[Mr Teacake]

Why did ITV agree to not show any semi finals and have no first pick for the quarters?

[wolvesdavid]

Originally Posted by crazychris12

Once before I remember one side breaking a similar agreement as England made the semis. Quite a few years ago now but it definitely happened.

Can't you just name the channel instead of saying in a mystery way "one side?" It was either BBC or ITV.

And we've only ever made the semi finals in major tournaments in 1966, 1968, 1990, 1996.

[wolvesdavid]

Originally Posted by Mr Teacake

Why did ITV agree to not show any semi finals and have no first pick for the quarters?

Because the BBC and ITV had a coin toss to decide first pick with picks alternating after that, for the matches in the tournament. BBC won the toss and had first pick.

So its suggested that the picks went like this:

1st pick BBC: 1st choice QF
2nd pick ITV: Ukraine v England
3rd pick BBC: England v Sweden
4th choice ITV: France v England

Hence why ITV have had 2 England group matches and the BBC only 1, even though BBC had first choice. BBC have gambled on England reaching the QFs whilst ITV wanted guaranteed advert money from showing 2 England games.

Then to continue:

5th pick BBC: 1st choice semi final

As this then guarantees England would be on the BBC for every match if England got out the group, there is not a lot ITV can do about it now anyway. Both channels share the final of course. ITV and BBC have then gone for the Ireland games.

6th choice ITV: Ireland v Italy
7th choice BBC: Ireland v Spain
8th choice ITV: Ireland v Croatia

Again this guarantees advert money from having 2 Ireland games on ITV from the group stage. As it is of course Ireland were already out and got shown on ITV4 with Spain v Croatia on ITV1 but of course ITV were not to know that would happen when they orignally selected the match.

To continue:

9th choice BBC: 2nd semi final

So you can see how it has worked. ITV have got QFs 2nd choice and 3rd choice and BBC 4th QF choice.

[JBO]

You've got your Italy and Spain the wrong way round there

[CM PRANK]

dont we have a habbit of loosing when on itv

[skiller]

Originally Posted by skiller

I was just wondering why ITV's coverage has actually been very good, but then I remembered they lost half of the match due to the thunderstorm. Typical ITV, you just can't trust them at all.

And ITV again have ruined my recording of England v Ukraine. Ten minutes of it was black screen.

[Doc Shmok]

Will Lineker look sourfaced if England makes it to the final and all his Crisp deals are off?

He must be fearing that day for decades.

[stej86]

I can confirm Gary Lineker, Alan Hansen and the team will all be flying out to Kiev, Ukraine this weekend. Every England game left in this tournament will be presented live from the stadiums with Gary, Alan and co on BBC1

Coverage of both semi finals and the final was also be live onsite from Poland/Ukraine with Gary Lineker and guests.

Regards

[skiller]

Originally Posted by stej86

I can confirm Gary Lineker, Alan Hansen and the team will all be flying out to Kiev, Ukraine this weekend. Every England game left in this tournament will be presented live from the stadiums with Gary, Alan and co on BBC1

Coverage of both semi finals and the final was also be live onsite from Poland/Ukraine with Gary Lineker and guests.

Regards

I thought the BBC had said that before the tournament even started?

[Wallasey Saint]

Originally Posted by Principle

The Germany v England Euro 96 semi final was apparently shown live on both BBC and ITV.

Evidence in this link, look at the "SOCCER AUDIENCES SINCE 1981" section.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/entertainment/3839067.stm

Here is a link to the BBC opening of the semi final broadcast:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tkkqSl-rfh4

I have absolutely no idea if any agreement was broken.

Italia 90 England v West Germany semi was shown live on both BBC & ITV, it's annoying when England are shown live simultaneously on BBC & ITV as we end up losing on Pens.

In the Broadcast section an FM there mentioned BBC have exclusive live coverage of both semi finals, ITV just the highlightss

[Bosox]

Originally Posted by Principle

The Germany v England Euro 96 semi final was apparently shown live on both BBC and ITV.

