It seems that this years BBUS is going to be another All Stars edition. Who do you want to see return to the Big Brother house? I say anyone but Jeff, Jordon, Rachele or Brendon
BBUS 14 is All Stars 2
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There's not really any reason to believe it will be Allstars, but as long as Jen, Keesha and Britney are back, I'm happy no matter who the others are! 
Originally Posted by Kyle123:
“There's not really any reason to believe it will be Allstars, but as long as Jen, Keesha and Britney are back, I'm happy no matter who the others are!”
“There's not really any reason to believe it will be Allstars, but as long as Jen, Keesha and Britney are back, I'm happy no matter who the others are!
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I'm with you on those choices. It's always good to see how housemates from past seasons interact but after the initial interaction it gets boring cus we all know they play the game for entertainment which is why I didn't like AS1
I don't want an Allstars.
Grodner will never allow an Allstar series to play out straight. It will all be manipulated towards getting her pets the furthest, and those won't be HM's like Jen, Keesha, or Britney if they even make the show.
Grodner will never allow an Allstar series to play out straight. It will all be manipulated towards getting her pets the furthest, and those won't be HM's like Jen, Keesha, or Britney if they even make the show.
Originally Posted by Yobaba**:
“I don't want an Allstars. Grodner will never allow an Allstar series to play out straight. It will all be manipulated towards getting her pets the furthest, and those won't be HM's like Jen, Keesha, or Britney if they even make the show.”
“I don't want an Allstars.
Grodner will never allow an Allstar series to play out straight. It will all be manipulated towards getting her pets the furthest, and those won't be HM's like Jen, Keesha, or Britney if they even make the show.”
Agreed. The sooner Grodner goes the better. I give her some credit because in her reign the show has become a more secure part of CBS's Summer schedule and seems to get bigger by the year, but she completely messes the game up every season.
I'm not afraid to admit that her meddling has given me some favourable results over the years, but virtually none of the people who have won the game since BB8 would have won had that game been in the Shapiro era.
Originally Posted by Kyle123:
“Agreed. The sooner Grodner goes the better. I give her some credit because in her reign the show has become a more secure part of CBS's Summer schedule and seems to get bigger by the year, but she completely messes the game up every season.
I'm not afraid to admit that her meddling has given me some favourable results over the years, but virtually none of the people who have won the game since BB8 would have won had that game been in the Shapiro era.”
“Agreed. The sooner Grodner goes the better. I give her some credit because in her reign the show has become a more secure part of CBS's Summer schedule and seems to get bigger by the year, but she completely messes the game up every season.
I'm not afraid to admit that her meddling has given me some favourable results over the years, but virtually none of the people who have won the game since BB8 would have won had that game been in the Shapiro era.”
I'm curious, which moves are considered the biggest meddling by producers? I don't really tend to spot them apart from last series by forcing Porsche to open Pandora's Box when she really didn't want to.
If Jeff and/or Jordan are back again I'm not watching!
Can't stomach another season ruined by Grodders rigging to try and keep JJ and their allies in the house as long as possible.
Can't stomach another season ruined by Grodders rigging to try and keep JJ and their allies in the house as long as possible.
Originally Posted by Alicey:
“If Jeff and/or Jordan are back again I'm not watching!
Can't stomach another season ruined by Grodders rigging to try and keep JJ and their allies in the house as long as possible.”
“If Jeff and/or Jordan are back again I'm not watching!
Can't stomach another season ruined by Grodders rigging to try and keep JJ and their allies in the house as long as possible.”
I liked having them back in the house last year but once Jeff left it was obvious something would happen to keep Jordan and Rachel there. That's what pissed me off
Is it really all stars...
Tbh they should put the whole cast of bb10 in again and see how things pan out this time
Tbh they should put the whole cast of bb10 in again and see how things pan out this time
Originally Posted by Ryan_InsideBB:
“I'm curious, which moves are considered the biggest meddling by producers? I don't really tend to spot them apart from last series by forcing Porsche to open Pandora's Box when she really didn't want to.”
