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Scherzinger's Solo Success
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Zack06
21-06-2012
Originally Posted by KieranDS:
“Nicole has a backstory in America but is yet flopping there as well. She was on Popstars, The Sing Off, X Factor USA, Dancing With The Stars and had numerous TV appearances in things like Gossip Girl and was in PussyCat Dolls and was regarded as the main member.

Nicole may not have a backstory in the UK but she does in America - so why is she flopping there? She has all the ingredients. Just no spark imo.

She won't be a major success here either.”

She doesn't have a backstory, don't make things up. There was no high profile marriage, break-up etc....the only think similar is that she was in a girlband that was more successful, but her reputation in the US was damaged by all the allegations during their split.

Nicole was basically singing with backup dancers with the PCD, and it worked...why? Because the music was great and she had the spark. There was a time when the PCD were unstoppable. Her solo career has failed to match that purely because the music she made was rubbish. She tried to switch from the sexy pop of PCD to some R&B/Dance Keri/Ciara style music and it didn't work because her team just couldn't market the change in the right way.

As I said before she needs to find her sound, she already proved with the PCD that she doesn't need a backstory like Cheryl to be successful. Notice how Nicola, Nadine and Kimberley all flopped because they didn't have the same media presence and PR as Cheryl, despite having the exact same path to fame as Cheryl.
granted08
21-06-2012
Nadine is the Irish version of Scherzinger really.
KieranDS
21-06-2012
Originally Posted by Zack06:
“She doesn't have a backstory, don't make things up. There was no high profile marriage, break-up etc....the only think similar is that she was in a girlband that was more successful, but her reputation in the US was damaged by all the allegations during their split.

Nicole was basically singing with backup dancers with the PCD, and it worked...why? Because the music was great and she had the spark. There was a time when the PCD were unstoppable. Her solo career has failed to match that purely because the music she made was rubbish. She tried to switch from the sexy pop of PCD to some R&B/Dance Keri/Ciara style music and it didn't work because her team just couldn't market the change in the right way.

As I said before she needs to find her sound, she already proved with the PCD that she doesn't need a backstory like Cheryl to be successful. Notice how Nicola, Nadine and Kimberley all flopped because they didn't have the same media presence and PR as Cheryl, despite having the exact same path to fame as Cheryl.”

As a solo artist she was known to the American public through the variety of different shows she has been on and being part of PCD - that is a backstory. She is not a random chick from the street that the public have never seen before. What am I making up? Please inform me.
Zack06
21-06-2012
Originally Posted by granted08:
“Nadine is the Irish version of Scherzinger really.”

Nadine is on her own level. At least Nicole's effort at cracking the US as a solo artist was a bit more developed than one performance in some LA drag bar and a half a minute appearance in embarrassingly subtitled scenes on a show where nobody knows her.

Nicole won't be a success in the US, but I do think she can forge a career for herself in the UK. She has already said that she has new music coming this year, and her last album was quite successful, she just needs to up her game.
Zack06
21-06-2012
Originally Posted by KieranDS:
“As a solo artist she was known to the American public through the variety of different shows she has been on and being part of PCD - that is a backstory. She is not a random chick from the street that the public have never seen before. What am I making up? Please inform me.”

Like I said, that is not the same as a marriage, divorce and constant appearances in trashy magazines. It's not the same, and I don't know why you think appearing in a band is a backstory on the same level as that. By your logic, Nicola, Nadine (who was the lead singer) and Kimberley would all have been solo successes as they were also in a band and appeared on reality shows, but they weren't because they did not have the same backstory as Cheryl, just like Nicole.

The US media knew hardly anything about Nicole besides her appearances in the band and TV shows, but Cheryl was known for her criminal convictions and marriage, THAT is the difference, and you trying to say that Nicole had the same type of exposure in the US is doesn't add up.
SpencerLevey
21-06-2012
IMO Nicole Scherzinger will have a modest/average solo career. Killer Love has sold 120,341 in the UK, and 500,000 worldwide, not great but good. She has had 3 Top 5 Singles (Poison, Don't Hold Your Breath" and Right There) 2 Top 20 Singles (Baby Love and Try With Me) and Wet which charted just outside of Top 20.

