[CherryRose]

http://www.digitalspy.co.uk/showbiz/...-marriage.html

Now I know my opinion might be controversial but I really don't know why people who are gay would want to get married in a church? Why would anyone want to get married in a organisation who doesn't think you're relationship is "worthy" of marriage in a religious sense. I am not homophobic and I do believe everyone has the right to a legal marriage, just dont understand why someone would want to enter partnership in a religion that no matter how hard you try and no matter law you change they will always be against your way of life.

C of E
Catholic
Muslim
Jewish and so on

You can't change what was written 100's of years ago

[JarkdeLuxe]

Originally Posted by CherryRose

You can't change what was written 100's of years ago

You can challenge whether it was ever written or whether the it's now been made redundant by the changing face of society. Hundreds of years ago people didn't even know that being gay was a thing. Nobody was open about their urges. Gay activity was totally clandestine! Why would the church have written that marriage could be the union of man and man given those circumstances?

[Pete Callan]

Gay people with religious beliefs should be able to marry whomever they choose in the eyes of not only the law but of their chosen faith. Religion is subjective and changeable, and should move with the times, not stick to a bunch of rules made a thousand years ago by a group of old codgers, most of which don't apply in today's society. I'm not religious myself, but if I was, why shouldn't I be able to marry in front of my god?

[jeppa]

Originally Posted by Pete Callan

Gay people with religious beliefs should be able to marry whomever they choose in the eyes of not only the law but of their chosen faith. Religion is subjective and changeable, and should move with the times, not stick to a bunch of rules made a thousand years ago by a group of old codgers, most of which don't apply in today's society. I'm not religious myself, but if I was, why shouldn't I be able to marry in front of my god?

We really can`t change the beliefs and rules of our religion that have been there from the beginning. It doesn`t just apply to gay people, I`ve been a Catholic all my life but when it came to the man I fell in love with he`d been married previously. I couldn`t get married in my church and neither could I receive any of the sacraments, it was only when my husband became too ill with cancer so that we couldn`t have a sexual relationship that I was able to become a full member of my church again. I knew this would happen when I married him and I accepted it, I know lots of people won`t agree with me but I can`t see the church changing it`s rules any time soon and, even though I hated what happened to me, we have to respect the beliefs of our church, we make our decision and we can`t expect the church to change just for us.

[CherryRose]

Originally Posted by Pete Callan

Gay people with religious beliefs should be able to marry whomever they choose in the eyes of not only the law but of their chosen faith. Religion is subjective and changeable, and should move with the times, not stick to a bunch of rules made a thousand years ago by a group of old codgers, most of which don't apply in today's society. I'm not religious myself, but if I was, why shouldn't I be able to marry in front of my god?

The bible is supposively written by Jesuss discliples, the sections are based on what Jesus said you can't change that.

You see for me I believe in God but I think the church exploits God, I feel the church represents itself. Although I am religious I didn't get married in a church, I had children before I was married and don't agree with many things written in the bible so I didn't want to get married in a place which didn't see my way of life as right path to take. To get married infront of "God" you don't need to do it in a church, "God" is not confined within church walls, he/she is allowed out.

It is not only gay couples that are turned away from the church for marriage, divorcees are sometimes turned away.

Charles the air to the throne, the future head PMSL of the church of England never got married to Camila in a church because Camila is a divorcee.

Start a new religion I say.

Can you seriously see Mosques allowing gay people to get married there?

[Milton Jones]

If your going to try change the rules "because it suits the change in society" why even follow the religion, if thats the case why not make having affairs or sex outside of marriage acceptable now in the religion and change the scripts seeing as it is accepted in nowadays society.

[CherryRose]

Originally Posted by JarkdeLuxe

You can challenge whether it was ever written or whether the it's now been made redundant by the changing face of society. Hundreds of years ago people didn't even know that being gay was a thing. Nobody was open about their urges. Gay activity was totally clandestine! Why would the church have written that marriage could be the union of man and man given those circumstances?

Love, Christianity was a crime and they wrote about it. Jesus was nailed to a cross for his beliefs.

[JarkdeLuxe]

Originally Posted by CherryRose

Love, Christianity was a crime and they wrote about it. Jesus was nailed to a cross for his beliefs.

But homosexuality wasn't a 'crime' because it wasn't even a recognised phenomenon.

[bumpandgrind]

The law being debated is to allow Civil Marriage. It has nothing to do with religion. It's just the churches mouthing off and being homophobic as per usual and scare mongering the Daily Mail readers.

