[-Sid-]

Originally Posted by Kewpee

She didn't nominate Deana though....unlike Deana who jumped on the mistrusty Lauren bandwagong and nominated Lauren.

I didn't say she did.

But Lauren was complicit in perpetuating the "fake" accusations through conversations she was having with people.

And Deana was upfront about her nomination and genuinely seemed to regret it (not that I think she covered herself in glory during last night's show).

Personally, I thought the reasons housemates gave for nominating Lauren were perfectly valid (apart from Becky, who didn't sound convincing at all). The first episode I watched of BB this year I drew the same conclusion about her - she tries too hard, telling people what they want to hear, and it comes across as false. There are worse qualities for a person to have, but I imagine the sort of neediness Lauren displays must be quite draining and annoying in the confines of the Big Brother house.

Originally Posted by Speak-Softly

Hi Sid.

Looks like we are going to have the usual "entente cordial" for the duration of BB.

I don't dislike Lauren as much as it would appear from my posting. But this painting her as victim has gone overboard on here.

Hey SS

Lauren's assumed "sacred victim" status.

Not sure how much we agree about the others though as Benedict is my numero uno

[xMsStunnahxx]

Didn't Deana admit to it?

[john176bramley]

Originally Posted by Kewpee

She didn't nominate Deana though....unlike Deana who jumped on the mistrusty Lauren bandwagong and nominated Lauren.

We did see Deana trying to talk herself out of nominating Lauren though, saying she was a nice girl really. Sara and (I think) Lydia convinced her Lauren couldn't be trusted though and Deana said perhaps she was wrong (because she trusted Becky and we all saw what happened there).

[john176bramley]

Originally Posted by xMsStunnahxx

Didn't Deana admit to it?

She did, and I think she genuinely regretted nominating Lauren.

I assume Deana and Lydia must talk about who they've nominated, I do wonder what Lydia tells her?

[Speak-Softly]

Originally Posted by xMsStunnahxx

She is getting annoying but I dont blame her, she is being hated for no apparent reason! :@

How comes running around telling everybody that "people don't like me and are being mean to me" is not a reason to dislike somebody?

Look at the trouble she causes, isn't that reason to dislike her?
Do you think that her "pocket venus" and "all the girls dislike me" schtick doesn't have an effect in the house on those she is targeting and in turn their relationships with other people?

Half of the hate directed at Ashleigh and Sara here is down to what Lauren says. Doesn't seem to matter if it's true or not.

[missbeenie]

Originally Posted by Paul Wilson

Well, presumably Sara knows things have went way too far, hence he reaction last night. Or was that Laurens fault too? She doesn't expect 'everybody to like her.' But what I'd imagine she would expect - and most sane people in a house filled with others would - is not to be completely shunned by people with frustratingly vague reasons of why they don't like her. Certain peoples reactions last night smacks of guilt. They know this won't look good on them - actually, not that it won't look good. It isn't.

Who is Lauren being shunned by exactly? As far as I can see, she is not being shunned by anyone. All that is happening is that a few hms are not that into her, and they are allowed not to like and love everybody. Other people in the house know that they are not liked and we don't see them doing such a song and dance about it.

[Eric A Blair]

Originally Posted by xMsStunnahxx

She is getting annoying but I dont blame her, she is being hated for no apparent reason! :@

don't think she is hated, hated is a strong word often misused.

However, I do think people find her very trying and have had enough of her, crying, self pity and I have no friends argument. People have had enough and don't want to live in that atmosphere. she is not helping herself with her general demeanour.

But that said I hope she survives the vote this Friday, and if she could lighten up that would be a bonus

[-Sid-]

Originally Posted by netcurtains

Quite, I'm a bolshy strong person and couldn't give two hoots if people like me or not but that's easy to do out in the real world, I just come home to my safe haven and I'm fine.
If I were cooped up with a gaggle of people who didn't like me and spent their entire days whispering in little cliques about me, I may well crumble and become a snivelly cry baby.

But they're all involved in whispering, bitching, plotting and scheming. That's the nature of the game under the new rules. I don't like it but that's the way it is. Lauren herself was happy to discuss with other housemates who she might put in the firing line. And she will again.

[Speak-Softly]

Originally Posted by -Sid-

I didn't say she did.

But Lauren was complicit in perpetuating the "fake" accusations through conversations she was having with people.

