[rasbo]

Can't we merge the 2 - Kwing or queeing or something? Same with actor actress, waiter waitress. Its discrimination against possible transgender roles, and is sexist.

[Si_Crewe]

A word such as "monarch", perhaps?

[Ethel_Fred]

They aren't the same. King is always superior to Queen which is why we don't have a King Philip but did have a Queen Elizabeth (QE2's mother)

[A321]

Originally Posted by rasbo

Can't we merge the 2 - Kwing or queeing or something? Same with actor actress, waiter waitress. Its discrimination against possible transgender roles, and is sexist.

I agree with you regarding the words 'actor' and 'waiter'. I don't see why these should be separate. The term 'doctoress' for example is not used anymore.

[KarlSomething]

Originally Posted by rasbo

Can't we merge the 2 - Kwing or queeing or something? Same with actor actress, waiter waitress. Its discrimination against possible transgender roles, and is sexist.

Sexism really isn't the thing to be concerned with, when it comes to monarchy.

[lemoncurd]

Originally Posted by rasbo

Can't we merge the 2 - Kwing or queeing or something? Same with actor actress, waiter waitress. Its discrimination against possible transgender roles, and is sexist.

Like "Mr" and "Mrs" intstead of "Person". Or "Husband" and "Wife" instead of "Spouse".

[Generalissimo]

But they don't mean the same thing, a King is a male monarch and a Queen is a female monarch. It's like asking why we distinguish between 'man' and 'woman'.

[irishguy]

Originally Posted by A321

I agree with you regarding the words 'actor' and 'waiter'. I don't see why these should be separate. The term 'doctoress' for example is not used anymore.

Did the term doctoress ever exist?

Anyway, you could argue the need for actor / actress, as unlike with doctors where the sex is irrelevant to the job, the sex of the individual is pretty important for the characters they will be chosen to play.

[BrooklynBoy]

Originally Posted by rasbo

Can't we merge the 2 - Kwing or queeing or something? Same with actor actress, waiter waitress. Its discrimination against possible transgender roles, and is sexist.

Seriously? It's against transgender roles? Does the UK have a lot of transsexuals being crowned?

[Caldari]

Originally Posted by rasbo

Can't we merge the 2 - Kwing or queeing or something? Same with actor actress, waiter waitress. Its discrimination against possible transgender roles, and is sexist.

This has to be a wind-up.

[A321]

Originally Posted by irishguy

Did the term doctoress ever exist?

Anyway, you could argue the need for actor / actress, as unlike with doctors where the sex is irrelevant to the job, the sex of the individual is pretty important for the characters they will be chosen to play.

Doctoress is an archaic term. Used around the beginning of the 20th century I believe. I still believe the word actor should be a catch all. In the profession I'm in casting often calls for a M or F actor and it's pretty obvious what role they will e playing.

I can't understand the waiter/waitress one though.

[irishguy]

Originally Posted by A321

Doctoress is an archaic term. Used around the beginning of the 20th century I believe. I still believe the word actor should be a catch all. In the profession I'm in casting often calls for a M or F actor and it's pretty obvious what role they will e playing.

Why though? And why do casting calls ask for a 'Male actor' or 'Female actor' when they could just use the terms actor or actress instead... seems a bit pointless not to

[A321]

Originally Posted by irishguy

Why though? And why do casting calls ask for a 'Male actor' or 'Female actor' when they could just use the terms actor or actress instead... seems a bit pointless not to

The people and agencies I work with never use the two terms. Men and women both describe themselves as 'actors'. To be honest, I've never asked why. Maybe they're just not concerned about the gender specific roles and just see themselves as someone who acts.

[Victoria Sponge]

I've seen the word 'server' used in place of 'waiter/waitress'.

[Lain Andrews]

Achieve, accomplish, attain, reach.

Test, exam.

House, home.

Astonishing, astounding, fantastic.

Fantastical, incredible, marvelous.

Miraculous, phenomenal, prodigious.

Stupendous, unbelievable, wonderful.

Wondrous, extraordinary, wicked, awesome.

Great,glorious, fabulous, remarkable.

Magnificent, excellent, pleasent.

[pugamo]

Originally Posted by rasbo

Can't we merge the 2 - Kwing or queeing or something? Same with actor actress, waiter waitress. Its discrimination against possible transgender roles, and is sexist.

Men and women are different. If you are trying to imply that women are somehow regarded as 'less' because of their title, then I may consider your argument. But I don't believe they are, I believe they are considered 'other' rather than 'less' and why shouldn't it be so?

[grumpyscot]

Thank heavens this "conversation" isn't bssed on French language, where everything is either make or female in language but not necessarily the same gender in real life.

e.g. a door is female - la porte, yet how can it be 'cos its inanimate!

No wonder the french are weird people!

[blueblade]

I'm not bothered about King and Queen, but I do prefer "the world and their partner" to "the world and his wife" (just a little something that was passed onto me in a diversity awareness course)

[JulesandSand]

Originally Posted by blueblade

I'm not bothered about King and Queen, but I do prefer "the world and their partner" to "the world and his wife" (just a little something that was passed onto me in a diversity awareness course)

A diversity awareness course.

Dear God (or Goddess)

[blueblade]

Originally Posted by JulesandSand

A diversity awareness course.

Dear God (or Goddess)

Yep, they're mandatory at work for every member of staff ~ every 12 months

[JulesandSand]

Originally Posted by blueblade

Yep, they're mandatory at work for every member of staff ~ every 12 months

For what sort of job may I ask?

[Fizgig]

Originally Posted by rasbo

Can't we merge the 2 - Kwing or queeing or something? Same with actor actress, waiter waitress. Its discrimination against possible transgender roles, and is sexist.

Why?
You're getting mixed up with discrimination and differentiation. How is recognising someone's gender sexist?
Have you been on some kind of 'course' through work?. Wach a lot of tv?

[TheSilentFez]

'Tis the remnants of the English gender system.

[grumpyscot]

Originally Posted by blueblade

Yep, they're mandatory at work for every member of staff ~ every 12 months

Sounds like the Halifax!

[skp20040]

Originally Posted by rasbo

Can't we merge the 2 - Kwing or queeing or something? Same with actor actress, waiter waitress. Its discrimination against possible transgender roles, and is sexist.

To me discrimination is when someone is treated unfairly due to who or what they are , be it for their gender their sexuality, their religion , colour etc

To me discrimination is against the person not their title, I for one do not believe sexual discrimination would stop if we were to call every waiter / waitress a waiter ,and would that not be discrimination in itself by choosing to call them all waiters which is deemed to be the male version of the word instead of calling all the males waitresses ?

I find it very odd that so many people want to see things become gender neutral, changing a name does not change any underlying problem.