[yappy]

Originally Posted by InkyPinky

It's the sun. You noe it's the sun. It's from Egypt it's sunny there.

its not the sun, no one draws the sun like that...... its a flying saucer and the lines represent the aliens giving knowledge and wisdom to the egyptian pharaohs!

[Cornucopia]

"Do you think we will make contact with Aliens in your life time?"

No. I think that belief in alien life (that which has no association with us) is bad science.

For example: whilst Neil Degrasse Tyson is a highly entertaining science speaker, there are a number of errors in the YT clip. The initial "must be life as a consequence of the size of the Universe" needs to take into account the fundamental anthropic bias involved. And his supposition later that there is a "direction" to change in DNA and that a 1% difference could give rise to improved knowledge and knowledge processing capability is pure speculation.

[alfster]

Originally Posted by Cornucopia

"Do you think we will make contact with Aliens in your life time?"

No. I think that belief in alien life (that which has no association with us) is bad science.

For example: whilst Neil Degrasse Tyson is a highly entertaining science speaker, there are a number of errors in the YT clip. The initial "must be life as a consequence of the size of the Universe" needs to take into account the fundamental anthropic bias involved. And his supposition later that there is a "direction" to change in DNA and that a 1% difference could give rise to improved knowledge and knowledge processing capability is pure speculation.

It's not bad science at all...we KNOW life has evolved on one planet already...ours...there is no reason given the number of galaxies found (within the last 100years...remember we didn't even know the universe extended PAST the Milky Way until circa 1920 with Hubble doing his work).

This totally changed the possibilities and probabalities of life evolving elsewhere.

Degrasse Tyson's statement is of course speculation but it is based on a good analogy...us to a worm...

[stargazer61]

Originally Posted by yappy

afternoon stargazer

oh really, whats this then......http://www.strangecosmos.com/images/content/113344.jpg... more evidence of aliens visiting the ancient egyptians.....

Er..if you look at the whole picture and not the cropped bit, you will see it is a vase with a plant in it!

http://totheinfinite.blogspot.co.uk/...ent-egypt.html

Next........................!

[Cornucopia]

Originally Posted by alfster

It's not bad science at all...we KNOW life has evolved on one planet already...ours...there is no reason given the number of galaxies found...

No. One data point is not significant anyway, and even if it were it is undermined by anthropic bias: the failure to remove from the analysis the effect of the nature/location of the observer.

It does seem to be common amongst (at least televisual) scientists to make this error. I wonder if they are either trying to enthuse the public or gain more funding? Perhaps both.

[howard h]

I'd be happy just to make contact with my power company. That would be nice.

[jsmith99]

Originally Posted by HillmanImp

............. if it was possible to create a virtual universe then 99.9999% of all universes would be virtual , therefore it would be a 99.99999% certainty that we're in one and that we're just part of a game..............

Any sentence beginning "if it was possible" (I assume you mean 'were possible') can only lead to a ludicrous conclusion. Not helped by the verb tense errors in the last clause. Both instances of 'we're' should read 'we were', giving a completely different meaning.

[Dan Fortesque]

No.

[yappy]

Originally Posted by stargazer61

Er..if you look at the whole picture and not the cropped bit, you will see it is a vase with a plant in it!

http://totheinfinite.blogspot.co.uk/...ent-egypt.html

Next........................!

er oh okay....... fair enough.............. plenty more evidence out there tho

just been looking at this proof of deformed skulls found in ancient egypt there is no way that is human

http://www.unidentified-flying-objec..._evidence.html (scroll down for pics)

[TelevisionUser]

Do you think we will make contact with Aliens in your life time?

It all depends how you define the word "Aliens".

For example, within the Solar System there might be microbial life that has independently evolved on Europa, Enceladus or Mars (in decreasing possibility) and that would count as alien life.

Further afield, it is possible that within the next 50 years, Earth telescopes could discover life-bearing worlds in other solar systems based on the spectroscopic analysis of the atmospheric composition of those planets which could indicate an atmosphere that has been altered by microbial and photosynthetic activity.

I should add that a life-bearing world does not necessarily imply a world inhabited by sentient beings because other words could, for example, be at their equivalent of the Precambrian era.

[stargazer61]

Originally Posted by yappy

er oh okay....... fair enough.............. plenty more evidence out there tho

just been looking at this proof of deformed skulls found in ancient egypt there is no way that is human

http://www.unidentified-flying-objec..._evidence.html (scroll down for pics)

Ummm Yappy, if you refer back to some of your previous threads you may recall that deformed skulls has already been covered

. Humans have long had a propensity to decorate or deform their bodies. Tattooing, for example, is a very ancient practice are body piercings eg nose, ear, lip. Until recently, many Chinese women underwent foot bandaging from birth so that as adults their feet were tiny, malformed and hardly able to weight bear. In some African cultures, neck rings are progressively attached around human necks which become extremely elongated. And so it is with skull deformation.

Many many ancient cultures, all over the world , can be shown to have bandaged infant skulls from birth so that over time the skull becomes elongated. There are even written records about cranial deformation practices:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Artific...al_deformation

All of the skulls ARE quite clearly human skulls just deformed. All the human features are there...just misshapen. There is no indication whatsoever that the bone itself is not human bone...whether it be in the bone structure itself, muscle attachments, jaw structure, etc.

