[gpk]

Originally Posted by egghead1

The comaprison was related to the group not what he did afterwards.

that was partly my point though. they were hardly a continued success after he left.

[ItsTimmyTime]

Originally Posted by benana93

Fantastic post, totally agree.

Thank You!

[gavin shipman]

Why are people so jealous of Cheryl?

She is a talented person, although her singing isn't as strong she can dance too which makes her a great pop-star.

She is highly marketable too. I agree that The X Factor most probably helped her achieve success but her latest album hasn't relied on it.

Call My Name is a great single and A Million Lights is set to sell very well.

[redcherry]

Originally Posted by d56

Some people have been quick to say that the success of Cheryl Cole's new song proves she "doesn't need the X Factor" for promotion.

I feel this is a ridiculous point. Ms Cole is in every single newspaper, every single day. On twitter, I don't even follow her fans, just general news sites and for the past week it has been Cheryl story after Cheryl story. First she agrees with gay marriage, then she says she would of gone hungry as a teenager if it had of been the pasty tax then. WHO CARES?

I feel sorry for someone like Alexandra Burke for example. Whatever you think of her, she can SING. She works hard, puts the hours in and is talented. She gets completley snubbed by radio and people are quick to call her a flop. Her new album sounds better than Cheryl's, but because of Cheryl's publicity team, her music is selling.

Has anyone heard Cheryl live? (WARNING - earplugs may be needed) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZcgK2fIHf9E

If you heard THAT is a bar on a night out, you'd walk straight out or ask for a double. She wouldn't make it through one round on X Factor, yet in the papers she is treated like gods gift.

I think Its a joke that someone who doesn't write there own music, doesn't play instruments and can't sing, gets success, just because of their PR team/press obsession.

So whatever you say, please don't make out like Cheryl has had success on her own musical talent, she's nothing but a walking attention seeker. If she wasn't, she wouldn't need all the insane press, her talent would do the talking.

Excellent post, I completely agree.

She nearly blew her chances at the start after that 'toilet incident', but then thanks to the massive publicity generated by her marrying Ashley Cole, then the subsequent divorce, xfactor, etc she almost overnight became the "nations sweetheart" (???).

I don't like her as imo she can't sing, but I appreciate that others like her.

Maybe she got lucky with all the opportunities, and seized them while she can.

[mary patricia]

Originally Posted by spaceoddity

A Cheryl Cole discussion thread needs to be created.

More like a Cheryl Cole sub forum!

[Canks]

Are people really still claiming that Cheryl isn't talented? Hilarious! That's why the likes of Simon Cowell and Will.I.Am have tirelessly promoted her. Why on earth would they do that for someone who is "untalented".

Cheryl has a nice signing voice and a lovely tone. She's also a great dancer and is so kind and sweet. To claim her career is based on publicity is utter rubbish. People buy her music because they like Cheryl, not because she's on the front of heat every week. This tireless campaign to belittle her and her incredible achievements is most unpleasant.

[Hav_mor91]

You can say all you like but she is generally not that talented its got nothing to do with her as a person its simple truth she is where she is mostly due to publicity and Nadine was equally as liked and far more talented than Cheryl ever was as is Nicola who did a great album who had neither the attention or Pr that Cheryl has with her generic and avergae music which for instance is no different to Alexandra Burkes (i don't like her either but) who again no promotion or radio play bombed what does that say Cheryl sells on Pr Promo and being shoved in peoples faces not being a good Singer, Or dancer, Or writer or generally musically gifted in anyway.

And she may not be on the X Factor now but she has Will.I.Am tweeting and promoting her and without the x factor or simon in the first instance she would not have gotten this far.

[jediknight2k1]

Originally Posted by Hav_mor91

And she may not be on the X Factor now but she has Will.I.Am tweeting and promoting her and without the x factor or simon in the first instance she would not have gotten this far.

Other singers lack of PR is nothing to do with Cheryl Cole.

