[Rip the TV Eye]

Originally Posted by d56

What about all the talented musicians who actually have talent, who can't get a record deal or can't get anyone to hear them. Why is it fair Cole gets to work with the best in the business.

You don't get what you deserve...you get what you negotiate.

Surely you need talent?

I think it has been long established, with numerous examples, that one does not.

[Newtonsaid]

Talentless, she should go hide in a band

[Lukey37]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8YVTCLa0KK8

Watch from 3:27 when she forgets to mime to her pre-recorded live track. And she still sounds bad.

[granted08]

Tweedy shouldn't hide in a band, she makes the stunning Nadine look bad.

[plankwalker]

Originally Posted by Lukey37

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8YVTCLa0KK8

Watch from 3:27 when she forgets to mime to her pre-recorded live track. And she still sounds bad.

Yes so obvious, she stopped trying to mime at the end, but the pre recorded voice keeps going. What is interesting, is that comments under the Youtube vid by her fans, keep on repeating that she sang live when she clearly didn't. Makes you think that some fans, if they saw her literally flying around the stage would believe it was real, as long as Cheryl and her Management told them she was really flying (the hanging wires were just bits connected to her microphone).

[PJ1893]

Originally Posted by Lukey37

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8YVTCLa0KK8

Watch from 3:27 when she forgets to mime to her pre-recorded live track. And she still sounds bad.

^ that's actually quite funny because as you say the pre-recorded 'live' vocal doesn't sound that good either - if she HAD mimed to that line, I would have believed that was her live singing voice. It's recorded to sound that way for people to believe it is. So in that case, why should any of us believe her when she does say it's live?!! The entire performance could be recorded in the same way, couldn't it?

Usually with a backing track - it's the backing vocals from the original recording that are used, which the singer sings over. NOT pre-recorded live vocals (including a few duff notes and in-takes of breath etc) She's a fraud.

[cm1992]

Originally Posted by Lukey37

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8YVTCLa0KK8

Watch from 3:27 when she forgets to mime to her pre-recorded live track. And she still sounds bad.

LOL that's how she is meant to perform it. She never sings the final verse. She does "We gotta fight, fi-i-ight, no matter how hard it gets. We gotta fight yeah... If it's worth having it's worth fighting for" over it.

[Canks]

People complain Cheryl has too much publicity yet continue to talk obsessively about her, analysing every performance she does, everything she wears etc.

Who cares is she mimes? Does it really matter? Its so she can put on a better performance with her dancing.

[PJ1893]

Originally Posted by cm1992

LOL that's how she is meant to perform it. She never sings the final verse. She does "We gotta fight, fi-i-ight, no matter how hard it gets. We gotta fight yeah... If it's worth having it's worth fighting for" over it.

yeah but how do you know that? The pre-recorded live vocal the poster is taking about leads straight from that line --- and the vocals are identifical! That's what they're getting at. Artists don't generally pre-record LIVE vocals on a backing track.

So how can you distinguish between a mimed live vocal and a genuine live vocal?

[PJ1893]

Originally Posted by Canks

People complain Cheryl has too much publicity yet continue to talk obsessively about her, analysing every performance she does, everything she wears etc.

Who cares is she mimes? Does it really matter?

I understand what you're saying but if people genuinely believe she's not being honest about her live singing, they're entitled to point that out.

And if people don't mind that she mimes then fine, in the grand scheme of things it doesn't matter.

But it's a music forum

The only issue I have: it appears that she's not being honest about it. She comes out with crap like 'I take it as a compliment' She's possibly doing the same thing as Britney - except Britney mimes to the original recording, but Cheryl appears to mime to a live recording.

[plankwalker]

Originally Posted by Canks

People complain Cheryl has too much publicity yet continue to talk obsessively about her, analysing every performance she does, everything she wears etc.

Who cares is she mimes? Does it really matter? Its so she can put on a better performance with her dancing.

Of course not in a way, but it’s the subterfuge and dishonesty around it that gets people and also pushes out real singers from getting a chance.

I would be quite happy if they introduced Cheryl on stage by saying she is here to promote her new single and will be Dancing and Miming to a Prepared Track (that is made to sound a bit like a live performance). If it is all about being a dancer and her looks on stage for her fans, then everyone is happy.

[MrsOrin]

The fact is the public is interested in her. The ones that hate her look up articles and interviews about her as much as those that love her. The ones that hate Biffa are the ones that are keeping her in the public eye and are making her money.