In addition(!) there has been much debate as to why Akenaten and his family, including Nefertiti (his wife and the example you supplied and is a photo of a statue), were depicted with elongated skulls. There is a lot of evidence to suggest that one of the reasons is because Akenaten suffered from Marfan's Syndrome, the symptoms of which include a long narrow face and elongated skull. Marfan's Syndrome is genetic and can be passed on to children; scans show that Tutankhamum showed some characteristics of Marfan's. Depictions in this period of Egyptian history are often naturalistic but exaggerated and pertain to the whole family. If you look at a whole picture of Akenaten, you will see that other features of his body, relate to characteristics of Marfens and it appears,that it was 'fashionable' to portray the whole family in this way

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Akhenaten

[m4rk1]

If your looking for reliable witnesses who claim there is plenty of evidence alien craft are already here, you could watch
This

It has about twenty witnesses mostly from the military who have the highest security clearances possible. They were people like generals in command of the nuclear missile bases, pilots, radar operators and direct investigators of UFO phenomena. Although he's not on this video I've seen one with almost the same line up where one guy's job was to activate the missiles and keep them in a permanent state of readiness. They were supposedly switched off at several bases across the UK and USA by crafts hovering above the bases and this guy had the job of driving round getting them all working again.

It's fairly hard to find more credible witnesses than these people surely? They're not doing it for the money either, given the size of military pension they are probably on.

Edit: Here's a better version of the same theme
- ignore the god crap on screen though it doesn't detract from the testimonies you here

[David (2)]

Originally Posted by KarlSomething

Contact, no, as in any form of communication, or awareness of awareness. But I think it's likely that we'll detect planets with atmospheres that indicate life (within a couple of generations), if we keep scaling up our means of observation. Finding out whether they have "intelligent" life there, I suppose that might mean a technologically capable species, still no.



Reality is real to those who experience it as reality. If this is someone's manufactured simulation, we still have to deal with the laws and limitations of where we are.

Finding earth type planets far away with some form of atmosphere is gone to happen quite soon, not in generations. They can already detect atmospheres on larger distant worlds, the smallest so far very described as a "Super Earth" is a few times the size of earth, so we are not far away from finding distant earth size planets with atmospheres, and even getting some idea of what that atmosphere is made up of. The SETI project is no longer making educated guesses at where to look for signals - they are working with the planet hunters to find the most likely area's to have life, which i think will significantly boost their chances. That said, if aliens are out there, will they be using a signal that we could detect?

Closer to home, i have not ruled out the chance of finding limited, cell/baterial type life on the planet Mars, maybe in certain area's, and under the surface. Even if its not alive now, there could be reamains of it from the past when Mars was a nicer place.

I do think that we will make contact within the next 100 years, so maybe not quite in my lifetime, or maybe it will be.

[stargazer61]

Originally Posted by David (2)

Finding earth type planets far away with some form of atmosphere is gone to happen quite soon, not in generations. They can already detect atmospheres on larger distant worlds, the smallest so far very described as a "Super Earth" is a few times the size of earth, so we are not far away from finding distant earth size planets with atmospheres, and even getting some idea of what that atmosphere is made up of. The SETI project is no longer making educated guesses at where to look for signals - they are working with the planet hunters to find the most likely area's to have life, which i think will significantly boost their chances. That said, if aliens are out there, will they be using a signal that we could detect?

Closer to home, i have not ruled out the chance of finding limited, cell/baterial type life on the planet Mars, maybe in certain area's, and under the surface. Even if its not alive now, there could be reamains of it from the past when Mars was a nicer place.

I do think that we will make contact within the next 100 years, so maybe not quite in my lifetime, or maybe it will be.

Agreed. I think the chances of finding that there once was some form of life upon Mars are quite good.

[KJ44]

Define "make contact".

We might receive a radio signal. That's not contact, contact is mutual.

For us to reply and receive an acknowledgement will take 2D years, where D is the distance between the aliens and us, measured in light-years. The aliens need only wait D years.

So, we live three score years and ten. Are there aliens within 35 light years of us?

[phylo_roadking]

Do you think we will make contact with Aliens in your life time?

It all depends how you define the word "Aliens".

An unshakeable belief in the abilities of the pre-WWI Imperial German Navy would be high on the list of criteria!

[15Million℃]

Originally Posted by alfster

I would dispute that. Just because there are lots of variables doesn't mean something can only happen once...if it can happen here there is no reason it can't happen anywhere else.

The variables aren;t beyond comprehension I would say you are coming from a stance of personal incredulity there.

The Drake Equation is an interesting thing to look at.

I do agree with your distances comment though.

I posted yesterday on another thread about alien life (conspiracy thread).

Also, define 'make contact' it's not too far out that we might get messages sent out by a race elsewhere in the galaxy...probably long dead by now...just like in a few 100000years some galaxy might pick up signals from Earth...let's hope they don't tune into ITV...

