[Uncle Quentin]

Originally Posted by rocky2012

i disagree with you i dont think he put simon first

As is your right.

He did though.

[NPP]

Originally Posted by jules1000

Mother figure for a very short period of time which I am sure with time and space from the interference for whatever reason he would have gotton over.

She has not even attempted to allow Simon to live in peace with his Real father and new girlfriend. She keeps digging and digging and now she has what she wants I wonder for how long she will like it.....

The problem with Leanne is that she has a very short memory and likes to tell everyone about their mistakes and wrongdoings like she has never made any...

And Peter's been a father for a very short period of time. As I said, he's been a "dad" for about a year longer than Leanne has been a "mum". So what's your point?

And SIMON didn't allow himself to leave in peace with Peter and Carla. Leanne didn't have to do anything. Simon caused trouble by himself.

[dog_eat_dog]

Originally Posted by jules1000

Especially recently he has been trying very hard to be a good dad to Simon and I believe he was succeeding.

Is this before or after he confessed to a crime he didn't commit to save his new girlfriend's skin and then cut off all contact with his son's beloved step-mother and grandparents...?

[Uncle Quentin]

Originally Posted by dog_eat_dog

Did you actually read the part of my post you bolded? Lol

Yes I did. Lol

Have you forgotten Mother Teresa's past, her planning a recent flit without even bidding the kid goodbye, and her current circumstances? Lol

[NPP]

Originally Posted by Raven123

So if Peter get's married to Carla, Carla then becomes Simon's step-mum, Simon's real mum is dead, so what does that make Leanne then?

Leanne is not Simon's mum, she is using Simon as a way to get at Peter, because she was annoyed at Peter choosing Carla over her, but she fails to realise that if it wasn't for Peter being on his death-bed, she would have left him for Nick, Simon would then be looked after by Ken and Deidre. Leanne also walked out on them both and moved to London, she didn't care about Simon then. If it wasn't for Simon being devious and trying to cause trouble for Carla by making lies up, Leanne would be long gone.

I suppose when Leanne gets back with Nick, Nick will be Simon's Dad too will he, because he looked after him for a few weeks.

His mum. Leanne is still his mum. SHE'S been a mother to Simon, has treated him like her own. Point blank. It's hilarious how some of you think the terms mother and father are only valid if there's actual blood between them, or if marriage is involved.

Even if Peter and Leanne were best friends and nothing more, if she was still treating Simon as her own son and Simon viewed her as his mother, then that's what she is. Lord have mercy.....

And if we go by your logic, Peter isn't Simon's dad because he took him in at the age of 5, and only because Lucy gave him everything in her will under the condition that he does look after Simon. And he only started acting all "My little boy" towards Simon ever since Leanne started talking about custody. Before that, he couldn't wait to palm him off to Ken and Deirdre so that he and Carla could start banging each other all around the house in peace. Oooops, I forgot. Because Simon is biologically Peter's, that means all of that is invalid, right?

Anyway....

[Oldnjaded]

Originally Posted by NPP

His mum. Leanne is still his mum. SHE'S been a mother to Simon, has treated him like her own. Point blank. It's hilarious how some of you think the terms mother and father are only valid if there's actual blood between them, or if marriage is involved.

Even if Peter and Leanne were best friends and nothing more, if she was still treating Simon as her own son and Simon viewed her as his mother, then that's what she is. Lord have mercy.....

I know, it's quite scary isn't it? Do this lot never see the news or read a paper and see how many babies/children are abused or murdered by their 'blood' family?

[Raven123]

Originally Posted by NPP

His mum. Leanne is still his mum. SHE'S been a mother to Simon, has treated him like her own. Point blank. It's hilarious how some of you think the terms mother and father are only valid if there's actual blood between them, or if marriage is involved.

Even if Peter and Leanne were best friends and nothing more, if she was still treating Simon as her own son and Simon viewed her as his mother, then that's what she is. Lord have mercy.....

Leanne is not Simon's Mum legally or biologically. Please stop the Saint Leanne routine, it got boring a while ago..

Given time, Carla would be classed as Simon's step-mum, Leanne knew this so stopped it happening, it's the only way she can get to Peter and I hope it back-fires royally, if the writers have any sense they will bring back Leanne's past to haunt her.

[Uncle Quentin]

Originally Posted by Oldnjaded

I know, it's quite scary isn't it? Do this lot never see the news or read a paper and see how many babies/children are abused or murdered by their 'blood' family?

True, kids are never ever abused by adoptive parents, carers & suchlike, no not ever.

