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Old 16-01-2013, 07:16
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Hello again folks

Well my 14 day guide has now updated and both GOLD and Picture Box are listed as having new downloads upto Jan 30th so far.

Sorry if everyone saw this as a good omen that GOLD was going free to air, it still might down the line but I don't think that will be for some time.

Once again sorry folks and thanks for all your input.
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Old 16-01-2013, 09:00
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Sorry if everyone saw this as a good omen that GOLD was going free to air
Only the noobs.

Anyone who has been around this forum for more than a day already knows the score.
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Old 16-01-2013, 20:57
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Can someone list exactly what TV Favourites subscribers are actually getting at the minute. It strikes me that they are paying £13.99 for close to nothing.
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Old 17-01-2013, 07:23
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At the present we get:-

US Drama (Monday-Saturday two programmes per day)
GOLD (11am-2pm Monday to Thursday, 12noon-2pm Friday with three-four programmes downloaded)
Home (11am-12noon Friday access to whatever is on)
C&I Channel (Monday-Friday one programme per day)
History Channel (Monday-Thursday one-two programmes depending on length)
Natioanl Geographic (Monday-Saturday one programmes per day)
Picture Box (All week one film per day)

We then have a freeview picking service that gives us about six kids shows per day over two providers, a pick of the week from the TV programmes (drama, comedy, factual (can be handy if you miss some things)), pick of the week films (normally one film per day or every other day).

We have lost since autumn 2011 the following:-
BBC Drama, Comedy & Factual (One-two programmes each per day)
CBS Drama, Comedy (One-two programmes each per day)
Warner Drama, Comedy (One-two programmes each per day)
TV Box (One-two programmes each per day)
Nickelodeon, Cartoon Network, Boomerang & Disney (Between two-three shows per service per day).
GOLD reducing broadcasting from five hours (6pm-11pm every day) to a few hours five days a week.

Hence my previous post that if we had been the choice to increase paying I think many would have not minded relative to the volume and selection of shows available. If there could have been a confirmation that the service would have been maintained for about three years at this level, IMO.
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Old 17-01-2013, 07:30
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At the present we get:-

US Drama (Monday-Saturday two programmes per day)
GOLD (11am-2pm Monday to Thursday, 12noon-2pm Friday with three-four programmes downloaded)
Home (11am-12noon Friday access to whatever is on)
C&I Channel (Monday-Friday one programme per day)
History Channel (Monday-Thursday one-two programmes depending on length)
Natioanl Geographic (Monday-Saturday one programmes per day)
Picture Box (All week one film per day)

We then have a freeview picking service that gives us about six kids shows per day over two providers, a pick of the week from the TV programmes (drama, comedy, factual (can be handy if you miss some things)), pick of the week films (normally one film per day or every other day).

We have lost since autumn 2011 the following:-
BBC Drama, Comedy & Factual (One-two programmes each per day)
CBS Drama, Comedy (One-two programmes each per day)
Warner Drama, Comedy (One-two programmes each per day)
TV Box (One-two programmes each per day)
Nickelodeon, Cartoon Network, Boomerang & Disney (Between two-three shows per service per day).
GOLD reducing broadcasting from five hours (6pm-11pm every day) to a few hours five days a week.

Hence my previous post that if we had been the choice to increase paying I think many would have not minded relative to the volume and selection of shows available. If there could have been a confirmation that the service would have been maintained for about three years at this level, IMO.
So despite losing all those services over the last few years, the price has risen from £9.99 to £13.99? That is just insane. I am not trolling here, I wanted topuptv to succeed and I use one of their PVRs as a freeview PVR, but I cannot believe anyone would allow themselves to be ripped off in this way.

A lovefilm DVD by post subscription would cost half this and you could have the very latest box sets sent to your house. If you can get BT vision then £12.50 will get you tonnes of stuff plus ESPN.