[LiamBerryTea ~]

He should not be using his celebrity status to promote being gay as morally right.
It's an opinion and we're told it IS right.
We all have opinions and I think it's terribly belittling to be told something is right or wrong just because it is in their opinion.

There may be reasons he feels homosexuality is right but there sure are also reasons many people believe it to be wrong, dating far far back.

I'm a Christian but I'm not going to judge here wether in my opinion it's right or wrong but to tell someone what they should and shouldn't feel is something i feel to be very patronising indeed

[silentNate]

Originally Posted by JarkdeLuxe

But homosexuality wasn't a 'crime' because it wasn't even a recognised phenomenon.

The Greeks seem to like it though

[bumpandgrind]

One of the major problems the church apparently have with the concept of gay marriage is that it redefines the state of marriage, that venerable old institution to which change is not acceptable. This viewpoint, however, misses out around 2000 years of society; marriage in the Bible could be defined in many ways – including being between a soldier and woman he had raped and between a man and his many wives – I think we can all agree that those particular aspects of marriage have no place in the modern world, meaning that marriage has before been changed to suit the social mores of the age. We also now have divorce, which was introduced by the state to the church, and indeed was part of the formation of a whole new church, and which has, again, changed the concept and meaning of marriage for ever.

Once rape went out of fashion, and polygamy was decided on as distinctly unchristian, marriage could be redefined, but only between a man and a woman. Once Henry was done chopping the heads off women and wanted a quicker, and less bloody way to get rid of them so he could marry the next lucky lady, divorce was introduced, but only between heterosexuals so that both could be free to marry other heterosexuals. So far, so christian; clearly changes to the estate of marriage are perfectly acceptable, as long as no gays get involved.

The state and religion should be separated. The church take social commentary from a book written 2000 years ago and believes we should make legal decisions based on what he’s sure a ghost wants. Really? This is how we’re making laws?

[SULLA]

Originally Posted by CherryRose

http://www.digitalspy.co.uk/showbiz/...-marriage.html

Now I know my opinion might be controversial but I really don't know why people who are gay would want to get married in a church? Why would anyone want to get married in a organisation who doesn't think you're relationship is "worthy" of marriage in a religious sense. I am not homophobic and I do believe everyone has the right to a legal marriage, just dont understand why someone would want to enter partnership in a religion that no matter how hard you try and no matter law you change they will always be against your way of life.

C of E
Catholic
Muslim
Jewish and so on

You can't change what was written 100's of years ago

Originally Posted by Pete Callan

Gay people with religious beliefs should be able to marry whomever they choose in the eyes of not only the law but of their chosen faith. Religion is subjective and changeable, and should move with the times, not stick to a bunch of rules made a thousand years ago by a group of old codgers, most of which don't apply in today's society. I'm not religious myself, but if I was, why shouldn't I be able to marry in front of my god?

A very good answer and I agree with all of it.

[los.kav]

Anyone that wants to stay with the rules laid out by the Bible should take a look at their rules about rape. If that isn't an argument that society has evolved since those books were written then I don't know what is.

[Jack Nasty]

I'm not a fan of Antony Cotton but I totally agree with him on this subject. Has anyone from the CoE actually read the proposal? Equal marriage will only apply to civil marriages, religions will not be forced to marry anyone they don't want to (in fact, religions that do want to marry gay people will still be prevented from doing so). It's about the law of the land, it doesn't affect the Church in any way. They're just twisting the facts to promote their own homophobic agenda

[Glomper]

A lot of people want to get married in Church because Churches look better than the local Registry Office and give a better atmosphere, I suggest.

Of course others want to for personal beliefs.

There is of course these days the flexibility to get married in other places, for whatever reason.

Isn't there something in The Bible about the reason for getting married is to procreate ?

[RobInnes]

Originally Posted by CherryRose

http://www.digitalspy.co.uk/showbiz/...-marriage.html

Now I know my opinion might be controversial but I really don't know why people who are gay would want to get married in a church? Why would anyone want to get married in a organisation who doesn't think you're relationship is "worthy" of marriage in a religious sense. I am not homophobic and I do believe everyone has the right to a legal marriage, just dont understand why someone would want to enter partnership in a religion that no matter how hard you try and no matter law you change they will always be against your way of life.

C of E
Catholic
Muslim
Jewish and so on

You can't change what was written 100's of years ago

100% spot on -and I'm gay myself. It literally makes no sense to me. I understand that there are gay people that believe in God, but why the hell they'd want to get married in the eyes of a religion that opposes them is beyond me completely. Could be that I'm not in the slightest bit religious and I want to get married on a sunset beach.

