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Old 13-06-2012, 15:44
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Just wandering what peoples thoughts are of female recording artists against male. There seems to be so much negativeness towards female recording artists compared to males.
Madonna about her age how she looks and generally slating everything about her.
Kylie appears to also be going into a dip of negativity.
Cheryl Cole Bless whatever she does it will be wrong.
Adele about her weight and success of her L.P.
Britney Spears just because she is Britney.
The list goes on and on. It does appear that gay men and females in particular (before the whole homophobe comes up, I am a gay male so don't shoot me) write the mst horrific and horrible things about female artists . Male artists don't appear to get so much critasism or be put on the wheel of there too old and they should quit or the whole lip syncing attacks.

This is just my opinion but I really think female artists have to deal with a lot more challenges than make artists.
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Old 13-06-2012, 15:45
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Simple answer imo yes they do.
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Old 13-06-2012, 15:47
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Simple answer yes.
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Old 13-06-2012, 15:50
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Yeah, no-one bats an eye when Mick Jagger carries on regardless, no-one has a go at Steven Tyler for dressing like it's 1982. No-one compares Elton John to a current piano man....
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Old 13-06-2012, 15:50
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Yes they do.
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Old 13-06-2012, 15:50
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Old 13-06-2012, 15:58
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It's easier for them to make it in the business I think, because men are expected to conform to much narrower roles nowadays (MJ-wannabe, guitar playing crooner, rap artist, rock band), but it's much tougher for women once they've arrived.
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Old 13-06-2012, 16:15
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Yeah! Males can act all ghetto and strut around on stage with no top on, they're praised for it and considered cool/edgy.

Females do the same and are considered slutty and trashy. Or you get the reserved females who are classy yet people say they are boring/no personality.
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Old 13-06-2012, 16:50
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very much so
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Old 13-06-2012, 17:26
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Madonna about her age how she looks and generally slating everything about her.
She doesn't help herself, and her new music is trend-chasing shit.

Kylie appears to also be going into a dip of negativity.
See above.

Cheryl Cole Bless whatever she does it will be wrong.
Nail on head.

Adele about her weight and success of her L.P.
Absolute arse. Adele is slated because she is boring. Change the record much? Anyone still quipping about her weight needs to wake up and smell the flowers in that she's not overweight in the slightest. She's the sexiest of all the current mistresses of pop (save Katy for da titties).

Britney Spears just because she is Britney.
And is synonymous with 'overrated label puppet'.

The list goes on and on. It does appear that gay men and females in particular (before the whole homophobe comes up, I am a gay male so don't shoot me) write the mst horrific and horrible things about female artists . Male artists don't appear to get so much critasism or be put on the wheel of there too old and they should quit or the whole lip syncing attacks.
If you think you're being homophobic, wait till this hits you. Not that I am intentionally being discriminative, I'm just telling it how it is and anyone who can't take such a topic with a bit of tongue in cheek humour, stop reading.

Females and homosexuals - and straight men, too, but to a far lesser extent - like to feel like they're picking sides when they choose a favourite female popstar (case in point: Perez Hilton, who dropped Christina like a ****ing stone when 'Not Myself Tonight' came out). So of course, it's a lot like football teams, only with more pouting and claws. When your team does shit, others laugh. When a popstar flounders in the charts like a fish out of water, 'haters' piss themselves (recent case in point: The Burke). Females and gays biologically share similar amounts of oestrogen (not always, let's note this - plenty of gays can have high testosterone too), so this may be a reason why gay people like to defend their favourites to similar extents as women, thus why it's always those women and gays who care more than straight men.

And naturally, when you've shown your loyalties to the Monsters and one of RiRi's Navy attacks your idol, you spring back into default attack mode, slagging off star after star and claiming your favourite to be better. Is that not human nature? To want to be on the winning side? Each female in the industry has their strong points (we'll ignore Britney), but a lot of fiercely loyal fans think it impossible to like fans of an artist they don't like. Nobody wants to be part of an inferior 'class'. And so, with no way of directly insulting the artists except a few utterly useless and laughably insignificant Tweets venting hatred, savvy forum-users take digs at the next best thing - the very people to put a person's object of hatred on an idol, hoping that in some mysterious way attacking the fans - the supports - of an artist will actually have any effect at bringing them down. It just so happens women and gays like to do this more because... I dunno, maybe they have more time?

Of course, you could also argue that it's the popstars themselves' faults. Ass implants to rival the size of the Colosseum, prosthetic horns posing as "secret bones structure" or whipped creamed tits doesn't always wash well with everyone, and doesn't always come across as the deeply symbolic art form intended but instead someone making themselves look like a bit of a dick, further fuelling fires. Oh, and people like Lil Kim who'd probably be better off in a deep dark hole actually get in on the Twitter fights, which doesn't help matters or end up having anything to do with absolutely anything at all.