Since X-Factor USA she was hardly in the tabloids and still managed to become the fastest selling single of 2012 so far.

The show needed Cheryl Cole more than she needed the show.

Will.I.Am's job is to promote his artists and using twitter is all part of that.

[Hav_mor91]

I didn't say it was down to Cheryl i made a valid point her music is no different to other rubbish music out there but which is flopping due to lack of promo what does cheryl have huge Promo and Pr.

Hardly in the tabloids she is never out of them.

And exactly i know artists need promoting especially when they have little else to fall back on Cheryl lacks talent and is reliant on all things promo.

I'm not disputing if she is a nice person the OP asked is her career based on publicity over talent and the simple answer is yes.

[getty]

Getting constant X-factor promo can have a huge effect on sales for a single or an album.
Once an artist is without it other means are required, hence the fact that if Cheryl sneezes it will make the front page and will be on every news bulletin, her PR team deserve a hefty pay rise. She definitely get a lions share of airplay and promotion.

[habanala]

Appearing on the voice or x factor doesnt always mean you will have a massive number 1 hit though, how many have performed and there song has still flopped? People are buying the song because they like it. Cheryl has had songs that havent sold well (the flood etc) because they are not good. If alex burke had good music (like all night long) she would of got the airplay / sales. Bitter alex burke fans really need to get over her flopping and leave other artists out of your hate threads

[AdzPower]

I hate it when people say silly things like "Oh you like Cheryl, you sheep" or something to the effect of "You're being sucked in by her massive exposure", no im not, no matter how much i like someone im not going to buy their music if i think its crap. Just except that people like her, its no big deal, she can sing, can dance, and has some really catchy songs, the perfect popstar package really.

[Canks]

I get what you're saying but I can't see any other reason apart from jealousy as to why Cheryl has such vitriol directed at her. Why can't we be like the Americans who take pride in and celebrate a national treasure?

[LynxSoldier]

Cool story. Thanks for contributing to her publicity, I'm sure she appreciates it.

[Zack06]

Originally Posted by Canks

I get what you're saying but I can't see any other reason apart from jealousy as to why Cheryl has such vitriol directed at her. Why can't we be like the Americans who take pride in and celebrate a national treasure?

Because she's a singer who can't sing. She can dance great, but her vocals are horrendous. If she has as great a voice as some people claim she does, why hasn't she done an acoustic set to prove everyone wrong....or maybe it's because she can't?

[jamesrfyfe]

I don't understand this unnecessary hate for Cheryl Cole all the time? It's clear that with the fastest selling single of 2012 and two number one records under her belt, that the majority of the public disagree with the hate. I'm not going to say she's an amazing musician, and I'm not going to say she has the best singing voice either; she clearly doesn't. But to say she's got no talent is just stupid.

[Canks]

Originally Posted by Zack06

Because she's a singer who can't sing. She can dance great, but her vocals are horrendous. If she has as great a voice as some people claim she does, why hasn't she done an acoustic set to prove everyone wrong....or maybe it's because she can't?

Sorry but many singers do not have the best voices. Bob Dylan hasn't got the best voice neither has Madonna. It's about star quality which Cheryl has.

Her performance at the Jubilee, where she was clearly nervous, wasn't good but she was my favourite on pop stars the rivals. It was also very telling that the Queen chose to stand near Cheryl. Maybe she is a little soldier too

[MrMeatAndPotato]

Originally Posted by Canks

Sorry but many singers do not have the best voices. Bob Dylan hasn't got the best voice neither has Madonna. It's about star quality which Cheryl has.

Her performance at the Jubilee, where she was clearly nervous, wasn't good but she was my favourite on pop stars the rivals. It was also very telling that the Queen chose to stand near Cheryl. Maybe she is a little soldier too

Just stop. Please.





But yes, Cheryl is no different to any other popstars... I think they are all very much the same, the bashing she gets is probably undeserved considering there are hundreds of popstars out there that are very much the same. I don't think the media do her any favours though, papping her and then sticking it on the front page on a daily basis... I've often wondered how they know though where she is all the time and I think it's down to her PR, if they are the ones telling the media where she is and where to find her then it's their own fault.

