[Romola_Des_Loup]

Originally Posted by JayDee279

I can't be held responsible for what you have, or have not heard.

Here is the argument, as I understand it.
Benedict might find certain men sexually attractive.
Benedict refuses to be categorised as 'bisexual' simply because he might, at some point, be attracted to certain men.
Benedict refuses to be' put in a box' on the basis of his sexual preferences.
Benedict confuses description with discrimination (in the modern sense).

So, Benedict, applying pure, cold logic, we're not allowed to put ANYONE in a box on the basis of their sexual preferences.
What, Benedict, would you have to say about people who are sexually attracted to children, or to adults with 'special needs' or to goats? Is it REALLY no-one who should be put in a box, or just you?
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Yes, I know .... Benedict can't possibly answer my questions, because he's not in a position to read this, but HIS logic still applies.

Benedict's point was that he HASN'T been sexually attracted to men, but wouldn't rule out the possibility. Someone who was sexually attracted to children but ruled out acting on it it would be a paedophile but a socially responsible one. Someone who has never fancied any children but wouldn't rule it out would probably not be a paedophile, in the same way that Benedict is probably not bisexual. The difference is that they would be a sociopath and he wouldn't. Your argument is illogical

[ligloo]

Surely as a porn *star*, he'll do whatever (within the law anyway) is required if the money is right? Ok, I'm not trying to insinuate that he'd do kids or anything like that but male/female? Wth cares in his industry.... I'm not even in his industry and I dont think it matters....

As a POI, I have a couple of straight friends who in their mid 40's have discovered they aren't as straight as they thought, age has nothing to do with it and IMO when it comes to sex, there really should be no labels!

I've probably not put my point across as well as I would've liked but I hope you get my point

[Reece_B]

Why do people see this as such a hard issue to get their head around? I thought after Corin, people may understand that this sort of thing can happen.

People can be sexually attracted to one gender their entire life and the meet one person and fall in love with them, who aren't in their usual sexual preference e.g. a 'straight' woman can fall in love with a woman, as happened with Corin. This also happened with a woman I know, never been with a woman, was married to a man, divorced, later on met a woman and fell in love. Admittedly it seems to happen more often with women (I'd assume it's maybe to do with women generally being more emotional), but it obviously could happen in men as well.

This is simply all Benedict was saying, I don't see what's wrong with that. Although it wouldn't surprise me on here if people thought Corin was a phoney.

[Zutto]

Originally Posted by ligloo

Surely as a porn *star*, he'll do whatever (within the law anyway) is required if the money is right? Ok, I'm not trying to insinuate that he'd do kids or anything like that but male/female? Wth cares in his industry.... I'm not even in his industry and I dont think it matters....

As a POI, I have a couple of straight friends who in their mid 40's have discovered they aren't as straight as they thought, age has nothing to do with it and IMO when it comes to sex, there really should be no labels!

I've probably not put my point across as well as I would've liked but I hope you get my point

he says he hasn't done gay porn and wouldn't do it, and while you're probably right in saying that he would do it for a lot of money, there's nobody out there who's going to pay him vastly over the odds for that. Within realistic terms he doesn't and won't do scenes with men

[ligloo]

Originally Posted by Zutto

he says he hasn't done gay porn and wouldn't do it, and while you're probably right in saying that he would do it for a lot of money, there's nobody out there who's going to pay him vastly over the odds for that. Within realistic terms he doesn't and won't do scenes with men

Thanks, I missed most of the convo.... but if he said that, then why is this thread even here? Did he state he would or is he just like me and doesn't like labelling people? Either way doesn't sound like his comments warrant a thread LABELLNG him bisexual and calling him odd?

Have I missed something?

[Bingette]

He likes Vagina which is handy coz I have one

[kazzie3314]

Originally Posted by Bingette

He likes Vagina which is handy coz I have one

he likes ass too!!! but then you have that too so guess you will be ok

[Bingette]

Originally Posted by kazzie3314

he likes ass too!!! but then you have that too so guess you will be ok

You actually made me spit out my drink rofl this is true I have everything he can ever need lol

[kazzie3314]

Originally Posted by Bingette

You actually made me spit out my drink rofl this is true I have everything he can ever need lol

that means I am doing my job well and amusing you

[Bingette]

Originally Posted by kazzie3314

that means I am doing my job well and amusing you

very true lol

[Karis]

Originally Posted by digichant

I haven't said that or anything that implies that and I don't think anyone else has either......

So you don't think he was extremely condescending towards Conor during that conversation? I certainly do.

Well, you're reading WAY too much into it. Benedict was merely defending his status as an open-minded person who's seen enough of life to know you can never truly put yourself in any one category.

