. I .think this story is definitely on a par with Power as one of the best ever dalek stories ever
Man I love David Whittaker's writing! That man could write interesting believable characters you really felt for and understood. I rather love the relationships that develop between Kemel, Jamie and Victoria. There’s a kind of deference and politeness there which feels sweet and respectful
Evil feels like the ultimate story of manipulation because of the presence of the Daleks. It’s interesting to watch the fathers and daughters .You have Waterfield who is doing everything to keep his daughter safe and feels the guilt as people die, Victoria who is stoic whilst paraded for an hourly inspection by the daleks. Maxtible, who twists and turns in his loyalties to gain the ‘secret ‘from the Daleks and manipulates his daughters suitor, Terrall, who almost loses his sanity. You feel Ruth and Terrall's relationship is doomed in that house.
Maxtible is quite mad at the end due to the Dalek factor although his ‘gold’ fever pushes him over the edge too and I find his ‘kill, kill, kill, kill’ mantra as he attacks Kemel at the end really chilling. For some reason I thought I remembered Maxtible died at the end but obviously not.
Of course the most echoing manipulation is when the Doctor gives Jamie to the daleks experiment. Jamie overhears the plan and believes he is betrayed which is deliberate. I love the scene below in Episode 5 where Jamie confronts the Doctor in Maxtible's laboratory
DALEK: Turn around. Pick up the human female. Obey. Obey! Hurry! Hurry! Move into the cabinet. Obey! Move! (Kemel carries Victoria inside and the Dalek follows. After a while, the Doctor, Jamie and Waterfield enter.)
DOCTOR: Well, Jamie, the experiment's nearly over. I've had no sleep. I've been up all night, but it's been worth it.
JAMIE: Och, don't touch me!
DOCTOR: Oh, now what's the matter?
JAMIE: Anyone would think this was a little game.
DOCTOR: No it is not a game.
JAMIE: Of course it isn't, Doctor. People have died. The Daleks are all over the place, fit to murder the lot of us, and all you can say is you've had a good night's work.
DOCTOR: Jamie.
JAMIE: No, Doctor. Look, I'm telling you this. You and me, we're finished. You're just too callous for me. Anything goes by the board. Anything at all.
DOCTOR: That's just not true, Jamie. I've never held that the end justifies the means.
JAMIE: Och, words. What do I care about words? You don't give that much for a living soul except yourself.
DOCTOR: I care about life. I care about human beings. Do you think I let you go through that Dalek test lightly?
JAMIE: I don't know. Did you? Look, Doctor, just whose side are you on?
(
Of course there is then the completely brilliant following scene of Daleks playing trains with the Doctor and his utter joy as a scientist . I love Jamie’s scepticism and almost sulk when he has to say hello to the Daleks
As Daveyboy said in his opening post what helps with this story are the changes of location., present day 1966 ( nice touch of trying to imagine Jamie talking to the ‘lassies’ in the café), 1866 and Skaro. I like the present day characters too ( although too confusing at times with only audio to remember sometimes who is who) but the build up to the climax of Episode 1 is really well paced
I did feel that the Dalek Emperor ordering the Doctor to ‘ Spread the Dalek factor throughout the entire history of earth’ climax was hyperbole but hey it’s a small point overall. I know the length can be an issue but I watched it over three nights and it’s a lot easier to see the complexity in the story, appreciate the work in the story in bits.
Have to remind myself this story would have been seen over 7 weeks so maybe not designed to be seen in one go.
Rating 8.5-9 /10
Originally Posted by Lady of Traken:
“Morning all, Troughton rewatch ongoing
Watching and listening to this story again after four years I kind of forgot how many memorable moments you get in this story. I .think this story is definitely on a par with Power as one of the best ever dalek stories ever
Man I love David Whittaker's writing! That man could write interesting believable characters you really felt for and understood. I rather love the relationships that develop between Kemel, Jamie and Victoria. There’s a kind of deference and politeness there which feels sweet and respectful
Evil feels like the ultimate story of manipulation because of the presence of the Daleks. It’s interesting to watch the fathers and daughters .You have Waterfield who is doing everything to keep his daughter safe and feels the guilt as people die, Victoria who is stoic whilst paraded for an hourly inspection by the daleks. Maxtible, who twists and turns in his loyalties to gain the ‘secret ‘from the Daleks and manipulates his daughters suitor, Terrall, who almost loses his sanity. You feel Ruth and Terrall's relationship is doomed in that house.