“I'm curious, which moves are considered the biggest meddling by producers? I don't really tend to spot them apart from last series by forcing Porsche to open Pandora's Box when she really didn't want to.”
The example you mention is the most obvious: Porsche being forced to open Pandora's Box, resulting in a return of the duo's twist, coupled by a Veto competition that was almost tailor made for Rachel.
The other major one was the coup d'etat twist in BB11. As much as they pretended otherwise, that twist was custom designed to give Jeff and Jordan a leg-up in the game when it became clear that all of the unpopular players (Natalie, Lydia, Chima etc) were going to be at the end. Nobody else was ever going to win that vote other than Jeff, and even if by some miracle he did lose, it would only have been to Jordan.
They are probably the major two. The whole "America's Player" thing in BB8 made it much easier for the producers to get results they wanted, because whoever they gave the best edit too was always going to get the best out of the twist. There are other little interferences that seem to go the way of popular contestants. (Matt randomly being gifted the Diamond veto for no other reason than being HoH), but those are the main two.
Originally Posted by Gothic-Dude:
“Is it really all stars...
Tbh they should put the whole cast of bb10 in again and see how things pan out this time”
“Is it really all stars...
Tbh they should put the whole cast of bb10 in again and see how things pan out this time”
It's a rumour, but it's always an "it's an AS season" rumour every year. There's absolutely nothing out there to suggest that it will be an Allstar season at the moment.
The only official word is that BB is going to be bigger this year, and there are four surprises. (Which I guess could be four returning players)
Originally Posted by Kyle123:
“The example you mention is the most obvious: Porsche being forced to open Pandora's Box, resulting in a return of the duo's twist, coupled by a Veto competition that was almost tailor made for Rachel.
The other major one was the coup d'etat twist in BB11. As much as they pretended otherwise, that twist was custom designed to give Jeff and Jordan a leg-up in the game when it became clear that all of the unpopular players (Natalie, Lydia, Chima etc) were going to be at the end. Nobody else was ever going to win that vote other than Jeff, and even if by some miracle he did lose, it would only have been to Jordan.
They are probably the major two. The whole "America's Player" thing in BB8 made it much easier for the producers to get results they wanted, because whoever they gave the best edit too was always going to get the best out of the twist. There are other little interferences that seem to go the way of popular contestants. (Matt randomly being gifted the Diamond veto for no other reason than being HoH), but those are the main two.”
“The example you mention is the most obvious: Porsche being forced to open Pandora's Box, resulting in a return of the duo's twist, coupled by a Veto competition that was almost tailor made for Rachel.
The other major one was the coup d'etat twist in BB11. As much as they pretended otherwise, that twist was custom designed to give Jeff and Jordan a leg-up in the game when it became clear that all of the unpopular players (Natalie, Lydia, Chima etc) were going to be at the end. Nobody else was ever going to win that vote other than Jeff, and even if by some miracle he did lose, it would only have been to Jordan.
They are probably the major two. The whole "America's Player" thing in BB8 made it much easier for the producers to get results they wanted, because whoever they gave the best edit too was always going to get the best out of the twist. There are other little interferences that seem to go the way of popular contestants. (Matt randomly being gifted the Diamond veto for no other reason than being HoH), but those are the main two.”
Thanks, didn't notice any of this but I was naive until last season when the meddling came to light. Shocked that Matt was a producer fav!
Originally Posted by Kyle123:
“The example you mention is the most obvious: Porsche being forced to open Pandora's Box, resulting in a return of the duo's twist, coupled by a Veto competition that was almost tailor made for Rachel.
The other major one was the coup d'etat twist in BB11. As much as they pretended otherwise, that twist was custom designed to give Jeff and Jordan a leg-up in the game when it became clear that all of the unpopular players (Natalie, Lydia, Chima etc) were going to be at the end. Nobody else was ever going to win that vote other than Jeff, and even if by some miracle he did lose, it would only have been to Jordan.