Topuptv must surely fold soon. They should never have sold off their DTT streams. The linear channel service they had back in 2005-2006 was a brilliant idea and could have got a few million subscribers by now.
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Old 17-01-2013, 09:42
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So despite losing all those services over the last few years, the price has risen from £9.99 to £13.99? That is just insane. I am not trolling here, I wanted topuptv to succeed and I use one of their PVRs as a freeview PVR, but I cannot believe anyone would allow themselves to be ripped off in this way.

A lovefilm DVD by post subscription would cost half this and you could have the very latest box sets sent to your house. If you can get BT vision then £12.50 will get you tonnes of stuff plus ESPN.

Topuptv must surely fold soon. They should never have sold off their DTT streams. The linear channel service they had back in 2005-2006 was a brilliant idea and could have got a few million subscribers by now.
Which is exactly why, as soon as BT Infinity was available in our local area, we cancelled TUTV and moved to BT Vision+.
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Old 17-01-2013, 16:56
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I think the only reason TV Favourites / Picture Box is still about is to annoy Sky. Sky had stated they didn't want companies to simply re-sell Sky Sports alone. So they have kept it on as a Zombie service.
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Old 17-01-2013, 18:29
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I think the only reason TV Favourites / Picture Box is still about is to annoy Sky. Sky had stated they didn't want companies to simply re-sell Sky Sports alone. So they have kept it on as a Zombie service.
But even without TV Favourites and Picturebox, TUTV are selling Sky Sports and ESPN so surely that would be OK.
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Old 17-01-2013, 23:17
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But even without TV Favourites and Picturebox, TUTV are selling Sky Sports and ESPN so surely that would be OK.
TUTV are sticking within the letter of what Sky wanted but not the spirit. Since you can no longer buy new equipment to watch TV Favourites or Picture Box. This pretty much leaves them with ESPN. Whilst Ofcom rejected Sky's criticism of reselling we will have to wait and see what happens if TUTV were to drop any of the other stuff.

A BSkyB spokesman said: "This confusion is a consequence of Ofcom's muddled interpretation of its own ruling. Our contract with TUTV was consistent with our understanding of Ofcom's original view that the obligation to supply should not apply when a distributor was simply looking to resell Sky Sports 1 and 2 on devices which wouldn't offer a broader range of services.

"Such simple reselling would do nothing to support Ofcom's claimed objective of promoting innovation. We do not agree with Ofcom's decision and we intend to exercise our right of appeal."

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Old 18-01-2013, 19:51
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from BT "From 22nd February 2013 ESPN, Sky Sports 1 and Sky Sports 2 will only be sold to BT Vision customers who already have, or take a BT Infinity package. Use our checker to find out if you are eligible." This could affect TUTV
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Old 18-01-2013, 20:09
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Only when BT remove SkySports 1&2 from DTT.
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Old 18-01-2013, 20:21
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Only when BT remove SkySports 1&2 from DTT.
Alternatively,TopUpTV could take over the channels from BT, though I think it is more likely that BT will acquire TopUp.
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Old 18-01-2013, 21:25
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Setanta gave way to ESPN in June 2009 and BT launched its two channels in July 2010. So any DTT switch off would most likely occur in the summer.
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Old 18-01-2013, 21:37
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Alternatively,TopUpTV could take over the channels from BT, though I think it is more likely that BT will acquire TopUp.
What is there to acquire?
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Old 18-01-2013, 23:05
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Are BT trying to loose customers or piss them off? Seems odd. Its not like BT Infinity is that widely available! That leaves me wondering what they are up to. Could they be stopping the streams on DTT and moving it over IPTV?

freetoview33 can you provide a link?
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Old 18-01-2013, 23:12
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Sky Sports and ESPN will be delivered as IPTV channels along with the new additional channels so eventually BT won't need the DTT space.
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Old 18-01-2013, 23:17
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Old 18-01-2013, 23:33
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It dose look like they are removing the Sky Sports Streams and ESPN will go too. Ive had a look on the BT Vision forum and it appears BT will only offer subscription Linear channels on BT Infinity!