She has the whole package of a pop-star, the looks, sex appeal, good pop songs, voice. But, IMO she needs to get good promotion and work on more catchier songs. She seems like such a sweet and inncoent person, can't wait to see her on the X Factor.
granted08
21-06-2012
Nadine was having fun in LA and they're are plenty of Amercian shows that subtitle the English Irish and Scottish, it just makes it more understandable. It wasn't embarrasing for Nadine, but the press jumped on it negatively like they always do ANTM was a huge gig for her. If it was any other member of girls aloud the media would have given them non stop praise and put pictures of them with Tyra on magazines.

The media are really cruel to her for some reason. I think Scherzinger can be great in the uk or us, but Scherzinger's PR need to turn the uk into "Scherzinger city" with promo so everyone and their dog know who Scherzinger is.
KieranDS
21-06-2012
Originally Posted by Zack06:
“Like I said, that is not the same as a marriage, divorce and constant appearances in trashy magazines. It's not the same, and I don't know why you think appearing in a band is a backstory on the same level as that. By your logic, Nicola, Nadine (who was the lead singer) and Kimberley would all have been solo successes as they were also in a band and appeared on reality shows, but they weren't because they did not have the same backstory as Cheryl, just like Nicole.

The US media knew hardly anything about Nicole besides her appearances in the band and TV shows, but Cheryl was known for her criminal convictions and marriage, THAT is the difference, and you trying to say that Nicole had the same type of exposure in the US is doesn't add up.”

Cool
gpk
21-06-2012
i very much doubt the album shifted half a million worldwide, probably considerably less than that at best. considering the sheer amount of music recorded to end up with those figures is not great by any stretch of the imagination. apparently, she is still working with huge producers and its baffling that interscope are allowing this considering the little return she is providing. i think she will continue to do moderately well in the uk, but at some point interscope will have to reconsider their investment.
granted08
21-06-2012
Scherzinger did sell enough to tour, bag one X factor stint two X factor jobs and negotiate a lump sum contract with producers, so Scherzinger's doing something right.
LemonPledge
21-06-2012
Originally Posted by guffybear:
“She is only because she is a WAG and danced around half naked”

but ... that's the only reason why Cheryl is famous. Lets not pretend she's some sort of great talent, it's just embarrassing Mr. Bear.
granted08
21-06-2012
But Tweedy can't do any wrong despite using her ex's surname and hanging on to it for dear life for the brand and the cash. Scherzinger is apparently a tarty wag who's kept her real name and sings live everytime.
Tiki - Taka
21-06-2012
Originally Posted by granted08:
“But Tweedy can't do any wrong despite using her ex's surname and hanging on to it for dear life for the brand and the cash. Scherzinger is apparently a tarty wag who's kept her real name and sings live everytime.”

Cheryl should be forever grateful to Ashley Cole...
Without him she'd have been stuck with " Cheryl Tweedy".. doesn't really have a ring to it like "Cheryl Cole".. Much more marketable lol.
granted08
21-06-2012
No Tweedy doesn't really have that extra "punch" to it, does it? her PR isn't stupid. The alliterated surname the cutsey girl next door/I'm worth it act. People should be thanking Scherzinger for agreeing to X factor.
guffybear
21-06-2012
Originally Posted by Zack06:
“Lmao this comment is a complete fail. And calling her a man....? Really? Is that all you can come up with...? Plus playing the Cowell puppet thing doesn't work when Cheryl was more than happy to get her strings pulled for all those years, yet she gets off completely by you...

