[Lizzy11268]

Originally Posted by Stiffy78

I'm struggling to understand how any group encouraging others to reject reason and believe miraculous things with no evidence could ever be 'all good'.

However I wouldn't abolish religion but would not shed a tear if it became extinct through natural causes.

Ah but the majority of practicing christians do not spend their time trying to recruit others or trying to make them believe. They just believe themselves and a lot of good can come out of that. If that was all it was, then it would be all good wouldnt it?

They would not harm anyone and through their beliefs may help others - I don't mind that at all. Even if I thought their actual belief system was nonsense.

No harm, no foul.

[Stiffy78]

Originally Posted by Lizzy11268

Ah but the majority of practicing christians do not spend their time trying to recruit others or trying to make them believe. They just believe themselves and a lot of good can come out of that. If that was all it was, then it would be all good wouldnt it?

They would not harm anyone and through their beliefs may help others - I don't mind that at all. Even if I thought their actual belief system was nonsense.

No harm, no foul.

They don't exist in a vacuum. The organisations who count them among their numbers do spend their time not only trying to recruit others but also trying to influence laws that affect all of us. While such organisations exist religion can never be 'all good' imo. And if they didn't exist would 'religion' still mean the same thing anyway?

[Mr.Humphries]

It seems gays want to destroy Christianity rather than have equality. Just my $0.02.

[Glowbot]

Originally Posted by Mr.Humphries

It seems gays want to destroy Christianity rather than have equality. Just my $0.02.

No that would just be an added bonus.

That's a joke. I am sure they will allow gay Christians.

Makes you wonder how having equality will somehow cause Christianity to implode.
Christians need to have a good long look at itself themselves if so. I don't believe it's the case for the most part.

[Chester666666]

Originally Posted by Mr.Humphries

It seems gays want to destroy Christianity rather than have equality. Just my $0.02.

There are LBG christians
Homophobia is what is opposed
Do you think Christianity is purely homophobia?

[tribade]

Originally Posted by Mr.Humphries

It seems gays want to destroy Christianity rather than have equality. Just my $0.02.

Once it's done, it will be marriage, not gay, not straight, just marriage.The gays won't be destroying anything.

Christians are doing a bloody good job of destroying themselves over an issue that will have no bearing whatsoever on their marriages.

[Mr.Humphries]

Originally Posted by tribade

Once it's done, it will be marriage, not gay, not straight, just marriage.The gays won't be destroying anything.

Christians are doing a bloody good job of destroying themselves over an issue that will have no bearing whatsoever on their marriages.

Perhaps they regard man-woman marriage as sacrosanct. I don't think than Christians are destroying themselves, there's two billion of them.

[Lizzy11268]

Originally Posted by Mr.Humphries

Perhaps they regard man-woman marriage as sacrosanct. I don't think than Christians are destroying themselves, there's two billion of them.

Perhaps they do. Thats up to them. Unfortunately for them we live in a society that claims to be one of acceptance and equality. Therefore they will just have to put up with some things changing to reflect that. Tough titty basically.

[Neda_Turk]

Originally Posted by Mr.Humphries

Perhaps they regard man-woman marriage as sacrosanct. I don't think than Christians are destroying themselves, there's two billion of them.

Really what does it matter what they think? They don't own marriage and the proposal is for marriage OUTSIDE of any church.

Nothing they think, say or do is any excuse to discriminate against people's equality.

Shall I repeat THEY DON'T OWN MARRIAGE again just to get the point across?

[Chester666666]

Originally Posted by Mr.Humphries

Perhaps they regard man-woman marriage as sacrosanct. I don't think than Christians are destroying themselves, there's two billion of them.

They seem to consider homophobia as sacrosanct,

[Chester666666]

Originally Posted by Neda_Turk

Really what does it matter what they think? They don't own marriage and the proposal is for marriage OUTSIDE of any church.

Nothing they think, say or do is any excuse to discriminate against people's equality.

Shall I repeat THEY DON'T OWN MARRIAGE again just to get the point across?

May as well
It seems like the bigots think they own marriage and ignore facts and reality

[1Mickey]

Originally Posted by Mr.Humphries

It seems gays want to destroy Christianity rather than have equality. Just my $0.02.

I wouldn't worry too much if i was you.Christianity's doing just fine.

[Mr.Humphries]

Originally Posted by Lizzy11268

Perhaps they do. Thats up to them. Unfortunately for them we live in a society that claims to be one of acceptance and equality. Therefore they will just have to put up with some things changing to reflect that. Tough titty basically.