If that is the case and the DTT streams go then its goodbye TUTV. That would make sense the way they have run it down so I expect they know its on the cards.


Hello guys,

As well as receiving 18 pay TV channels, customers with an Extra TV channel pack will also have access to 4 HD PSB channels. All of these channels are delivered through a customerís Infinity broadband line and require new software and compatible hardware. For these reasons the pay TV and PSB HD channels are provided together. The 4 HD PSB channels are automatically added to a customerís order at no extra cost when a customerís takes an Extra TV channels pack.

If customers want HD PSB channels without taking an Extra TV channel pack they can take the BT Vision Essential pack on YouView.

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Old 19-01-2013, 12:01
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What is there to acquire?
There might indeed be a residual value to the company because the list of current and former subscribers might be useful to the likes of BT Vision or TalkTalk so that they could then market their own services to ex-TUTV subscribers. However, the company might have to go into administration first to wipe out any large debts before it would be picked up by another company.
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Old 19-01-2013, 13:19
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Are BT trying to loose customers or piss them off? Seems odd. Its not like BT Infinity is that widely available! That leaves me wondering what they are up to. Could they be stopping the streams on DTT and moving it over IPTV?

freetoview33 can you provide a link?
http://www.btvision.bt.com/prices/

"From 22nd February 2013 ESPN, Sky Sports 1 and Sky Sports 2 will only be sold to BT Vision customers who already have, or take a BT Infinity package"

also

"** From 14 September 2012 ESPN, Sky Sports 1 and Sky Sports 2 add-ons will only be sold to Vision customers who are within a BT Infinity broadband enabled area. Go to www.bt.com/tellme to check if you are eligible."

so it seems it could be going to IPTV soon!
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Old 19-01-2013, 15:16
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For those who take the new channels Sky Sports 1, 2 and ESPN are delivered IPTV.
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Old 19-01-2013, 15:30
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There might indeed be a residual value to the company because the list of current and former subscribers might be useful to the likes of BT Vision or TalkTalk so that they could then market their own services to ex-TUTV subscribers. However, the company might have to go into administration first to wipe out any large debts before it would be picked up by another company.
I don't think there are any large debts, it's always been a low-cost operation.
Amongst its assets, TopUp TV also owns DTT channel 34; I'm not sure how valuable DTT channels are now given growing DTT capacity and IPTV.
By purchasing the company, BT could also prevent another company taking TopUp over and launching a refreshed service. Vodafone and O2 operate pay-tv services in many countries outside the UK, for example and could use TopUp TV as a starting point.
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Old 19-01-2013, 18:50
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Wonder when TUTV will announce they are going to pull Sky Sports and ESPN? Its only 5 weeks away. I suppose they would have to give 30 days notice if they want to be remotely like the thing. Or leave you with a blank screen and announce how to contact the Administrator
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Old 19-01-2013, 19:03
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I don't think there are any large debts, it's always been a low-cost operation.
Amongst its assets, TopUp TV also owns DTT channel 34; I'm not sure how valuable DTT channels are now given growing DTT capacity and IPTV.
By purchasing the company, BT could also prevent another company taking TopUp over and launching a refreshed service. Vodafone and O2 operate pay-tv services in many countries outside the UK, for example and could use TopUp TV as a starting point.
One DTT channel is supposed to cost about £10m each per year if rented from Arqiva. TUTV simply wont pick up approx £30 Million if they want Sky Sports 1, 2 and ESPN to continue. I suppose they could axe TV Favourites and Picture Box and use it for Sky Sports 1 only. But I feel the sum don't add up for TUTV. They have an estimated 250,000 to 500,000 customers. Up to date info is hard to come by.
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Old 19-01-2013, 19:05
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I am a bit what have btvision got to do with Topuptv?
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