[Irma Bunt]

Originally Posted by Glomper

A lot of people want to get married in Church because Churches look better than the local Registry Office and give a better atmosphere, I suggest.

Of course others want to for personal beliefs.

There is of course these days the flexibility to get married in other places, for whatever reason.

Isn't there something in The Bible about the reason for getting married is to procreate ?

There's also something about it being a sin to eat shellfish, for men not to wear beards and adulterers should be stoned to death. Those who quote the Bible - a collection of fairy stories and superstitions if ever there was one -are always very selective in which bits they cherry pick to quote in justifying their bigotry.

And isn't one of the fundamental tenets of Christianity supposedly "tolerance"? The CofE is showing precious little of that in the debate over gay marriage.

[Lizzie Brookes]

Originally Posted by Pete Callan

Gay people with religious beliefs should be able to marry whomever they choose in the eyes of not only the law but of their chosen faith. Religion is subjective and changeable, and should move with the times, not stick to a bunch of rules made a thousand years ago by a group of old codgers, most of which don't apply in today's society. I'm not religious myself, but if I was, why shouldn't I be able to marry in front of my god?

I agree.

[CherryRose]

Originally Posted by JarkdeLuxe

But homosexuality wasn't a 'crime' because it wasn't even a recognised phenomenon.

How do you know? Homosexuality is not a choice it's who someone is it hasn't evolved with time. It's just people would have been to scared to be public about it back then. Since Jesus was "apparently" the seer of the future of what is wrong and right it's pretty naff that he didn't forsee homosexuality.

The church was created to control, it was never created for religion. They will not even recognise that Jesus closest friend was a woman.

Even though the law states men and women have equal rights women still can not become preists.

[kittykat30]

Originally Posted by JarkdeLuxe

But homosexuality wasn't a 'crime' because it wasn't even a recognised phenomenon.

No it wasn't a crime, but It was recognised. We know for a fact that homosexuality has been around at least as long as civilized societies have. The Greeks and Romans were very open about it. As I am sure others were which is why the Christians etc condemned it because they saw it and personally disagreed with it. Before the holy books condemned homosexuality it was openly practiced in some places. And it was not illegal in those places.

The church didn't have a right then and they still have no right now to dictate human sexuality or adult sexual practices. They spend far too much time obsessing over gay sex and relationships when there is so much more they should be thinking off. They have lost so much power and influence over the years that they are hanging onto homosexuality as a issue because it's the last place they have any kind of influence. But they won't win this time and gay marriage will become law whether they like it or not. It's has nothing to do with them and they should frankly mind their own business and shut up. No one is saying they personally have to marry someone of the same sex, or be the person who marries a same sex couple. Therefore they have no right to try and dictate anything about this law.

Equality is essential to a balanced society. They either stay in their little bigoted corner by themselves or they join an equal society. The more they refuse to move with the times the more it will ultimately destroy their institution. They are becoming less and less relevant as time passes, and that is their own doing by still trying to live by 2000 yr old words. They aren't suitable for a modern world.

[noodkleopatra]

No, I don't think the church *must* accept gay marriage, but *I* think it *should*...

But, as marriage is no longer a religious institution - it's a state run one - I say bollocks to the Church.What they think quite frankly doesn't matter. Let each Church decide if they want to accept (and perform) same-sex marriages or not.

[Fayecorgasm]

Im all for it because I want to see how the divorce rates measure up but then Im nasty that way

[kittykat30]

Originally Posted by Fayecorgasm

Im all for it because I want to see how the divorce rates measure up but then Im nasty that way

You can find out right now as civil partnerships are considered on par with marriage atm. And gay couples statistically have a lower divorce rate in the UK. Less gay couples do get divorced, and it's obvious why. They were denied the right for so long that when they get it it means more to them and the cherish their marriages more than prehaps some straight couples do, who take it for granted. Though you will have gay couples who get the right and stupidly get married just because they can and then realize they never should have, so get divorced lol. That is bound to happen, though overall I think the divorce rates will stay lower for the reasons I mentioned.

[MissLola]

I don't think religions should accept to conduct gay marriage if it goes against their dogmas. Being homosexual is not a choice but religion is. Why some gay people want to be part of an institution that think they are sinners who gonna rot in hell is beyond me.

Edit: I've just read AC interview and actually all he says is that the Church should stop slagging off gay marriage and that the Church should mind its own business as the decision belongs to the government.