Her career will end when people stop talking about her.

Having a great voice doesn't mean people SHOULD buy your music. Katy Perry, Rhianna and Biffa imo have the weakest voices in pop, can't sing live well but the best pop tunes.

Biffa's new album after a few listens is very good with great beats and she has managed this with her weak voice that hasn't taken away from the songs.

Some people are just better at the game than others.

[Eric_Blob]

Originally Posted by plankwalker

Of course not in a way, but it’s the subterfuge and dishonesty around it that gets people and also pushes out real singers from getting a chance.

I would be quite happy if they introduced Cheryl on stage by saying she is here to promote her new single and will be Dancing and Miming to a Prepared Track (that is made to sound a bit like a live performance). If it is all about being a dancer and her looks on stage for her fans, then everyone is happy.

EVERYBODY knows she mimes. Why do they have to announce it? People aren't stupid.

Originally Posted by MrsOrin

The fact is the public is interested in her. The ones that hate her look up articles and interviews about her as much as those that love her. The ones that hate Biffa are the ones that are keeping her in the public eye and are making her money.

Her career will end when people stop talking about her.

Having a great voice doesn't mean people SHOULD buy your music. Katy Perry, Rhianna and Biffa imo have the weakest voices in pop, can't sing live well but the best pop tunes.

Biffa's new album after a few listens is very good with great beats and she has managed this with her weak voice that hasn't taken away from the songs.

Some people are just better at the game than others.

Exactly. Their careers will end when they stop having good songs, and when radio stations stop playing them.

Everybody knows they're bad at singing. Nobody cares. Maybe if a rock artist is found to be miming, it ends their career, but not with pop artists. Cheryl is #1 today because she has a catchy song. Nothing more, nothing less. If she had a really bad song, she probably would've missed #1.

[Canks]

Originally Posted by plankwalker

Of course not in a way, but it’s the subterfuge and dishonesty around it that gets people and also pushes out real singers from getting a chance.

I would be quite happy if they introduced Cheryl on stage by saying she is here to promote her new single and will be Dancing and Miming to a Prepared Track (that is made to sound a bit like a live performance). If it is all about being a dancer and her looks on stage for her fans, then everyone is happy.

In the grand scheme of things, it doesn't really matter. If I went to see the Rolling Stones or Coldplay(which I have), I would expect them to sing live but not with Cheryl. Different audiences have different expectations. Even if Cheryl has sung live, people claim she hasn't so she can't win.

[michaelkeates]

Originally Posted by d56

Some people have been quick to say that the success of Cheryl Cole's new song proves she "doesn't need the X Factor" for promotion.

I feel this is a ridiculous point. Ms Cole is in every single newspaper, every single day. On twitter, I don't even follow her fans, just general news sites and for the past week it has been Cheryl story after Cheryl story. First she agrees with gay marriage, then she says she would of gone hungry as a teenager if it had of been the pasty tax then. WHO CARES?

I feel sorry for someone like Alexandra Burke for example. Whatever you think of her, she can SING. She works hard, puts the hours in and is talented. She gets completley snubbed by radio and people are quick to call her a flop. Her new album sounds better than Cheryl's, but because of Cheryl's publicity team, her music is selling.

Has anyone heard Cheryl live? (WARNING - earplugs may be needed) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZcgK2fIHf9E

If you heard THAT is a bar on a night out, you'd walk straight out or ask for a double. She wouldn't make it through one round on X Factor, yet in the papers she is treated like gods gift.

I think Its a joke that someone who doesn't write there own music, doesn't play instruments and can't sing, gets success, just because of their PR team/press obsession.

So whatever you say, please don't make out like Cheryl has had success on her own musical talent, she's nothing but a walking attention seeker. If she wasn't, she wouldn't need all the insane press, her talent would do the talking.

Couldn't have put it better myself, completely agree.

[Zack06]

Originally Posted by cm1992

LOL that's how she is meant to perform it. She never sings the final verse. She does "We gotta fight, fi-i-ight, no matter how hard it gets. We gotta fight yeah... If it's worth having it's worth fighting for" over it.

They were talking about the 'oh oh oh' right at the end when she puts her mic down by her side yet the voice is still playing loud lmao. Caught red handed.

[cm1992]

Originally Posted by Zack06

They were talking about the 'oh oh oh' right at the end when she puts her mic down by her side yet the voice is still playing loud lmao. Caught red handed.