They will put up a fight. Are you tough enough? I don't know what Christians will do if challenged. What about Jews, Muslims and Buddhists? Will equality campaigners go after them?

[Glowbot]

Originally Posted by 1Mickey

I wouldn't worry too much if i was you. Christianity's doing just fine.

Exactly. They do a lot worse things than campaign against gay marriage and come out smelling of roses.

[Lizzy11268]

Originally Posted by Mr.Humphries

They will put up a fight. Are you tough enough? I don't know what Christians will do if challenged. What about Jews, Muslims and Buddhists? Will equality campaigners go after them?

None of them are currently shouting nonsense - no church is going to have to perform same sex marriages anyway so its sod all to do with them. Butt out of secular business. Pee off. Go away. Take a hike. Long walk of short pier....etc etc.

Now I MIGHT have some sympathy for them if the law was going to try and force them to perform the marriage ceremony for gay couples against their will. Maybe. Just a tad mind.

[1Mickey]

Originally Posted by Glowbot

Exactly. They do a lot worse things than campaign against gay marriage and come out smelling of roses.

I don't know if smelling like roses is mandatory(infact i prefer not to) but i'm always up for good old campaign. Especially with it being progenitors day in just over an hour

[jackthom]

Originally Posted by kimindex

I'd love to hear what they'd say if challenged. Was the Bishop of Leicester challenged on it?

Yes, not all views, beliefs or attitudes should be automatically respected. It depends on the view, belief or attitude

Yes Ben Summerskill did call him on it a number of times but IMO the Today presenter was too keen to move the discussion on. I wish it could had been Paxman.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/today/hi/today...00/9727607.stm

ETA: Sorry alaninmcr, I missed your earlier post.

[jsmith99]

Originally Posted by Chester666666

You cannot claim I have a closed mind and believe that, the naysayers have no rational, logical or fair reasons to deny equality, there's only baseless ignorance, lies and stupidity. Then they clim there's God on their side yet God is also on side of the religious that support equalityAll that and neither term that I supposedly always use

I agree entirely with the BIB, though I maybe wouldn't express it in quite those terms.

Originally Posted by Chester666666

@jsmith99 - Also - terms like bigot and homophobe get used for a reason, check the damned dictionary

I know what the dictionary says; what I'd like to know is your definition, which you've never revealed despite requests from myself and others.

Originally Posted by Chester666666

There are LBG christians
Homophobia is what is opposed
Do you think Christianity is purely homophobia?

See what I mean?

[kimindex]

Originally Posted by jackthom

Yes Ben Summerskill did call him on it a number of times but IMO the Today presenter was too keen to move the discussion on. I wish it could had been Paxman.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/today/hi/today...00/9727607.stm

ETA: Sorry alaninmcr, I missed your earlier post.

Thanks!
Yes, some of the presenters are too deferential (or seem to be).

[SULLA]

Originally Posted by Lizzy11268

Ah but the majority of practicing christians do not spend their time trying to recruit others

Perhaps they should

or trying to make them believe.

However, I do have a problem with the concept of trying to make someone believe. But there's nothing wrong with a bit of gentle evangelism

[MrHoppy]

It "could force the church to split from the state"? Well good! I thought it was like that already!

If a marriage carries legal weight it shouldn't be controlled by a religious institution. If religions want to set rules about which marriages they approve/host, then that's cool though.

[Chester666666]

Originally Posted by jsmith99

I know what the dictionary says; what I'd like to know is your definition, which you've never revealed despite requests from myself and others.

Because why reveal what you already know?

[Lizzy11268]

Originally Posted by SULLA

Perhaps they should
However, I do have a problem with the concept of trying to make someone believe. But there's nothing wrong with a bit of gentle evangelism

I have people come to the door being "gentle evangalists"

To be fair to me I always accept their leaflets, thank them politely, then put the leaflet into the recycling bin.

Except on one occasion - when the leaflet was filled with threats of hellfire. On that occasion I set it alight then gave it back to them.

Originally Posted by Chester666666

Because why reveal what you already know?

Not exactly revealing then is it?

[Mr Obseen]

Affairs destroy the institution of marriage. Regardless of sex.

[peon]

Originally Posted by Lizzy11268

Except on one occasion - when the leaflet was filled with threats of hellfire. On that occasion I set it alight then gave it back to them.

course you did