They are probably the major two. The whole "America's Player" thing in BB8 made it much easier for the producers to get results they wanted, because whoever they gave the best edit too was always going to get the best out of the twist. There are other little interferences that seem to go the way of popular contestants. (Matt randomly being gifted the Diamond veto for no other reason than being HoH), but those are the main two.”
“The example you mention is the most obvious: Porsche being forced to open Pandora's Box, resulting in a return of the duo's twist, coupled by a Veto competition that was almost tailor made for Rachel.
The other major one was the coup d'etat twist in BB11. As much as they pretended otherwise, that twist was custom designed to give Jeff and Jordan a leg-up in the game when it became clear that all of the unpopular players (Natalie, Lydia, Chima etc) were going to be at the end. Nobody else was ever going to win that vote other than Jeff, and even if by some miracle he did lose, it would only have been to Jordan.
They are probably the major two. The whole "America's Player" thing in BB8 made it much easier for the producers to get results they wanted, because whoever they gave the best edit too was always going to get the best out of the twist. There are other little interferences that seem to go the way of popular contestants. (Matt randomly being gifted the Diamond veto for no other reason than being HoH), but those are the main two.”
Also suspect they tailor those competitions to who they want to win each week. For example that week where Dani won HoH seemed custom-made for her, the series couldn't afford to lose her at that point, whereas later in the season they'd turned on her group and stacked competitions geared towards a more physical male (Jeff, basically). Though he screwed up on the last one and got himself evicted.
...That may be paranoia on my part somewhat but I don't trust Grodner with those competitions. In that soap suds task basically nobody but Jeff had a chance.
Originally Posted by Kyle123:
“It's a rumour, but it's always an "it's an AS season" rumour every year. There's absolutely nothing out there to suggest that it will be an Allstar season at the moment.
The only official word is that BB is going to be bigger this year, and there are four surprises. (Which I guess could be four returning players)”
“It's a rumour, but it's always an "it's an AS season" rumour every year. There's absolutely nothing out there to suggest that it will be an Allstar season at the moment.
The only official word is that BB is going to be bigger this year, and there are four surprises. (Which I guess could be four returning players)”
It seems to me like there's more heat than usual among former house guests about it being an All Stars.
A couple sites have had blind items hinting as much, and I've heard some of it for myself.
Of course, given how nefarious casting was last year (with the fake tweets), I wouldn't put it past them to deliberately mess with former house guests to throw people off the scents. Nothing's guaranteed until the premiere.
Originally Posted by Kyle123:
“The example you mention is the most obvious: Porsche being forced to open Pandora's Box, resulting in a return of the duo's twist, coupled by a Veto competition that was almost tailor made for Rachel.
The other major one was the coup d'etat twist in BB11. As much as they pretended otherwise, that twist was custom designed to give Jeff and Jordan a leg-up in the game when it became clear that all of the unpopular players (Natalie, Lydia, Chima etc) were going to be at the end. Nobody else was ever going to win that vote other than Jeff, and even if by some miracle he did lose, it would only have been to Jordan.
They are probably the major two. The whole "America's Player" thing in BB8 made it much easier for the producers to get results they wanted, because whoever they gave the best edit too was always going to get the best out of the twist. There are other little interferences that seem to go the way of popular contestants. (Matt randomly being gifted the Diamond veto for no other reason than being HoH), but those are the main two.”
“The example you mention is the most obvious: Porsche being forced to open Pandora's Box, resulting in a return of the duo's twist, coupled by a Veto competition that was almost tailor made for Rachel.
The other major one was the coup d'etat twist in BB11. As much as they pretended otherwise, that twist was custom designed to give Jeff and Jordan a leg-up in the game when it became clear that all of the unpopular players (Natalie, Lydia, Chima etc) were going to be at the end. Nobody else was ever going to win that vote other than Jeff, and even if by some miracle he did lose, it would only have been to Jordan.