[Zack06]

Originally Posted by Canks

Sorry but many singers do not have the best voices. Bob Dylan hasn't got the best voice neither has Madonna. It's about star quality which Cheryl has.

Her performance at the Jubilee, where she was clearly nervous, wasn't good but she was my favourite on pop stars the rivals. It was also very telling that the Queen chose to stand near Cheryl. Maybe she is a little soldier too

Cheryl isn't even as good as Madonna. I have always said that Cheryl can dance and put on a show, but she makes bizarre comments like 'singing is about emotion' and 'Ashley is tone deaf' yet usually mimes and sings badly live...she is her own worst enemy.

Also, if she knows she is so bad, why hasn't she got singing lessons like Rihanna to improve? This is one question no-one seems to acknowledge....surely if she's so intent on being a singer, she'd want to improve? With a bit of work Cheryl would have a good voice, but either she is lazy (she still even smokes) or just doesn't care enough to improve as she knows people will buy it anyway and that is why some people just don't like her.

[Canks]

Yes I know he's a great songwriter and Madonna is an icon, but Cheryl is a good dancer and is a lovely person. I'm just making the point that being able to sing isn't everything. Personally, I hate voices like Mariah Carey and Whitney Houston. I like unpolished voices like Cheryl's. Sure, they are not perfect but they make a song more interesting.

And Cheryl can sing. Her performance with snow patrol at children in need was brilliant and shows how far she's come along. I also loved her when she performed call my name at the voice.She has no worse a voice than Britney Spears.

[Canks]

Here is a recent LIVE performance. Her voice sounds pretty good to me.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uAdcd...layer_embedded

[Zack06]

Originally Posted by *Topaz*

Her voice is autotuned to the max, she mimes often and when it mattered at a big event like the Jubilee she failed to deliver miserably!

Again I have to ask the question that nobody seems to answer. WHY hasn't she had the singing lessons she so clearly needs if she is intent on being a singer...? With some work her voice would be good enough for her to escape the kind of criticism she gets now...

Surely any singer will want to improve and get better? Cheryl still smokes and barely sings live....she is her own worst enemy.

[KieranDS]

Originally Posted by Canks

Here is a recent LIVE performance. Her voice sounds pretty good to me.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uAdcd...layer_embedded

Love that song and performance.

[PJ1893]

Originally Posted by Zack06

Again I have to ask the question that nobody seems to answer. WHY hasn't she had the singing lessons she so clearly needs if she is intent on being a singer...? With some work her voice would be good enough for her to escape the kind of criticism she gets now...

Surely any singer will want to improve and get better? Cheryl still smokes and barely sings live....she is her own worst enemy.

I agree. I liked her voice on GA songs because it suited the verses. And in some ways, I think her voice sounded better on GA songs.

I find her voice on her solo songs a bit monotonous - especially in Parachute; theres's no denying it's a catchy song, but her vocals during the chorus sound so lifeless

I get the feeling though from some interviews she's a bit pigheaded. I always got the impression during XFUK she couldn't take criticism.

She says she knows she's no Mariah Carey. I wouldn't even say she was close to Pixie Lott when it comes to vocals never mind Mariah I'm not just talking about the strength of her voice, it's the way she sings - there are little things she could improve on if she wanted e.g. how she delivers a line.

The 'ain't no walk in the park' line in FFTL sounds so awful, and it's the same with some of lines in The Flood. Apparently the emotion in someone's voice is more important to her but I don't even get emotion from her voice. At times there's just no variation in it.

If I was a fan, I would find it annoying that she doesn't seem to acknowledge that her voice needs work.

[Dave0893]

Originally Posted by Canks

Here is a recent LIVE performance. Her voice sounds pretty good to me.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uAdcd...layer_embedded

Oh wow. I had forgotten about those performances tomorrow, and Under The Sun has grown on me so much.