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it has long been rumored that they was a sex change member of the pussycat dolls so why not her ? throw in the rumors about her 'boyfriend' and her being his beard and who better to have as a beard then a 'female' who needs to be seen as one

the puppet card is perfectly valid because there are people who have posted in previously as you say about Cheryl but they have no either ignored it or failed to comment on the similarity. this hypocrisy needs to be exposed
guffybear
21-06-2012
Originally Posted by plankwalker:
“A heart rendering final fall out with the love of her life after his public indiscretions, made even more public with the very public media spin. A mysteriously drawn out reported brush with death, after being bitten by a nasty spider. To which no other Celebrity had ever experienced when they go on holiday. Looking happy while Simon employs his right hand up the back of your chair week in week out. All to come?”


and how does this make people but her records ?

the highlighted part certainly shows how seriously your posts should be taken
guffybear
21-06-2012
Originally Posted by granted08:
“". It's a reaction caused by media hype, because her PR sells every apect of her life to make up for the lack of talent she has. It's a case of any publicity is good publicity and it seems desperate and tacky imo. Scherzinger has the looks, talent, and the drive to work her bum off, so Scherzinger of all people deserve the press on her twenty four seven.”


and how would this not sell every aspect of her life, while not seeming desperate and tacky ? why are you fine with someone getting this exposure if you like them and think it is such an abhorrent occurrence if you do not like do not ?

it seems to me that it would be exactly what you are complaining that another actually successful artist receives. that would of course be the artist who you confidently said 'her career is in a nosedive' only for her to have the fastest selling single of 2012 in the following week
guffybear
21-06-2012
Originally Posted by granted08:
“Nadine is the Irish version of Scherzinger really.”

why does Schwaneggzinger lie as well ?

they are similar in the numbers of records sold
Gaspanic!
21-06-2012
Originally Posted by SpencerLevey:
“IMO Nicole Scherzinger will have a modest/average solo career. Killer Love has sold 120,341 in the UK, and 500,000 worldwide,”

Don't believe that
cm1992
21-06-2012
Originally Posted by Zack06:
“Like I said, that is not the same as a marriage, divorce and constant appearances in trashy magazines. It's not the same, and I don't know why you think appearing in a band is a backstory on the same level as that. By your logic, Nicola, Nadine (who was the lead singer) and Kimberley would all have been solo successes as they were also in a band and appeared on reality shows, but they weren't because they did not have the same backstory as Cheryl, just like Nicole.

The US media knew hardly anything about Nicole besides her appearances in the band and TV shows, but Cheryl was known for her criminal convictions and marriage, THAT is the difference, and you trying to say that Nicole had the same type of exposure in the US is doesn't add up.”

Cheryl's conviction never defined her. She had the reputation as the gobby one but the incident was rarely mentioned again until about the 2nd/3rd episode of X Factor 2008 aired and people got sick of her being nice. The Ashley thing does to a certain extent but I can't understand why anyone would buy a record because the singer was cheated on eg. Nadine went out with a Hollywood D-lister, her engagement to a sports star was called off and she lied to people's faces repeatedly on camera on Popsrars. But she isn't branded a liar or poor Nadine. If anything, it was big bad Cheryl blanking Nadine. That didn't help her sales. Back on topic, Cheryl said Nicole didn't have the 'x factor'. Maybe she was right. I think she will contibue to do well in the UK and Europe. Something like Right There ft. 50 Cent not going top 10 was strange.
Rui_Phillips
21-06-2012
It has sold that much

Proof: http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/new...m-delay-261987
gpk
21-06-2012
Originally Posted by Rui_Phillips:
“It has sold that much

Proof: http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/new...m-delay-261987”

the report quotes the uk sales which nobody has disputed.
Chip Popple
22-06-2012
Originally Posted by guffybear:
“and how does this make people but her records ?

the highlighted part certainly shows how seriously your posts should be taken”


Perhaps the person in question couldn't spell mosquito Guffybear
KieranDS
22-06-2012
If marriage, divorce and being in trashy magazines gets you a number #1, I assume Katie Price did a few years ago when she released that song. Oh wait............
Red22
22-06-2012
Didn't sherzinger break up with her big-UK-sports-personality-boyfriend a while ago, but nobody cared..., so she got back together with him again

So she/her management tried to do a 'Cheryl' but kinda failed
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