They are probably the major two. The whole "America's Player" thing in BB8 made it much easier for the producers to get results they wanted, because whoever they gave the best edit too was always going to get the best out of the twist. There are other little interferences that seem to go the way of popular contestants. (Matt randomly being gifted the Diamond veto for no other reason than being HoH), but those are the main two.”
All of this couple with the rigorous Diary Room manipulation that goes on, which many former housemates have talked about, and which we've heard ourselves via Diary Room leaks. Lets just say Big Brother can be very...persuasive.
James from BB6/All Stars once said that if you ever go on Big Brother just do what the Diary Room tells you and it guarantees you'll make it kind of far because you'll be in their good books.
Originally Posted by Redmond:
“All of this couple with the rigorous Diary Room manipulation that goes on, which many former housemates have talked about, and which we've heard ourselves via Diary Room leaks. Lets just say Big Brother can be very...persuasive.
James from BB6/All Stars once said that if you ever go on Big Brother just do what the Diary Room tells you and it guarantees you'll make it kind of far because you'll be in their good books.”
“All of this couple with the rigorous Diary Room manipulation that goes on, which many former housemates have talked about, and which we've heard ourselves via Diary Room leaks. Lets just say Big Brother can be very...persuasive.
James from BB6/All Stars once said that if you ever go on Big Brother just do what the Diary Room tells you and it guarantees you'll make it kind of far because you'll be in their good books.”
Really? Kind of makes me go off the show if it is like that, but that can't be true, they would have never have had Maggie to win
I don't think Grodner was in charge of Maggie's season. The previous producer tended to let the game play out.
Although from what I remember the DR did try very hard to sway and influence "the Friendship", but Maggie was having none of it.
Although from what I remember the DR did try very hard to sway and influence "the Friendship", but Maggie was having none of it.
Originally Posted by Alicey:
“I don't think Grodner was in charge of Maggie's season. The previous producer tended to let the game play out.
Although from what I remember the DR did try very hard to sway and influence "the Friendship", but Maggie was having none of it.”
“I don't think Grodner was in charge of Maggie's season. The previous producer tended to let the game play out.
Although from what I remember the DR did try very hard to sway and influence "the Friendship", but Maggie was having none of it.”
BB8 was Grodner's first season. Shapiro was in charge from BB2-BBAllstars.
Grodner rose to the power position after Allstars. (She was heavily involved before, but wasn't the chief!) There's absolutely no way the Friendship would have been allowed to win that season under her. Some kind of twist would have been introduced to save Janey and Howie.
Originally Posted by Kyle123:
“Grodner rose to the power position after Allstars. (She was heavily involved before, but wasn't the chief!) There's absolutely no way the Friendship would have been allowed to win that season under her. Some kind of twist would have been introduced to save Janey and Howie.”
“Grodner rose to the power position after Allstars. (She was heavily involved before, but wasn't the chief!) There's absolutely no way the Friendship would have been allowed to win that season under her. Some kind of twist would have been introduced to save Janey and Howie.
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I really don't think anyone, not even Grodner, could have saved Howie from his own stupidity LOL. Also, if the game had somehow been manipulated to help Janelle, there was still no way she could have won, because The Friendship would have had to be evicted to the Jury and surely they would have voted for anyone but Janelle.
On the whole I don't mind some competitions being tailored for certain HG's. It gives the underdog at least a fighting chance (they've still got to go out and win the competition after all) of surviving one more week, when the numbers would otherwise be against them.
Originally Posted by mindset:
“I really don't think anyone, not even Grodner, could have saved Howie from his own stupidity LOL. Also, if the game had somehow been manipulated to help Janelle, there was still no way she could have won, because The Friendship would have had to be evicted to the Jury and surely they would have voted for anyone but Janelle.
On the whole I don't mind some competitions being tailored for certain HG's. It gives the underdog at least a fighting chance (they've still got to go out and win the competition after all) of surviving one more week, when the numbers would otherwise be against them.”