Maxtible is quite mad at the end due to the Dalek factor although his ‘gold’ fever pushes him over the edge too and I find his ‘kill, kill, kill, kill’ mantra as he attacks Kemel at the end really chilling. For some reason I thought I remembered Maxtible died at the end but obviously not.
Of course the most echoing manipulation is when the Doctor gives Jamie to the daleks experiment. Jamie overhears the plan and believes he is betrayed which is deliberate. I love the scene below in Episode 5 where Jamie confronts the Doctor in Maxtible's laboratory
DALEK: Turn around. Pick up the human female. Obey. Obey! Hurry! Hurry! Move into the cabinet. Obey! Move! (Kemel carries Victoria inside and the Dalek follows. After a while, the Doctor, Jamie and Waterfield enter.)
DOCTOR: Well, Jamie, the experiment's nearly over. I've had no sleep. I've been up all night, but it's been worth it.
JAMIE: Och, don't touch me!
DOCTOR: Oh, now what's the matter?
JAMIE: Anyone would think this was a little game.
DOCTOR: No it is not a game.
JAMIE: Of course it isn't, Doctor. People have died. The Daleks are all over the place, fit to murder the lot of us, and all you can say is you've had a good night's work.
DOCTOR: Jamie.
JAMIE: No, Doctor. Look, I'm telling you this. You and me, we're finished. You're just too callous for me. Anything goes by the board. Anything at all.
DOCTOR: That's just not true, Jamie. I've never held that the end justifies the means.
JAMIE: Och, words. What do I care about words? You don't give that much for a living soul except yourself.
DOCTOR: I care about life. I care about human beings. Do you think I let you go through that Dalek test lightly?
JAMIE: I don't know. Did you? Look, Doctor, just whose side are you on?
(
Of course there is then the completely brilliant following scene of Daleks playing trains with the Doctor and his utter joy as a scientist . I love Jamie’s scepticism and almost sulk when he has to say hello to the Daleks
As Daveyboy said in his opening post what helps with this story are the changes of location., present day 1966 ( nice touch of trying to imagine Jamie talking to the ‘lassies’ in the café), 1866 and Skaro. I like the present day characters too ( although too confusing at times with only audio to remember sometimes who is who) but the build up to the climax of Episode 1 is really well paced
I did feel that the Dalek Emperor ordering the Doctor to ‘ Spread the Dalek factor throughout the entire history of earth’ climax was hyperbole but hey it’s a small point overall. I know the length can be an issue but I watched it over three nights and it’s a lot easier to see the complexity in the story, appreciate the work in the story in bits.
Have to remind myself this story would have been seen over 7 weeks so maybe not designed to be seen in one go.
Rating 8.5-9 /10”
“Morning all, Troughton rewatch ongoing
Watching and listening to this story again after four years I kind of forgot how many memorable moments you get in this story. I .think this story is definitely on a par with Power as one of the best ever dalek stories ever
Man I love David Whittaker's writing! That man could write interesting believable characters you really felt for and understood. I rather love the relationships that develop between Kemel, Jamie and Victoria. There’s a kind of deference and politeness there which feels sweet and respectful
Evil feels like the ultimate story of manipulation because of the presence of the Daleks. It’s interesting to watch the fathers and daughters .You have Waterfield who is doing everything to keep his daughter safe and feels the guilt as people die, Victoria who is stoic whilst paraded for an hourly inspection by the daleks. Maxtible, who twists and turns in his loyalties to gain the ‘secret ‘from the Daleks and manipulates his daughters suitor, Terrall, who almost loses his sanity. You feel Ruth and Terrall's relationship is doomed in that house.
Maxtible is quite mad at the end due to the Dalek factor although his ‘gold’ fever pushes him over the edge too and I find his ‘kill, kill, kill, kill’ mantra as he attacks Kemel at the end really chilling. For some reason I thought I remembered Maxtible died at the end but obviously not.