And Deana was upfront about her nomination and genuinely seemed to regret it (not that I think she covered herself in glory during last night's show).

Personally, I thought the reasons housemates gave for nominating Lauren were perfectly valid (apart from Becky, who didn't sound convincing at all). The first episode I watched of BB this year I drew the same conclusion about her - she tries too hard, telling people what they want to hear, and it comes across as false. There are worse qualities for a person to have, but I imagine the sort of neediness Lauren displays must be quite draining and annoying in the confines of the Big Brother house.



Hey SS

Lauren's assumed "sacred victim" status.

Not sure how much we agree about the others though as Benedict is my numero uno

Oh dear, and it was going so well.

Have to say he was mine too until the "pompous teacher" side came out.

It wasn't the wank thing though, it was the bitching in the hot tub and his attitude to Scott.
Basically, how dare he decide what's good for people?

[Deol]

Originally Posted by JanisElizabeth

And yet Lydia nominated Deana lol . The girl has no scruples

Haha I know! How does she expect her plan to work if she is nominating her own gang.

[qwertyell]

Originally Posted by Speak-Softly

Half of the hate directed at Ashleigh and Sara here is down to what Lauren says. Doesn't seem to matter if it's true or not.

Well that's bollocks - people on here had Ashleigh's number before her entrance VT had finished playing.

And they were right.

[avon942]

Originally Posted by Speak-Softly

How comes running around telling everybody that "people don't like me and are being mean to me" is not a reason to dislike somebody?

Look at the trouble she causes, isn't that reason to dislike her?
Do you think that her "pocket venus" and "all the girls dislike me" schtick doesn't have an effect in the house on those she is targeting and in turn their relationships with other people?

Half of the hate directed at Ashleigh and Sara here is down to what Lauren says. Doesn't seem to matter if it's true or not.

Agreed!

[Doug Lewis]

Originally Posted by Speak-Softly

Please point out where anybody has bullied her?

Or is the new interpretation of bullying?
If somebody doesn't like you it's against your "human rights" and that person can be name called with impunity.

What right does she have to expect people to go along with her gameplaying of ensuring everybody likes her?
Is there some new law that says you must like a person?
And why haven't any of the others complained that Luke A, for instance, doesn't like them?

Couldn't Aaron complain and cry about Lydia not liking him and trying to get everybody to agree with her?

Exactly.

[Speak-Softly]

Originally Posted by qwertyell

Well that's bollocks - people on here had Ashleigh's number before her entrance VT had finished playing.

And they were right.

And now we're giving credence to entrance videos?

How many times in the past have entrance videos been completely dismissed by viewers here as being a set up by the producers to manipulate them?

Why bother even watching the show if you aren't going to change your mind about people as the weeks progress?

Couldn't stand Ashleigh at the start, she's not coming across badly now, that's all. Next week that may all change.

Didn't like Becky, now not so bad.

Liked Benedict, don't like him now.

And so it goes on.

[chamleyc]

shes playin the biggest game and its working people out here are feelin sorry for her she goes against the girls to stick up for the boys every time no wonder they dont like her its not exactly a good way to make friends

[Eric A Blair]

Originally Posted by Speak-Softly

And now we're giving credence to entrance videos?
.

Its always been the case that VT's are cited in evidence if they support your argument and dismissed if they don't.

Nothing new there

[dialectic]

Originally Posted by Paul Wilson

Well, presumably Sara knows things have went way too far, hence he reaction last night. Or was that Laurens fault too? She doesn't expect 'everybody to like her.' But what I'd imagine she would expect - and most sane people in a house filled with others would - is not to be completely shunned by people with frustratingly vague reasons of why they don't like her. Certain peoples reactions last night smacks of guilt. They know this won't look good on them - actually, not that it won't look good. It isn't.

They targeted her for what they perceived as her weaknesses. Very early on in the show, Sara claimed she saw''cracks'' forming in Lauren. Her group exploited this.

[-Sid-]

Originally Posted by Speak-Softly

Oh dear, and it was going so well.

Have to say he was mine too until the "pompous teacher" side came out.

It wasn't the wank thing though, it was the bitching in the hot tub and his attitude to Scott.
Basically, how dare he decide what's good for people?