I have absolutely no idea if any agreement was broken.

I'm pretty sure the pre tournament deal for Euro 96 allowed for both channels to show the England semi final if they reached that round. If England hadn't reached the semi then they would have shown one each. There's no way the agreement was just unilaterally broken by one side because they would never have been able to come to such deals ever again. The fact that the deals are still done each tournament suggests that neither side is in the habit of breaking them.

ITV probably decided not to go for the same semi final sharing deal again because they always get trounced in the head to head games. They are better off, ratings and therefore advertising wise, having a 'lesser' game on an exclusive basis than sharing a huge England game with the BBC.

[Robbedin73]

Could be wrong about this but i think up to the 81 wedding between Charles and Di the most watched event was the Chelsea/leeds reply at old trafford in 1970 which was viwed by 27 million , inot thats its a game i want to remember) but i can only assume its because at the time it was first cup final to be replayed , so i guess this record still stands

[stej86]

Originally Posted by Robbedin73

Could be wrong about this but i think up to the 81 wedding between Charles and Di the most watched event was the Chelsea/leeds reply at old trafford in 1970 which was viwed by 27 million , inot thats its a game i want to remember) but i can only assume its because at the time it was first cup final to be replayed , so i guess this record still stands

Nope that record is held by England v West Germany World Cup Final in 1966 which had a audience of 32.30 million This still remains as the most watched program in history in the UK.

The cup final replay you refer to was the 4th most watched program before 1981, and is currently the 5th most watched overall.

See this link for the current top 10

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of...special_events

[Robbedin73]

Originally Posted by stej86

Nope that record is held by England v West Germany World Cup Final in 1966 which had a audience of 32.30 million This still remains as the most watched program in history in the UK.

The cup final replay you refer to was the 4th most watched program before 1981, and is currently the 5th most watched overall.

See this link for the current top 10

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of...special_events

Saw all apart from 3, 8,/9

[celesti]

Was there something particularly special about the '94 Winter Olympics that I don't remember? Otherwise that's an odd entrant on the list.

[skimminstones]

Originally Posted by celesti

Was there something particularly special about the '94 Winter Olympics that I don't remember? Otherwise that's an odd entrant on the list.

was that the year torvil and dean made a come back?

[stej86]

Originally Posted by celesti

Was there something particularly special about the '94 Winter Olympics that I don't remember? Otherwise that's an odd entrant on the list.

Yeh your right, that was Jayne Torvill and Christopher Dean in the final free dance on their Olympic comeback in 1994. This was 10 years after their Olympic victory in Sarajevo. They ended up with the bronze medal in 1994.

Torvill and Dean were the flavour of the time and had huge publicity so hope that explains it

[stej86]

Originally Posted by Robbedin73

Saw all apart from 3, 8,/9

Thats pretty impressive

[celesti]

Originally Posted by skimminstones

was that the year torvil and dean made a come back?

Ah, that's got to be it. 20m+ for ice dancing, who'd have thought.

[stej86]

If you include soap opera and dramas in the list as well this is the top 20 of all time british tv programs

THE TOP 20 RATED TV SHOWS

1 1966 World Cup Final 1966 BBC/ITV 32.30m

2 Funeral of Princess Diana 1997 BBC1/ITV 32.10m

3 Royal Family documentary 1969 BBC1/ITV 30.69m

4 EastEnders: Den divorces Angie 1986 BBC1 30.15m

5 Apollo 13 splashdown 1970 BBC1/ITV 28.6m

6 FA Cup Replay: Chelsea v Leeds 1970 BBC1/ITV 28.49m

7 Royal Wedding: Charles and Diana 1981 BBC/ITV 28.40m

8 Princess Anne's wedding 1973 BBC1 27.60m

9 Coronation Street: Alan Bradley killed by tram 1989 ITV 26.93m

10 Only Fools And Horses: Batman and Robin 1996 BBC1 24.35m

11 EastEnders: Pat Butcher runs down little girl
1992 BBC1 24.30m

12 Royal Variety Performance: Shirley Bassey, Peter Cook and Dudley Moore 1965 ITV 24.20m

13 JFK assassination news 1963 BBC/ITV 24.15m

14= Winter Olympics: Torvill and Dean 1994 BBC1 23.95m

14= To The Manor Born: Penelope Keith holds hands with Peter Bowles 1979 BBC1 23.95m