****************************************************************

Oh and I've been having a bit of a Degrasse Tyson binge recently. Well worth watching some of his other stuff on youtube:

with

Dawkins
Stephen Colbert(out of character)
And this...just brilliant the 90minutes will fly by. If you have any interest at all in sceince, rational thought and (un)common sense then you will love this...and if you don't...watch it anyway and even if you don't agree at least you will have had someone give a clear response to all these things.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8vfOp...eature=related

Well yes, I suppose it's possible to win* the Euro Millions 4 times in a row, with the same set of numbers. Possible, but the possibility is so remote, it's negligible and not going to happen in any time frame that the lottery is played in.

Remember, time is passing by, so variables change, so the chances of our planets mix coming along again has also changed. I suppose it's arguable there is more chance of it happening, but personally thinking about it as logically as I am able to comprehend, along with my faith, I don't think it's happened/going to happen.

What I could see has a possibility is one of our satellites spinning off into space, crashing into some far off planet and starting a reaction which could start some form of life. Doubt that's possible though. I'm sure someone will put me right on that

And I agree, I am speaking from my personal incredulity on the subject. Not sure how anyone could do anything else on this subject

I also doubt the general public would be made aware if a planet with life is discovered. Just imagine what would happen.

* I'm not comparing the possibility of our planet to 4 wins, it's just an example.

[KJ44]

Originally Posted by 15Million℃

Well yes, I suppose it's possible to win* the Euro Millions 4 times in a row, with the same set of numbers. Possible, but the possibility is so remote, it's negligible and not going to happen in any time frame that the lottery is played in.

Yet it's a certainty that someone wins the euromillions lottery.

[15Million℃]

Originally Posted by KJ44

Yet it's a certainty that someone wins the euromillions lottery.

No it's not. There are roll-overs every other week, sometimes weeks on end.

Plus I did say win 4 in row, with the same set of numbers each week. I'm not just talking about 3 numbers either

[phylo_roadking]

Yet it's a certainty that someone wins the euromillions lottery.

Is it? How many "rollover" planets are there out there - with ALL the advantages to starting and developing life...AND intelligent life at that....and yet where the spark of life never kindled???

[David (2)]

I also think that there are not just 1 type of alien, like the little Grays. Going to many more, but they might be spread out over a large area of space.

If they do make contact, or more to the point land and say hi, or.....have already done so and we get disclosure, it doesnt follow that it will all be good thereafter.....for example if we got tech from it that dramatically changes the way we can live, like a replacemt for oil, there would be lots of problems in that regard - if everyone in the world had the tech. Just think, Iran, North Korea with unlimited power...what would they use it for.....with this in mind, if as some think contact has already been made (not saying this is true) say with the western powers, then you can understand (even if you dont agree) why it would be covered up and kept behind closed doors - so not to let the bad guys get the same tech and use it against us. But also so the oil and petrodollar keeps on rolling which the rest of us are signed up to (eg, we have no choice but to use it, which makes them a load of money).

With aliens being so far away, the issue of speed becomes an issue. But what if these aliens are so advanced they have been in space for hundreds of years, with many of them leaving their home planets to explore space. If they had been doing that for hundreds of years, or longer, then they could be much closer than we think.

While I agree there must be many planets with life out there in total, i dont think that life is everywhere. If you look at our solar system, out of 8 only 1 can support life like ours. You have to rule out tiny planets/moons with no atmosphere, any planets to close to the parent sun (too hot), any too far away from their sun (too cold), planets like gas giants such as Saturn, any size planet with a poison atmosphere. Out of the remainder, you have to rule out a number for planets that have suffered some sort of natural catastrophe, like a planet collision or changes to the enviroment. Ofcourse, simple basic life might be on many of those type planets, but they couldnt support higher life like us. Of the aliens that do develope, you have to drop some due to wars etc. So, out of the local area in the Milkyway, i might guess there is only the chance of between 12 and 25 Earth type planets (kinda depends on how big or small you consider the word local to be).

[KJ44]

Originally Posted by phylo_roadking

Is it? How many "rollover" planets are there out there - with ALL the advantages to starting and developing life...AND intelligent life at that....and yet where the spark of life never kindled???

I'm poking holes in a bad analogy.

Our galaxy is huge. I simply can't conceive that there is no other intelligent life in the Milky Way. I take your point, but my take is that the number of advanced technological civilisations is low enough to explain the Fermi Paradox given the speed of light.

Isaac Asimov did a fair analysis back in the day.

[15Million℃]

Anyway for all we know, 'they' might already be here living with us, harvesting us or preparing us for something.

[15Million℃]

Originally Posted by KJ44

I'm poking holes in a bad analogy.

Was no need to, I had already mentioned it wasn't really a comparison. Plenty of holes in this thread, thats the nature of discussing something you don't really know anything about.

Plus the question was '...in your lifetime'.

[KJ44]

Originally Posted by 15Million℃

Anyway for all we know, 'they' might already be here living with us, harvesting us or preparing us for something.

Get a grip and stop being so parochial.

If they are friendly, they would have said "Hi".

If they are hostile, our Sun would have gone nova, or we'd be head-butting a dinosaur killer asteroid.