[jemimabean]

Is Lauren oblivious to the effect she is having (sexually/romantically) on Luke S?
He clearly fancies her but I don't think she fancies him, despite her participation in the body lifting/touching - I think she's a tomboy and fairly oblivious to the effect she has on boys.
Unfortunately, Ashleigh genuinely fancies Luke S, and thinks Lauren is cockteasing him and Ashleigh thinks Lauren is doing this deliberately.
Like the song Jolene - "please don't take my man just because you can"Ashleigh thinks Lauren knows what she is doing but I'm not sure.

This is really what was at the heart of the bathroom/toilet argument. Ashleigh is jealous - Lauren is oblivious - and Luke S treats Ashleigh like a sex toy- because he's really not that interested but can spin her round his little finger and get a rub whenever he likes!

However. Lauren trots out the usual line - "girls never like me" without asking herself why do they not like you???. Because you let boys that other girls fancy feel you up and then you leave them dangling because you're actually not interested.

Sara is angry on behalf of Ashleigh but also jealous of Lauren on her own account because she's used to being the focus of male attention and yet tomboy Lauren (who doesn't seem to be aware of it) is getting all the bloke interest.

I like Lauren, with her quirky looks and voice but I think she needs to sharpen up and stop cockteasing (consciously or not) if she wants to survive.

[Supersarahp]

You may have a point. Although I don't think Lauren is to blame for being friendly yo Luke S. I haven't seen any outrageous flirting from her - certainly nowhere near the level of Ashleigh! If people feel threatened by Lauren's relaxed and friendly demeanour around the boys it's hardly her fault.

[Gunner95]

You've pretty much nailed it here.

[Sallyforth]

Perhaps Luke should focus solely on the girl he said in the DR he is interested in and see if she is interested?

[whizz_kid]

I think Lauren knows the effect she is having and I also suspect that she uses the "I'm a tomboy" thing to get away with major flirting. The last 2 shows have really put me off her - she acted so childish with all the crying / whinging. I also think that she is trying to establish herself as the "innocent baby" in the house thus ensuring no-one nominates her.

[jemimabean]

Originally Posted by Supersarahp

You may have a point. Although I don't think Lauren is to blame for being friendly yo Luke S. I haven't seen any outrageous flirting from her - certainly nowhere near the level of Ashleigh! If people feel threatened by Lauren's relaxed and friendly demeanour around the boys it's hardly her fault.

Sure - being friendly ain't a crime. But I think I she knows Ashleigh likes Luke.

I like Lauren a lot and I want to believe that her playing with Luke is innocent but I don't think Ashleigh sees it that way and to a large extent I don't blame her.

Lauren's behaving in a manner that puts a lot of girls' backs up and then is upset when girls back away from her.

If she's not interested in Luke S, then the decent thing to do would be to back off and give Ashleigh a clear run.

She's not seeing how what's 'play' to her can be read as 'fliting' by boys - and girls.

[jemimabean]

Originally Posted by Sallyforth

Perhaps Luke should focus solely on the girl he said in the DR he is interested in and see if she is interested?

Exactly - I think Sara suspects he is interested in her and she is interested in him, but she won't make the first move and she's getting twitchy at Lauren.

I think she's angry becayse Lauren isn't a 'model' and she finds it hard to accept that Luke might find her hot. She's not used to competition from shorter, kookier girls and is a sore loser.

I get the impression she doesn't normally have to make the first move - probably has to beat the blkes off - and is feeling the pressure a bit.

[samhainapples]

Good analysis in the OP, although fairly harsh on Lauren I think.

I too am really warming to Lauren - think she is genuine, if a little naive. Certainly don't think she can be criticised for being an inadvertent (and I do think it is inadvertent - she is just being friendly) flirt. That is much more Luke S's problem and he should recognise Lauren as an equal / platonic mate and not just a potential shag. Impression I get is the guy's a walking cock when it comes to women, i.e. very confident based on past experiences but sees every woman as a potential conquest and moves quickly on from those he's not interested in.

I also think Luke S is biding his time before making any moves on Sara. He sees Ashleigh as 'good enough' for viewing kudos purposes for now, but has (probably correctly) figured she will be gone before Sara. Sara is his long-term plan for a fauxmance. For now he's making do with flirty and outright insulting overtures towards Ashleigh in the belief that's good enough to keep him 'interesting'.

[Verence]

Originally Posted by whizz_kid

I think Lauren knows the effect she is having and I also suspect that she uses the "I'm a tomboy" thing to get away with major flirting. The last 2 shows have really put me off her - she acted so childish with all the crying / whinging. I also think that she is trying to establish herself as the "innocent baby" in the house thus ensuring no-one nominates her.

Didn't work as according to a vid that was put up yesterday Caroline nommed her.

[FingersAndToes]

I absolutely hate when the "blame" is laid on the ladies all the time. Lauren is quite flirty, but so is everyone else in the house. Luke S himself might like Lauren, but "wants to smash Ashelight backdoors". He flirts with every girls there.