16 World Cup: England v Argentina 1998 ITV 23.78m

17= Miss World: Miss Grenada, Jennifer Hoste 1970 BBC1 23.76m

17= Miss World: Miss Peru, Madeline Hartog Bel Houghton 1967 BBC1 23.76m

19 Royal Variety Performance: Michael Crawford 1975 BBC1 22.66m

20 Apollo 8 and 11 splashdowns 1968 BBC/ITV 22.54m

Source: BFI/C4

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz...#ixzz1yMs9LJKb

I can see why Miss World was so popular

[celesti]

I thought Challenger exploding might have been up there, I remember watching that in school. Might have been a recording rather than live, mind you.

[stej86]

Originally Posted by celesti

I thought Challenger exploding might have been up there, I remember watching that in school. Might have been a recording rather than live, mind you.

Yeh if you had a list for events seen by the most people on the day they happened think Challenger and September 11th would be near the top.

In both cases because they were unexpected it would have been through recordings rather than live

[Robbedin73]

Originally Posted by stej86

If you include soap opera and dramas in the list as well this is the top 20 of all time british tv programs

THE TOP 20 RATED TV SHOWS

1 1966 World Cup Final 1966 BBC/ITV 32.30m

2 Funeral of Princess Diana 1997 BBC1/ITV 32.10m

3 Royal Family documentary 1969 BBC1/ITV 30.69m

4 EastEnders: Den divorces Angie 1986 BBC1 30.15m

5 Apollo 13 splashdown 1970 BBC1/ITV 28.6m

6 FA Cup Replay: Chelsea v Leeds 1970 BBC1/ITV 28.49m

7 Royal Wedding: Charles and Diana 1981 BBC/ITV 28.40m

8 Princess Anne's wedding 1973 BBC1 27.60m

9 Coronation Street: Alan Bradley killed by tram 1989 ITV 26.93m

10 Only Fools And Horses: Batman and Robin 1996 BBC1 24.35m

11 EastEnders: Pat Butcher runs down little girl
1992 BBC1 24.30m

12 Royal Variety Performance: Shirley Bassey, Peter Cook and Dudley Moore 1965 ITV 24.20m

13 JFK assassination news 1963 BBC/ITV 24.15m

14= Winter Olympics: Torvill and Dean 1994 BBC1 23.95m

14= To The Manor Born: Penelope Keith holds hands with Peter Bowles 1979 BBC1 23.95m

16 World Cup: England v Argentina 1998 ITV 23.78m

17= Miss World: Miss Grenada, Jennifer Hoste 1970 BBC1 23.76m

17= Miss World: Miss Peru, Madeline Hartog Bel Houghton 1967 BBC1 23.76m

19 Royal Variety Performance: Michael Crawford 1975 BBC1 22.66m

20 Apollo 8 and 11 splashdowns 1968 BBC/ITV 22.54m

Source: BFI/C4

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz...#ixzz1yMs9LJKb

I can see why Miss World was so popular

Cheers for that 86, was trying to work out on the wicca, site excatly what the OFAH, epsoides were , as for the Who shot Jr yeah remember that very well , iremember when it(who shot him ) epsoide arrived at Heathrow it was taking to Bbc tv centre by armed guard in case the priates got it (video priates that is)

[BomoLad]

BBC travelling will hopefully liven up their coverage. It is a bit drab and dire at the moment.