I think his message was brilliant and the look on Conor's face said how much he couldn't fathom Benedict's message.

Much like most of the posters on here who just want Benedict to be secretly gay.

All those comments drag his statement down into the gutter...

[dash234]

Originally Posted by Lou17

Hes open minded I dont see why he needs to be labelled

He's NOT open-minded, according to interviews on the net. He has made it perfectly clear that he is NOT interested in MEN..

Originally Posted by ChipChomper

I think that might be the issue.
He's not as open minded as makes out its coming back to all that stuff hes left over the internet.Theres none of this dont label me talk there. he makes it clear its women only he likes that sounds like a straight guy.

Exactly! That is the issue.. He has made it known that he isn't into men - all over the net.. Yet, now he's changing his tune.. but he doesn't want to be "labelled" bisexual...Why? Because he's NOT.. He is just trying to entice gay males - for the sake of votes. That's my opinion on the matter.. That conversation was a complete about face from all the crap he's said prior to the BB house..

I think he's a fake and he's playing things up for the viewing audience.. I am NOT impressed..

[Doug Lewis]

Originally Posted by digichant

I really don't like Benedict. So self-righteous and condescending. I can't stand all that "I'm an open minded human" crap. If you like both men and women you are bisexual.. it's simply a fact.

Exactly.

[Doug Lewis]

Originally Posted by cool fool

Pompous gittius

Lolol.

[dash234]

Originally Posted by Paace

Benedict is floating an idea that a lot of people find very uncomfortable to deal with.

Sexual identity is not fixed. I'm sure many of us are bewildered to read that a seemingly happy married woman for many years, can leave her partner and go and live intimately with another woman.
Same can occur for a man.

So are you saying that people can choose their sexuality? That's what your post implies.. "Sexual identity is not fixed" ~ is a really bizarre statement.. Do you not believe that people are born gay, straight or bi ?..

I guess some people still believe that people "choose" to be gay, but I don't buy that..

The people who get married, then later fall in love with someone of the same sex -- most likely ALWAYS had feelings towards the same sex..

The "no label" discussion has been beaten to a pulp.. It is so boring and unoriginal..

But the fact remains - Benedict has made it known that he is not into men.. before the BB house... so his hot tub conversation seemed disingenuous and phony..

[dash234]

Originally Posted by digichant

I really don't like Benedict. So self-righteous and condescending. I can't stand all that "I'm an open minded human" crap. If you like both men and women you are bisexual.. it's simply a fact.

Arron and Benedict are my least favorites right now.. I agree about Benedict.. He comes across as very arrogant, condescending and judgmental.. even though he tries to make it seem like he's open-minded.. He's one of the least open-minded people in the house...

Read his "manifesto" to see how judgmental and dictatorial - he seems.. I am unimpressed with him..

[Aleksis]

Originally Posted by SG-1

He is one of those smart arses who trys to make himself sound wise and intelligent as well as trying to make out he sees no barriers,man of the world and all that shit but basically he came across as condescending and a bit of a pillock.

He is coming across as a very creepy person who likes to dominate the situation.

This is totally it. If the whole world suddenly stopped using labels and categories to describe themselves no one would have a clue who or what they were.

Originally Posted by Paace

Benedict is floating an idea that a lot of people find very uncomfortable to deal with.

Sexual identity is not fixed. I'm sure many of us are bewildered to read that a seemingly happy married woman for many years, can leave her partner and go and live intimately with another woman.
Same can occur for a man.

No one is saying sexuality is fixed and cannot change (I agree with you that it isn't fixed, despite people claiming scientific research to the contrary). People are saying Benedict is being a pretentious git for pulling the whole airy "I don't believe in labels" thing (and even claiming labels are a form of discrimination). Labels are of course not be the be all and end all of human identity and don't account for a lot of complexities, but they're necessary for communicating info about ourselves to others (and ourselves) in a way that's easily understood by everyone.

So what if "I'm mostly straight but could go bi" doesn't account for the deep and mysterious complexities of Benedict's sexuality? No one gives THAT much of a crap, they're probably just cursorily interested in where he stands on the sexuality spectrum.

Originally Posted by Karis

Well, you're reading WAY too much into it. Benedict was merely defending his status as an open-minded person who's seen enough of life to know you can never truly put yourself in any one category.

No, you cannot "truly" put yourself in one category because categories cannot account for the depth of complexity of human psychology and blah di blah, but it's sort of necessary to put yourself in categories in social life in order to make certain things more clear and comprehensible for everyone, or else it gets really vague and confusing.

I think his message was brilliant and the look on Conor's face said how much he couldn't fathom Benedict's message.