[dog_eat_dog]

Originally Posted by Uncle Quentin

Yes I did. Lol

Have you forgotten Mother Teresa's past, her planning a recent flit without even bidding the kid goodbye, and her current circumstances? Lol

You mean just after she was left devestated by Peter?

I haven't forgotten about her past at all, yet you seem to have forgotten completely about Peter's very recent inexcusable actions - you know, like being willing to serve a long stretch inside in order to save Carla's skin.

Still, what's 10-15 years in prison, compared to a couple of weeks away trying to get one's head around the fact your hubbie's been having it away with your mate.....what a selfish bitch!

[NPP]

The most ridiculous arguments.
"Leanne isn't Simon's mum because she left without saying goodbye"- https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-A...whoopiwtf3.gif

Yet Peter, who almost burnt his son to death, was about to go to jail for his GIRLFRIEND (thus choosing her over his own son), constantly creates chaos Simon's life with his bitchassness, cheating ways and alcoholism, and only took him in because it was the one condition that would allow him to inherit everything Lucy left him, he's seen as dad solely because of DNA, and not because he actually acts like a father.

And all this crap about "If Peter/Leanne married WhoDat and ThisOne, would Leanne still be his mum?" What kinda logic...

[NPP]

Originally Posted by Raven123

Please stop the Saint Leanne routine, it got boring a while ago..

I'm looking, but I'm not seeing how that's my problem.

"Leanne is not Simon's Mum legally or biologically."- Leanne treats Simon like her son, Simon sees her as him mum, she's his mum. Get over it. She doesn't have to share DNA or have it on a piece of paper.

[dog_eat_dog]

Originally Posted by NPP

The most ridiculous arguments.
"Leanne isn't Simon's mum because she left without saying goodbye"- http://************/ce9utpn

Yet Peter, who almost burnt his son to death, constantly creates chaos Simon's life with his bitchassness, cheating ways and alcoholism, and only took him in because it was the one condition that would allow him to inherit everything Lucy left him, he's seen as dad solely because of DNA, and not because he actually acts like a father.

And all this crap about "If Peter/Leanne married WhoDat and ThisOne, would Leanne still be his mum?" What kinda logic...

Oh, but don't you know...Peter's related by blood to Simon, therefore that automatically makes him the better parent. It's really as black and white as that

[Uncle Quentin]

Originally Posted by dog_eat_dog

You mean just after she was left devestated by Peter?

I haven't forgotten about her past at all, yet you seem to have forgotten completely about Peter's very recent inexcusable actions - you know, like being willing to serve a long stretch inside in order to save Carla's skin.

Still, what's 10-15 years in prison, compared to a couple of weeks away trying to get one's head around the fact your hubbie's been having it away with your mate.....what a selfish bitch!

Have I?
That's interesting, not to mention being news to me.

Try reading post # 45 & remind me exactly what 'I seem to have forgotten' again!!

[Raven123]

Originally Posted by NPP

"Leanne is not Simon's Mum legally or biologically."- Leanne treats Simon like her son, Simon sees her as him mum, she's his mum. Get over it. She doesn't have to share DNA or have it on a piece of paper.

Well actually it does have to be legally binding, if Leanne decided she wanted to live in London and take Simon with her, it becomes a case of kidnapping.

[NPP]

Originally Posted by Raven123

Well actually it does have to be legally binding, if Leanne decided she wanted to live in London and take Simon with her, it becomes a case of kidnapping.

But Leanne hasn't decided that, has she? So that holds no relevance here.

[dog_eat_dog]

Originally Posted by Uncle Quentin

Have I?
That's interesting, not to mention being news to me.

Try reading post # 45 & remind me exactly what 'I seem to have forgotten' again!!

Sorry, I don't subscribe to your individual posts! You state in that post that they are both 'dreadful parents', but then go on to say that Peter puts his son's needs above his own selfish needs when that's blatantly not the case.

Anyway, we'll agree to disagree and leave it at that.

[Raven123]

Originally Posted by NPP

But Leanne hasn't decided that, has she? So that holds no relevance here.

It is relevant, as you said it doesn't matter what's on paper as she is his mum.

Simon calling Leanne "Mum" when she is in the same room as Carla and Peter out of spite, does not make her his mum. He's a confused little boy who is rebelling and will soon realise what he's got himself in to.

If I had a kid with someone else, then got married and 6 months down the line realised I didn't love the person I was with, I wouldn't allow my kid to suddenly leave with my now ex wife or refer to her as his mum. The situation is stupid and the writing has been atrocious.