Of course the most echoing manipulation is when the Doctor gives Jamie to the daleks experiment. Jamie overhears the plan and believes he is betrayed which is deliberate. I love the scene below in Episode 5 where Jamie confronts the Doctor in Maxtible's laboratory
DALEK: Turn around. Pick up the human female. Obey. Obey! Hurry! Hurry! Move into the cabinet. Obey! Move! (Kemel carries Victoria inside and the Dalek follows. After a while, the Doctor, Jamie and Waterfield enter.)
DOCTOR: Well, Jamie, the experiment's nearly over. I've had no sleep. I've been up all night, but it's been worth it.
JAMIE: Och, don't touch me!
DOCTOR: Oh, now what's the matter?
JAMIE: Anyone would think this was a little game.
DOCTOR: No it is not a game.
JAMIE: Of course it isn't, Doctor. People have died. The Daleks are all over the place, fit to murder the lot of us, and all you can say is you've had a good night's work.
DOCTOR: Jamie.
JAMIE: No, Doctor. Look, I'm telling you this. You and me, we're finished. You're just too callous for me. Anything goes by the board. Anything at all.
DOCTOR: That's just not true, Jamie. I've never held that the end justifies the means.
JAMIE: Och, words. What do I care about words? You don't give that much for a living soul except yourself.
DOCTOR: I care about life. I care about human beings. Do you think I let you go through that Dalek test lightly?
JAMIE: I don't know. Did you? Look, Doctor, just whose side are you on?
(
Of course there is then the completely brilliant following scene of Daleks playing trains with the Doctor and his utter joy as a scientist . I love Jamie’s scepticism and almost sulk when he has to say hello to the Daleks
As Daveyboy said in his opening post what helps with this story are the changes of location., present day 1966 ( nice touch of trying to imagine Jamie talking to the ‘lassies’ in the café), 1866 and Skaro. I like the present day characters too ( although too confusing at times with only audio to remember sometimes who is who) but the build up to the climax of Episode 1 is really well paced
I did feel that the Dalek Emperor ordering the Doctor to ‘ Spread the Dalek factor throughout the entire history of earth’ climax was hyperbole but hey it’s a small point overall. I know the length can be an issue but I watched it over three nights and it’s a lot easier to see the complexity in the story, appreciate the work in the story in bits.
Have to remind myself this story would have been seen over 7 weeks so maybe not designed to be seen in one go.
Rating 8.5-9 /10”
Glad you enjoyed it LOT.
I often wonder exactly what happened to Maxtible. Neither the audio or the telsnaps make it that clear. After that scene right at the end he appears to just...disappear. I assume he would have been killed in the Dalek City anyway but it always appears a bit ambiguous what happened to him!
I still think this is ever so bloody DULL.
The stuff with Arthur, Ruth, Toby and Molly is nothing but padding. All of the scenes in the Victorian house could be cut and the story would not be affected. Endless wandering about round corridors with Jamie and Kemel. Utter rubbish. It's because of this that I think Evil of the Daleks is really quite poor. The first couple of episodes are fine and the last couple of episodes are fine, but the middle is just soooooooooo dreadfully padded. It could have been written by Terry Nation, random isolated boobytraps being sprung on Jamie and Kemel just to prolong the story.
This story (and the first Dalek story) are the only seven parters that drag, filled as they are with (a) pointless delaying-tactic type incidents, and (b) characters that are stuck in a subplot of their own and barely connect with the main story.
The other seven parters manage to keep the story moving in new directions and keep it fresh. Evil seems like a standard four parter with a wodge of guff in the middle.
The stuff with Arthur, Ruth, Toby and Molly is nothing but padding. All of the scenes in the Victorian house could be cut and the story would not be affected. Endless wandering about round corridors with Jamie and Kemel. Utter rubbish. It's because of this that I think Evil of the Daleks is really quite poor. The first couple of episodes are fine and the last couple of episodes are fine, but the middle is just soooooooooo dreadfully padded. It could have been written by Terry Nation, random isolated boobytraps being sprung on Jamie and Kemel just to prolong the story.
This story (and the first Dalek story) are the only seven parters that drag, filled as they are with (a) pointless delaying-tactic type incidents, and (b) characters that are stuck in a subplot of their own and barely connect with the main story.
The other seven parters manage to keep the story moving in new directions and keep it fresh. Evil seems like a standard four parter with a wodge of guff in the middle.
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