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in my experience about 90 percent of all road users are selfish incompetents who regularly break the highway code and put other peoples lives or limbs at danger

course all road users consider themselves part of the 10%

[tghe-retford]

Originally Posted by cjsmummy

However, not many motorists run folk over on pavements.

I did see a cyclist get knocked off their bike riding on the pavement as a car reversed from a driveway. And I have also seen a car drive on the pavement, to the extent that I had to jump on a wall to get out of its way.

[SimonSmith42]

Originally Posted by tghe-retford

Will that be extended to all road users, including pedestrians who cross the road and are classed as road users under the law? Otherwise, cyclists will deem the rules to be unfair and a war on cyclists.

There are loads of pedestrians who should be fitted with indicators & brake lights, IMO

[cjsmummy]

Originally Posted by AnnaliseZ

The beginning of the second third and fourth sentences is pretty accurate.

I actually don't have the city experience of cyclists as I live in the sticks. So a couple of selfish twunts on bikes can really hold you back on the roads around here.

[Wayne Dibbly]

Originally Posted by Mark.

Not just London ones.

I wear a camera to capture my side of the story in case I'm involved in an accident. But it's also proved useful in helping local bus companies train their drivers to respect road markings designed to make cycling safer.

I bet you wear Lycra as well.

[AnnaliseZ]

Originally Posted by tghe-retford

Will that be extended to all road users, including pedestrians who cross the road and are classed as road users under the law? Otherwise, cyclists will deem the rules to be unfair and a war on cyclists.

Well yeah if they did that would certainly live up to their reputation for being aggressive and bonkers

[Zero gravitas]

Originally Posted by Mark.

Not just London ones.

I wear a camera to capture my side of the story in case I'm involved in an accident. But it's also proved useful in helping local bus companies train their drivers to respect road markings designed to make cycling safer.

That sounds almost vigilante like.
I'm sure there must be a more thoughtful way of informing the company, instead of sending them video which has the possibility of losing a driver his job.

[cjsmummy]

Originally Posted by SimonSmith42

There are loads of pedestrians who should be fitted with indicators & brake lights, IMO

I'm a polite and courteous pedestrian. I observe traffic. If someone allows me to cross with the pram, I acknowledge them. I watch for people indicating, if they don't and then abruptly turn, I get pissed off. But I shouldn't feel utter panic when some moron on a bike comes hurtling towards my wee boy on a pavement at high speed.

[Mark.]

Originally Posted by Wayne Dibbly

I bet you wear Lycra as well.

You've just lost your bet.

Originally Posted by Zero gravitas

That sounds almost vigilante like.

No, if I were acting like a vigilante, I'd take action without involving the bus companies.

I'm sure there must be a more thoughtful way of informing the company, instead of sending them video which has the possibility of losing a driver his job.

If I'm informing the company anyway, what's the problem with also providing a video to both illustrate what I'm talking about, and to essentially prove that it's happening?

[AnnaliseZ]

Originally Posted by Mark.

You've just lost your bet.

No, if I were acting like a vigilante, I'd take action without involving the bus companies.

If I'm informing the company anyway, what's the problem with also providing a video to both illustrate what I'm talking about, and to essentially prove that it's happening?

I'm sure you're capable of describing what's happening without implicating a particular driver.

Maybe I should start wearing a camera strapped to my head while I'm driving - then I can film all the dangerous cyclists and give them some feedback. Oh no wait - that's right - ive got better things to do.

[Wayne Dibbly]

Originally Posted by Mark.

You've just lost your bet.

No, if I were acting like a vigilante, I'd take action without involving the bus companies.

If I'm informing the company anyway, what's the problem with also providing a video to both illustrate what I'm talking about, and to essentially prove that it's happening?

Paranoid or what!!
Still I guess its only a matter of time before someone helps you with a video of your own rectum.

[Mark.]

Originally Posted by AnnaliseZ

I'm sure you're capable of describing what's happening without implicating a particular driver.

Why shouldn't the drivers be implicated? Surely it's better to target "training" than blame all drivers?

Maybe I should start wearing a camera strapped to my head while I'm driving - then I can film all the dangerous cyclists and give them some feedback.

An excellent idea. The more people highlighting poor road use, the better.

Oh no wait - that's right - ive got better things to do.

That's a pity.

[Mark.]

Originally Posted by Wayne Dibbly

Paranoid or what!!

I'll plump for "or what".

Please say I'm right.

Still I guess its only a matter of time before someone helps you with a video of your own rectum.

Have you always had violent tendencies?