Or he correctly recognised it was pretentious rubbish that deliberately evaded clarity in favour of an airy "I transcend categories" thing.

Much like most of the posters on here who just want Benedict to be secretly gay.

LOL where the hell did this random accusation come from? I haven't seen anything about people wanting Benedict to be gay.

All those comments drag his statement down into the gutter...

Oh golly, not the gutter. Benedict's divine mystical incomprehensible sexuality deserves better!!

[Isotope]

Originally Posted by dash234

He's NOT open-minded, according to interviews on the net. He has made it perfectly clear that he is NOT interested in MEN..

I don't see these arguments.

First of all, I (for example) can say I'm pretty sure I'm straight, but until I've lived all my life this cannot be proven. That's being open-minded.

Secondly, I can say I prefer not to label myself so would appreciate if others don't do so - that's requesting tolerance.

Or I can say that I on't think anyone should be labelled. That's being as intolerant as anyone who insists on labelling me.

As far as I know Benedict (as much as he's my least favourite housemate) *was* only saying he was open-minded to what might happen in the future and that he personally preferred not to be labelled (which Conor was trying to insist on doing).

Somehow when that point of view comes out of his mouth, though, it sounds insincere and patronising. But this is why i don't like Benedict! That might just be the way things come across, who knows.

[Alrightmate]

Originally Posted by Paace

His point is people love to label other people re sexuality.

Some people whose children are obese even get labeled as child abusers.

So it's very good of him to highlight this point about labeling other people.

[Alrightmate]

Originally Posted by jj2

Conor couldn't take all the Ben bs about no labels seriously ,did you see the look Conor gave to the camera at the end

It felt as though Benedict was trying to make Conor look bad for asking a perfectly innocent question.

I think Conor could actually be very shrewd and playing a better game than most of them.
In that conversation I couldn't help thinking that maybe Conor was playing with him a bit and testing Benedict and his principles in a non-aggressive way.

I just wish Conor had said to him "I wasn't asking you about who you might fancy some time in the future mate. I'm asking you if you're a bisexual right now".

[Alrightmate]

Originally Posted by Devon

but that just made conor look ignorant imo

I think Conor initially just wanted to start friendly conversation.

[Menk]

Originally Posted by Aleksis

This is totally it. If the whole world suddenly stopped using labels and categories to describe themselves no one would have a clue who or what they were.



No one is saying sexuality is fixed and cannot change (I agree with you that it isn't fixed, despite people claiming scientific research to the contrary). People are saying Benedict is being a pretentious git for pulling the whole airy "I don't believe in labels" thing (and even claiming labels are a form of discrimination). Labels are of course not be the be all and end all of human identity and don't account for a lot of complexities, but they're necessary for communicating info about ourselves to others (and ourselves) in a way that's easily understood by everyone.

So what if "I'm mostly straight but could go bi" doesn't account for the deep and mysterious complexities of Benedict's sexuality? No one gives THAT much of a crap, they're probably just cursorily interested in where he stands on the sexuality spectrum.



No, you cannot "truly" put yourself in one category because categories cannot account for the depth of complexity of human psychology and blah di blah, but it's sort of necessary to put yourself in categories in social life in order to make certain things more clear and comprehensible for everyone, or else it gets really vague and confusing.



Or he correctly recognised it was pretentious rubbish that deliberately evaded clarity in favour of an airy "I transcend categories" thing.



LOL where the hell did this random accusation come from? I haven't seen anything about people wanting Benedict to be gay.



Oh golly, not the gutter. Benedict's divine mystical incomprehensible sexuality deserves better!!

You have said exactly what I think - and very well too!

[Alrightmate]

Originally Posted by ChipChomper

I think that might be the issue.
He's not as open minded as makes out its coming back to all that stuff hes left over the internet.Theres none of this dont label me talk there. he makes it clear its women only he likes that sounds like a straight guy.

This is it with Benedict. I don't really buy into this open minded objective human being portrayal he's putting across in there.
Because his online political manifesto suggests a very opinionated way of looking at people which is intolerant to some groups of people who he himself appears to 'label'.

[Mr Cynic]

Originally Posted by Caz42

Ach, they just need a rabbit

Rabbits are only good when cooked well done and with roast potatoes, and cabbage.

[Jon79]

Originally Posted by achro

Wait...is it really "not fixed"?

Since science shows homosexuality / bisexuality / straightness is already decided before you are born - how is it possible to suddenly change it?

In the example of a "straight" married person suddenly going for the same sex - I would assume they were never straight, and were bisexual all along.

Exactly. One does not simply choose to find the same sex attractive. He can hide that side of him if he wishes but i would never describe a person like that as straight. Confused maybe