[Uncle Quentin]

Originally Posted by dog_eat_dog

Sorry, I don't subscribe to your individual posts! You state in that post that they are both 'dreadful parents', but then go on to say that Peter puts his son's needs above his own selfish needs when that's blatantly not the case.

Anyway, we'll agree to disagree and leave it at that.

Neither do you read the thread before accusing folk it seems.

Yes, I did say Peter did put his son's needs first, but only when push came to shove!

[Reality Sucks]

Originally Posted by dog_eat_dog

Oh, but don't you know...Peter's related by blood to Simon, therefore that automatically makes him the better parent. It's really as black and white as that

It doesn't automatically make him a better parent, but it does give him rights over someone with no biological connection.

What is it with all these women in Coronation Street who want to take on other people's children anyway? And don't you think there would have been a bit of discussion before actually handing Simon over to Leanne? Typical soapland.

[NPP]

Originally Posted by Raven123

It is relevant, as you said it doesn't matter what's on paper as she is his mum.

Simon calling Leanne "Mum" when she is in the same room as Carla and Peter out of spite, does not make her his mum. He's a confused little boy who is rebelling and will soon realise what he's got himself in to.

If I had a kid with someone else, then got married and 6 months down the line realised I didn't love the person I was with, I wouldn't allow my kid to suddenly leave with my now ex wife or refer to her as his mum. The situation is stupid and the writing has been atrocious.

It isn't relevant, because Leanne hasn't decided anything of the sort yet. Bringing up something that hasn't even been hinted at, let alone happened, is irrelevant. There are many things Leanne could "plan", but until she does plan them, they have no place in the conversation.

And Simon was referring to Leanne as "mum" BEFORE Carla, so that's dead.

[dog_eat_dog]

Originally Posted by Uncle Quentin

Neither do you read the thread before accusing folk it seems.

Yes, I did say Peter did put his son's needs first, but only when push came to shove!

Accusing you of what exactly?

Anyway, whatever constitutes push and shove to you, Peter certainly has not put Simon's needs over his own. In any sense of the word.

The only selfless thing Peter has done recently is to hand Simon over to the person he actually wants to live with.

[Raven123]

Originally Posted by NPP

And Simon was referring to Leanne as "mum" BEFORE Carla, so that's dead.

He picks and chooses when he wants to say it. He barely said it when her and Peter were together, but the writers suddenly decided to emphasise the point when they split up.

Just like the Saint Stella and Tina the Heroine stroylines they have going on, it's all maipulation in to making the viewer change their mind about certain characters.

[Reality Sucks]

Originally Posted by dog_eat_dog

Accusing you of what exactly?

Anyway, whatever constitutes push and shove to you, Peter certainly has not put Simon's needs over his own. In any sense of the word.

The only selfless thing Peter has done recently is to hand Simon over to the person he actually wants to live with.

But it's also somewhat extraordinary that Simon doesn't seem to have any compunction about leaving his father and going to live with Leanne. In reality, he would be torn between the two, which is why it's not generally a question that you ask a child ie. Which 'parent' do you want to live with? All Simon had been saying is that he wanted to see Leanne, not necessarily live with her.

The sensible option would have been to give Leanne access.

It's all worked out rather well for Carla though She doesn't have to deal with the smart remarks any more. However, it won't be long before Peter turns on her for 'causing' the situation.

Also, I doubt that Peter would have done an about turn like that in real life. But I suppose he's always been a bit of an all or nothing person.

[k9fan]

Originally Posted by Reality Sucks

She's behaving like a typical woman scorned. The drink was not an issue for her when she was living with him. Simon is not her child at the end of the day. Most courts would not grant a step parent access rights once the marriage had broken down. leanne had not adopted Simon so legally has no parental rights. Her only hope is to prove that Peter is an irresponsible parent, which he hasn't been.

Originally Posted by Raven123

Peter frequently told Leanne to leave him and Simon alone, she didn't listen, by law he could have got an injunction out on her as she betrayed his wishes.

He could have then got her done for harrassment, she has no right's to Simon apart from she was married to Peter for a year which is nothing.

Untrue.

The legal point of view - http://www.chafes.co.uk/2012/04/coro...-simon-barlow/



Not long ago Peter told Leanne that she should always be a part of Simon's life.

[NPP]

Originally Posted by Raven123

He picks and chooses when he wants to say it. He barely said it when her and Peter were together, but the writers suddenly decided to emphasise the point when they split up.

Just like the Saint Stella and Tina the Heroine stroylines they have going on, it's all maipulation in to making the viewer change their mind about certain characters.

And that's his prerogative. It doesn't matter. You were wrong when you said he did it out of spite, when in fact, he was doing it before.