Basically, Lauren is supposed to assume, that Luke S fancies her, when he flirts with every girl in the house, and either let him know, that she doesn't fancy him, without him actually telling her anything about liking her, and thus cut a nice friendship down in the house just so Ashleigh wouldn't be jealous? Also, Ashleigh seems to flirt with all the guys too, she was seen taking a bubble bath with Arron, is best mates with Conor etc.

But somehow, because Lauren flirts with the guys, and they might like her, she has to stop it, because some girl might like a guy, even though the whole house flirts with everyone else there?

[jemimabean]

Originally Posted by samhainapples

For now he's making do with flirty and outright insulting overtures towards Ashleigh in the belief that's good enough to keep him 'interesting'.

Spot on! If he gets nommed though and keeps this up, it could really count against him.
A woman spurned is an enemy you don't want and the public may well take against him if he doesn't soften his approach to Ashleigh.

Don't get me wrong - I like Lauren but her behaviour is easily read negatively and she's a character that likes to be liked - she'll suffer if she can't get the other girls on her side.

I hope she doesn't make the mistake of seeing Sara as a genuine friend as it was shown last night.

[Miriam_R]

I agree, I think part of the reason why Ashleigh was so happy to bitch about Lauren in the toilet was because maybe subconciously (or consciously) she fanices Luke S and is prob frustrated that he has this cosy gym/fitness thing going on with Lauren where they can be quite intimate with their workout and so wanted to vent her frustration about whats happenign with her and Luke Lauren. I actually think that Ashleigh would be peeved off at any girl that was in close proximity to Luke which, at this moment in time happens to be Lauren. If say Deanna or Lydia say became more pally with Luke she'd start bitcing about them too because it's not really about how she feels about the other girls, it's about her much she feels for Luke and the imbalance of how he doesn't really feel about her (because I don't believe he fancies her).

I think Luke S is in some way leading Aslheigh on with all this hugging and straddling because he actually seemed to show a liking to Sara at the start (when talked about her picture) but is getting all flirty with Asleigh because she's the only other girl atm that wants to give him that kind of attention while Sara doesn't (bcos she has a bf?). Lauren's attention to him seems certainly touchy feely but prob not the same intention as Ashleighs tactile nature (as Lauren seems to do this to others as Chris made out).

As for Sara, I don't think she's as bothered about what attention she has because she's already aware Arron is (or at least was attracted to her) in the bottle game and has already stated that Chris is more her type out of the guys. i get the impression that Sara and Ashleigh are freinds out of convinience rather than because they have a genuine connection, imo.

Sara, Ashleigh and Lauren all seem like boys girls to me so it's suprising they've not argued sooner.

[Gunner95]

Originally Posted by Miriam_R

I agree, I think part of the reason why Ashleigh was so happy to bitch about Lauren in the toilet was because maybe subconciously (or consciously) she fanices Luke S and is prob frustrated that he has this cosy gym/fitness thing going on with Lauren where they can be quite intimate with their workout and so wanted to vent her frustration about whats happenign with her and Luke Lauren. I actually think that Ashleigh would be peeved off at any girl that was in close proximity to Luke which, at this moment in time happens to be Lauren. If say Deanna or Lydia say became more pally with Luke she'd start bitcing about them too because it's not really about how she feels about the other girls, it's about her much she feels for Luke and the imbalance of how he doesn't really feel about her (because I don't believe he fancies her).

I think Luke S is in some way leading Aslheigh on with all this hugging and straddling because he actually seemed to show a liking to Sara at the start (when talked about her picture) but is getting all flirty with Asleigh because she's the only other girl atm that wants to give him that kind of attention while Sara doesn't (bcos she has a bf?). Lauren's attention to him seems certainly touchy feely but prob not the same intention as Ashleighs tactile nature (as Lauren seems to do this to others as Chris made out).

As for Sara, I don't think she's as bothered about what attention she has because she's already aware Arron is (or at least was attracted to her) in the bottle game and has already stated that Chris is more her type out of the guys. i get the impression that Sara and Ashleigh are freinds out of convinience rather than because they have a genuine connection, imo.

Sara is single, she said early on that she still loves her ex.

[Verence]

Originally Posted by Gunner95

You've pretty much nailed it here.

Isn't that what Luke S wants to do to Ashleigh??

[Miriam_R]

Originally Posted by Gunner95

Sara is single, she said early on that she still loves her ex.

I swear she said her boyfriend once but she must have put ex- in the front and I missed it. But either way, she said she Chris was her type so whether she got attention from the other boys would be irrelevent (unless there really is this idea viewer idea that she loves general attention and is unhappy about not getting it, which I personally don't see just yet).

[wappaho]

Originally Posted by jemimabean

However. Lauren trots out the usual line - "girls never like me" without asking herself why do they not like you???. Because you let boys that other girls fancy feel you up and then you leave them dangling because you're actually not interested.