Why would she do something so obvious? I'm sure the performance was rehearsed and she always holds the mic to her face when singing. The chorus backing track was loud. Unless she didn't rehearse the ending? Why didn't they just edit it in properly if it was a huge mistake?

[plankwalker]

Originally Posted by Canks

In the grand scheme of things, it doesn't really matter. If I went to see the Rolling Stones or Coldplay(which I have), I would expect them to sing live but not with Cheryl. Different audiences have different expectations. Even if Cheryl has sung live, people claim she hasn't so she can't win.

Would agree with the first part. On the second Cheryl does win lots of ££. Has she got any artistic integrity? I doubt it is a question she would even think of to ask herself and these day's probably an expensive failing to have if you want to get on.

[Zack06]

Originally Posted by cm1992

Why would she do something so obvious? I'm sure the performance was rehearsed and she always holds the mic to her face when singing. The chorus backing track was loud. Unless she didn't rehearse the ending? Why didn't they just edit it in properly if it was a huge mistake?

Maybe they just didn't realise. But that is a glaring error, as the voice she forgot to mime was made to sound like she was singing it live so it makes the mistake even worse tbh. Maybe she just forgot. I'm not surprised that she mimed that though given that she mimed the other performances in that set. She looked nice, but I just can't understand why she hasn't put herself into intensive vocal training. She would get none of this criticism if she did, but she is just too lazy or just doesn't care I guess.

[cm1992]

Originally Posted by Zack06

Maybe they just didn't realise. But that is a glaring error, as the voice she forgot to mime was made to sound like she was singing it live so it makes the mistake even worse tbh. Maybe she just forgot. I'm not surprised that she mimed that though given that she mimed the other performances in that set. She looked nice, but I just can't understand why she hasn't put herself into intensive vocal training. She would get none of this criticism if she did, but she is just too lazy or just doesn't care I guess.

Could singing lessons actually improve her voice though? I thought only young people could. I think she has accepted that she has a weaker voice and just gets on with it. She said she'd love a Beyonce duet but she could never hit those notes. And she said about a Christina duet - she couldn't do it to herself. I would like to hear her do a few longer notes but it's probably impossible.

[gpk]

Originally Posted by MrsOrin

The fact is the public is interested in her. The ones that hate her look up articles and interviews about her as much as those that love her. The ones that hate Biffa are the ones that are keeping her in the public eye and are making her money.

Her career will end when people stop talking about her.

Having a great voice doesn't mean people SHOULD buy your music. Katy Perry, Rhianna and Biffa imo have the weakest voices in pop, can't sing live well but the best pop tunes.

Biffa's new album after a few listens is very good with great beats and she has managed this with her weak voice that hasn't taken away from the songs.

Some people are just better at the game than others.

i completely agree and especially the bit in bold. the amount of times i have seen articles, video clips and interviews first hand from the people that don't like her is astonishing.

[*Topaz*]

Originally Posted by MrsOrin

Biffa's new album after a few listens is very good with great beats and she has managed this with her weak voice that hasn't taken away from the songs.

It's the autotune and the producer Calvin Harris that's managed it - very little to do with Cheryl - though I suppose you could give her credit for hawking it

[mary patricia]

Originally Posted by cm1992

Could singing lessons actually improve her voice though? I thought only young people could. I think she has accepted that she has a weaker voice and just gets on with it. She said she'd love a Beyonce duet but she could never hit those notes. And she said about a Christina duet - she couldn't do it to herself. I would like to hear her do a few longer notes but it's probably impossible.

Singing lessons would greatly improve her voice, as would quitting smoking. I got singing lessons at 27 and I improved massively. I also quit smoking at the time and noticed a huge difference. No amount of singing lessons will increase your range but a good tutor can teach you how to get the best out of your voice.

Cheryl puts a lot of effort into her dancing but zero effort into her singing. The miming wouldn't bother me if she didn't take the p!ss by coming out with things like "I take it as a compliament". She's blatantly trolling with statements like that

[mary patricia]

Originally Posted by gpk

i completely agree and especially the bit in bold. the amount of times i have seen articles, video clips and interviews first hand from the people that don't like her is astonishing.

It's like the Daily Mail. People love to slag it off but they link articles so they obviously read it!

[Rui_Phillips]

Of course it's all about publicity with Cheryl. 2nd album that health scare $$$$$$. Getting dropped from the X Factor / cowell's book, new single = #1. She isn't there because she has got talent it's because of the song and all the hype that came along with her x factor exit and all that other shit that's been in every news paper i read.