“I really don't think anyone, not even Grodner, could have saved Howie from his own stupidity LOL. Also, if the game had somehow been manipulated to help Janelle, there was still no way she could have won, because The Friendship would have had to be evicted to the Jury and surely they would have voted for anyone but Janelle.
On the whole I don't mind some competitions being tailored for certain HG's. It gives the underdog at least a fighting chance (they've still got to go out and win the competition after all) of surviving one more week, when the numbers would otherwise be against them.”
This is true.
I still think she'd have done something to try to help them out though. Diamond power of change a juror perhaps? I'm not overly bothered about competitions suiting players either, as a long as it seems consistant to past seasons. I only really get a problem when the challenges seem to be thrown together at the last minute. Last year, I hand on heart believe that they changed the order of competitions to save Rachel and Jordan. (The veto that saved them both was an endurance competition, then the following HoH that Rachel won was virtually identical to similar veto competitions from the past) They blatently changed the order of those challenges to help out the girls.
I don't really care if a competition happens to benefit a certain player. Last year for example, we all knew Daniele was going to win the ski endurance HoH, but that didn't really bother me so much, because it was consistent with past years, where the first endurance was often around that time in the game and had been similar. (The clinging on the building challenge in BB10 was similarly designed to suit females!)
Also, it's nice to see all the old gang are still here posting for the upcoming new series, and lots of new names too!
If we are going with All Stars 2, my ideal lineup would be:
Eric BB8 - Deserves another shot on his own but how cool would it be to make him be AP again!
Jessica BB8 - I had a soft spot for how she played the game
Jen BB8 - Great entertainment but seems normal outside the house
Daniele BB8/13 - One of my fav players of all time
Sharon BB9 - Another soft spot houseguest
Amanda BB9 - A trainwreck who needs to go back in but prob wouldn't cus of her child
Dan BB10 - Former winner has to go in
Keesha BB10 - Loved her in BB10
Kevin BB11 - One of the few saviours of BB11 and a nice guy
Annie BB12 - Was screwed by the saboteur twist and had real potential
Britney BB12 - Really entertaining and played the game well
Ragan BB12 - A smart player who provides lots of comedy/arguments
Kalia BB13 - My favourite newbie last season needs to come back
Shelly BB13 - Made one of the biggest moves in the game so deserves to come back
Porsche BB13 - Really good at competitions once she woke up half way through the season
For some reason it seems I like the female houseguests a lot more!
Eric BB8 - Deserves another shot on his own but how cool would it be to make him be AP again!
Jessica BB8 - I had a soft spot for how she played the game
Jen BB8 - Great entertainment but seems normal outside the house
Daniele BB8/13 - One of my fav players of all time
Sharon BB9 - Another soft spot houseguest
Amanda BB9 - A trainwreck who needs to go back in but prob wouldn't cus of her child
Dan BB10 - Former winner has to go in
Keesha BB10 - Loved her in BB10
Kevin BB11 - One of the few saviours of BB11 and a nice guy
Annie BB12 - Was screwed by the saboteur twist and had real potential
Britney BB12 - Really entertaining and played the game well
Ragan BB12 - A smart player who provides lots of comedy/arguments
Kalia BB13 - My favourite newbie last season needs to come back
Shelly BB13 - Made one of the biggest moves in the game so deserves to come back
Porsche BB13 - Really good at competitions once she woke up half way through the season
For some reason it seems I like the female houseguests a lot more!
Third time lucky for Jessie. Lololol. But yeah if it had to be an all-star, my favourite hgs have to return, but wierdly they are all blonde girls. Danielle, Sharon, Keesha, Britney and Porshe!!!
As much as Grodner rigs things it can never be 100% full proof. There is always someone that could mess things up for them and things beyond their control.
In other news I really don't think this season will be All Stars 2. Although I wouldn't rule out ex-housemates been involved in some shape or form.
In other news I really don't think this season will be All Stars 2. Although I wouldn't rule out ex-housemates been involved in some shape or form.
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