Excellent summing up. You described my youth perfectly! I love these tomboys in the house (Caroline too) and I think tomboyism has been grossly overlooked in the rush to embrace men's gender issues.

Originally Posted by Supersarahp

I haven't seen any outrageous flirting from her -

Pumping a girl in small pants up and down on your biceps probably has a simiar effect to flirting. What did she say to him, 'are going to do my abs again?'. I think they're his abs that mostly get exercised

Originally Posted by Sallyforth

Perhaps Luke should focus solely on the girl he said in the DR he is interested in

Very good point. He is probably mighty confused see comment above about tomboyism.

Originally Posted by whizz_kid

I think Lauren knows the effect she is having.

She absolutely doesn't - remember when she was telling LukeS about wearing her mother's clothes? She stood in front of him, midrift fully exposed and then swang around and straddled the chair as if she was Dean Martin, with her crotch mere inches from LukeS thigh!!!Poor LukeS

[jemimabean]

Originally Posted by Verence

Isn't that what Luke S wants to do to Ashleigh??

Luke S is just stringing Ashleigh along but she really does like him.

Yes they're all flirting with each other (to varying degrees) but as Miriam said, Lauren is doing the fitness thing with Luke and that's winding up the other girls because - without any deliberate effort on Lauren's part - Luke is spending time with her and forming a bond.

[samhainapples]

Originally Posted by wappaho

She absolutely doesn't - remember when she was telling LukeS about wearing her mother's clothes? She stood in front of him, midrift fully exposed and then swang around and straddled the chair as if she was Dean Martin, with her crotch mere inches from LukeS thigh!!!Poor LukeS

"Whhhheeeeeeennnnnnnnnn Lauren's pizza pie
Hits you right in the eye
That's amore...

When you lift her up high
There's a bulge in your thigh
You're in love..."

[jemimabean]

Originally Posted by wappaho

She absolutely doesn't - remember when she was telling LukeS about wearing her mother's clothes? She stood in front of him, midrift fully exposed and then swang around and straddled the chair as if she was Dean Martin, with her crotch mere inches from LukeS thigh!!!Poor LukeS

This is what I want to believe about Lauren too. You know, she grew up on a farm in Jersey, she's probably quite the manual labourer type and may not read physical contact from Luke as sexual.

She might be seeing it as 'working' together. I wonder that she hasn't really hit 'knowing' womanhood yet - which is sweet but dangerous in the BB House.

[samhainapples]

Originally Posted by jemimabean

This is what I want to believe about Lauren too. You know, she grew up on a farm in Jersey, she's probably quite the manual labourer type and may not read physical contact from Luke as sexual.

She might be seeing it as 'working' together. I wonder that she hasn't really hit 'knowing' womanhood yet - which is sweet but dangerous in the BB House.

Ruddy-cheeked farmgirl point acknowledged, but isn't she now at Liverpool Uni?

[whizz_kid]

Originally Posted by Verence

Didn't work as according to a vid that was put up yesterday Caroline nommed her.

Ha - haven't seen video - maybe Caroline knows that the baby spot is hers !

[whizz_kid]

She absolutely doesn't - remember when she was telling LukeS about wearing her mother's clothes? She stood in front of him, midrift fully exposed and then swang around and straddled the chair as if she was Dean Martin, with her crotch mere inches from LukeS thigh!!!Poor LukeS

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Yeah - I was kinda in 2 minds about that - either innocent or "lolita" like - I think thats the term ?

[jemimabean]

Originally Posted by samhainapples

Ruddy-cheeked farmgirl point acknowledged, but isn't she now at Liverpool Uni?

I know!!! Maybe I'm clutching at straws...

There's an old song by Racey that goes:

Some girls will, some girls won't
Some girls need a lot of lovin' and some girls don't
Well, I know I've got the fever but I don't know why
Some say they will and some girls lie

Where does Lauren belong?

I think she doesn't need a lot of lovin' but boys think she does.

They think she will, but in fact, she won't.
But it's not because she's lying.
It's because she hasn't got the fever

[wappaho]

Originally Posted by samhainapples

"Whhhheeeeeeennnnnnnnnn Lauren's pizza pie
Hits you right in the eye
That's amore...

When you lift her up high
There's a bulge in your thigh
You're in love..."

I take it you're male? I am making sense then? I used to think men were just weird until I lost my looks and they stopped flirting and I realised that it is possible to have a sensible conversation with a man.

[wappaho]

Originally Posted by jemimabean

This is what I want to believe about Lauren too. You know, she grew up on a farm in Jersey, she's probably quite the manual labourer type and may not read physical contact from Luke as sexual.

She might be seeing it as 'working' together. I wonder that she hasn't really hit 'knowing' womanhood yet - which is sweet but dangerous in the BB House.

She thinks she's a boy, that's why she wants the girls to like her. But tomboys are not homosexual, as I discovered to my horror

I think tomboyism can be brought on by childhood environment, farms, cars, brothers and stuff. Lauren could be a little duckling. Caroline is the one who will still be wearing the trousers when she's middle-aged.