Naming the groups doesn't help either, because then we become cliqued. And to be fair, the worst thing GaGa ever did wasn't pop up out of an egg or roll about in some gross primordial ooze; it was inventing "Little Monsters", because now we have "RiRi's Navy", "Katy's Kittens", etc., etc., (oh, and Ke$ha sort of has her own thing: cock pop. Well done everyone.) meaning that once you belong to that identity, you belong for good, unless the artists does something shit and you realise it's all a bit poo to be a part of that clique anymore. The point is, no amount of bitching from women and gays is going to change your view - only your opinion is what makes you choose loyalties and if your artist in question suddenly becomes as good as shit on a stick then there's no point hanging around trying to stand the bad smell and the name-calling for other women and gays.

Tl;dr - Women and gays like to bitch. Genetic sciencey fings has proofed it.
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Old 13-06-2012, 17:38
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Generally yes, but there aren't really any massive male artists out apart from Justin Bieber and he probably gets the most hate out of everyone on the planet. I think there's definitely a bit of sexism involved in how we generally view women but female stars sometimes don't help the situation in making snide remarks or questionable mash-ups . I have noticed that fan bases generally merge when their idols collaborate e.g. Britney and Rihanna, Gaga and Beyonce.

So basically all female popstars should do a massive album together, it would be the best thing ever in existence and all of this would stop
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Old 13-06-2012, 17:45
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I have always thought so.

And males get it easier- Robbie Williams is a dreadful artist and was so popular and lauded. He is
well past his sell by date and ruined Take That be rejoining- Progress was an abomination of an album.

For the ladies it is doubly difficult and leather skin is a requirement
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Old 13-06-2012, 17:51
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Kanzi thank you for you entire run down of the artists listed and your view but the point I was making was just it appears that women get a harder time than males. Not just from fans which u very well pointed out about fan base loyalty on forums. But also in media they appear to suffer a lot more from invasive press and being overanalysed.
Whilst I respect your views on the artists you wrote about their your views and not fact. It's just a shame some of your caritas ism wasn't constructive and just came across aggressive. Other than that some good points.
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Old 13-06-2012, 17:56
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No doubt about it. I have honestly never seen a male popstar slagged off as much as some females are.
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Old 13-06-2012, 18:14
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Kanzi thank you for you entire run down of the artists listed and your view but the point I was making was just it appears that women get a harder time than males. Not just from fans which u very well pointed out about fan base loyalty on forums. But also in media they appear to suffer a lot more from invasive press and being overanalysed.
Whilst I respect your views on the artists you wrote about their your views and not fact. It's just a shame some of your caritas ism wasn't constructive and just came across aggressive. Other than that some good points.
Was meant to be tongue in cheek, but glad someone appreciated it.

I'd say the reason the media do it is because woman and gays pay more attention to the media as well. They all love to know who wearing what, who's put on weight, who showed nipple, etc., etc. Hence bitchiness ensues from lazy journalism about the tiniest thing, like a sneeze.
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Old 13-06-2012, 21:58
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A man can look like Death warmed over and croak like a frog and be lauded. A woman has to be pretty/sexy and have powerhouse vocals, or she's "talentless".
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Old 14-06-2012, 01:48
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There's more girls than guys in the market nowadays though. Almost, at least.

Few male solo vocalists anyway. Ed Sheeran is the only one that springs to mind whereas before the market was saturated (I guess Bieber is moving in there too).

I guess while girls may be criticised more, they also seem to have a lot more freedom. (eg. with their styling and what they say about themselves). Guys seem to pretty much be clean-cut or excessively macho or like, the reformed bad guy.

Where's the young Freddie Mercurys?

And on that point, Will Young and Marcus Collins have come across as suspiciously straight lately...

But I agree, females do seem to come under much more fire, but perhaps that is just because guys are being streamlined into the 'safe' areas
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Old 14-06-2012, 09:44
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Too many of them use sex to sell music anyway. That invites the negativity.
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Old 14-06-2012, 09:54
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Too many of them use sex to sell music anyway. That invites the negativity.
And male artists don't? How many rap songs are there about a pimp and his lady friends? Do they invite negativity? Let's face it, there are double standards when it comes to men, women and sex.
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Old 14-06-2012, 09:54
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and the females are always set up against each other in the media etc. You don't get many comparisons between Will Young and Ed Sheeran, but even Adele & Gaga are made out to be rivals when they're in clear different genre's

male performers get a far easier ride there's no question
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Old 14-06-2012, 11:07
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It does depend a bit on genre, I think, but not that much. Women musicians, who prefer not to trade on being young and happy to take their clothes off, are sidelined quite viciously. A female performer has to be a deranged sex kitten, or a demure ballad singer like Adele. There is no middle ground.
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