[cjsmummy]

Originally Posted by Mark.

Why shouldn't the drivers be implicated? Surely it's better to target "training" than blame all drivers?

An excellent idea. The more people highlighting poor road use, the better.

That's a pity.

Poor road use isn't restricted to cyclists. In fact, nobody here said that...but cyclists wearing cameras is just weird. Sorry.

Maybe I should set up cameras on my head too. And the OHs car. And the pram, and my toddlers....

In fact, let's just all wear cameras! How fun would that be!

[electron]

Agree on the pavements bit but how they would be charged? Their mode of transport creates zero emissions so is therefore exempt from vehicle excise duty

Change the Bl**dy TAX RIP OFFSystem.
CO2 is not the HOLY GRAIL

Without certain amounts of CO2, Life would not exist

[Mark.]

Originally Posted by cjsmummy

Poor road use isn't restricted to cyclists. In fact, nobody here said that...

At risk of being accused (by others) of "playing the victim", people tend to be more vocal when it comes to poor cycling.

But I don't make any distinction, hence my use of the expression "poor road use".

but cyclists wearing cameras is just weird. Sorry.

Many cyclists would disagree.

I never used to think wearing a camera was a good idea, but then I started cycling to and from work. That made me realise that it can be pretty dangerous out there without a metal shell and several tons protecting you.

[Vast_Girth]

Sometimes, for example if its a narrow road which is difficult to overtake and there are no pedestrians about, then i think its more courteous of cyclists to hop up on the pavement out of the way.

[cjsmummy]

Originally Posted by Mark.

At risk of being accused (by others) of "playing the victim", people tend to be more vocal when it comes to poor cycling.

But I don't make any distinction, hence my use of the expression "poor road use".

Many cyclists would disagree.

I never used to think wearing a camera was a good idea, but then I started cycling to and from work. That made me realise that it can be pretty dangerous out there without a metal shell and several tons protecting you.

As a pedestrian, I am subjected to a fair bit of crap. Would I don a camera? No.....as I would look like a bit of a loon.

Do these films of yours stand up in court? They seem pretty pointless to me. Maybe it's just me though.

[Wayne Dibbly]

Originally Posted by Mark.

Have you always had violent tendencies?

Never.
You?

[magratx]

Originally Posted by Mark.

At risk of being accused (by others) of "playing the victim", people tend to be more vocal when it comes to poor cycling.

But I don't make any distinction, hence my use of the expression "poor road use".

Many cyclists would disagree.

I never used to think wearing a camera was a good idea, but then I started cycling to and from work. That made me realise that it can be pretty dangerous out there without a metal shell and several tons protecting you.

Yet most cyclists seem to think they are invulnerable. Dark road, blind bends, no lights, dark clothing. This is something I see every evening in Trafford Park and it is at least 80% of cyclists. (yes, I have counted, sad or what)

The police ignore these transgressions but if a driver doesn't use their lights the police are all over like a rash.

[Mark.]

Originally Posted by cjsmummy

Do these films of yours stand up in court?

It hasn't been tested, but that's not the point.

I've collected several videos of bus drivers ignoring Advance Stop Lines. This has led to at least one local company taking steps to ensure that drivers are aware of what they're for and why they're positioned where they are. By and large, this has seen an improvement and instances of ASL abuse from this company's drivers are much (much) rarer.

But I'm sure that if I were involved in a collision where the camera captured that it wasn't my fault, the evidence would be admissible in court.

[AnnaliseZ]

Originally Posted by Mark.

Why shouldn't the drivers be implicated? Surely it's better to target "training" than blame all drivers?

An excellent idea. The more people highlighting poor road use, the better.

That's a pity.

Lol are you serious? We should all start wearing cameras on our heads?
Your view is starting to sound a bit like a George Orwell novel.

[Mark.]

Originally Posted by Wayne Dibbly

Never.
You?

Likewise.

Originally Posted by magratx

Yet most cyclists seem to think they are invulnerable. Dark road, blind bends, no lights, dark clothing. This is something I see every evening in Trafford Park and it is at least 80% of cyclists. (yes, I have counted, sad or what)

The police ignore these transgressions but if a driver doesn't use their lights the police are all over like a rash.

I dispute your use of the word "most"; most that you see would be more appropriate, because a single location is useless for gathering meaningful statistics.

[Mark.]

Originally Posted by AnnaliseZ

Lol are you serious? We should all start wearing cameras on our heads?

Miss Straw, meet Mr Man.

[Zero gravitas]

I'm wondering if cameras, like helmets, imbue the cyclist with a false sense of security.