I accept all the criticisms leveled at Benedict - he can be an infuriating, overbearing know-all. But I can't help liking the guy! I don't think there's any real malice in him and it's always refreshing when a housemate has a brain and opinions that go beyond who to nominate and who fancies who. He's different. And the house needs someone who is willing to challenge the likes of Arron & Caroline who are becoming too powerful.

I can't say I have a very high opinion of Scott. The guy gives me the heebie jeebies.

[Jeanie]

Originally Posted by Speak-Softly

Please point out where anybody has bullied her?

Or is the new interpretation of bullying?
If somebody doesn't like you it's against your "human rights" and that person can be name called with impunity.

What right does she have to expect people to go along with her gameplaying of ensuring everybody likes her?

Is there some new law that says you must like a person?

And why haven't any of the others complained that Luke A, for instance, doesn't like them?

Couldn't Aaron complain and cry about Lydia not liking him and trying to get everybody to agree with her?

Yet again, I am in agreement with you, Speak-Softly.

It seems to me that Sara and Ashleigh quite like each other, and have formed a sort of 'friendship'. Lauren seems to get on fine with some of the other housemates, yet is always bellyaching that nobody likes her. Kind of insulting for those HMs who do spend time with her.

I'm fed up with the suggestion that Lauren is being bullied, simply because two HMs are not that bothered about spending time with her. As far as we have seen, they haven't bullied her or been mean to her - they just don't particularly want to spend time in her company.

At the risk of repeating what I've said on other threads, Lauren knows exactly how to play the game and is attempting to turn any unfavourable reaction to her entirely to her advantage.

I actually don't believe she really gives two hoots about who does and doesn't like her - she just knows that by being the victim makes her a sympathetic character in the eyes of the public.

Viewers need to remember "Lauren was a gymnastics prodigy and by the age of 13 she had represented Jersey before taking up karate. She's currently a black belt and holds three world championship titles."

Anyone want to convince me that the girl who has had major success in a very competitive sport is really so insecure that she blubs because two girls don't want to link arms with her?

[Speak-Softly]

Originally Posted by -Sid-

I accept all the criticisms leveled at Benedict - he can be an infuriating, overbearing know-all. But I can't help liking the guy! I don't think there's any real malice in him and it's always refreshing when a housemate has a brain and opinions that go beyond who to nominate and who fancies who. He's different. And the house needs someone who is willing to challenge the likes of Arron & Caroline who are getting too powerful.

I can't say I have a very high opinion of Scott. The guy gives me the heebie jeebies.

I thought the rant in the DR was malicious.

Never understood the view (and it's often expressed here) that those with not much in the way of brains/talent should just meekly accept their lot in life and never aspire to having what they consider to be the "good things".

What they see as the "good things" obviously, bit of celebity, bit more money than they can earn doing a non professional job, getting treated a bit better and invited to things they have no hope of ever been included in.

When you see the truly talented/clever take so much of what they recieve as their due so often, getting a slice of that action by whatever means possible (like BB) isn't such a crime.

[couchpotato2011]

She's always bringing whoever she's talking to down. She just whines and cries. "I didn't know it would be like this." Has she never watched the show before?
If I was in that house and she came over to me I would do my best to get away from her because she brings you down with all her negative crap.

[amelie74]

Originally Posted by Speak-Softly

The thing is, some people do like her in the house.

So what's she saying?
That those who do like her don't count?
They are not good enough?

Seems strange that the group being called "the mean girls" here, is the group Lauren wants to be friends with yet that's not held against her.

Mean girl cliques often are perceived by themselves and others as an elite group. The will pick on and be mean to girls outside their group. Maybe Lauren was desperate to be in that group so she could be part of it rather than their victim.

I really think Lauren needs to distance herself from these girls, They will never accept her but could pretend to and use her if they need to. She needs to form bonds with some of the more pleasant hms and leave the clique to fester - eventually they'll probably turn against each other..

[Speak-Softly]

Originally Posted by Jeanie

Yet again, I am in agreement with you, Speak-Softly.

It seems to me that Sara and Ashleigh quite like each other, and have formed a sort of 'friendship'. Lauren seems to get on fine with some of the other housemates, yet is always bellyaching that nobody likes her. Kind of insulting for those HMs who do spend time with her.

I'm fed up with the suggestion that Lauren is being bullied, simply because two HMs are not that bothered about spending time with her. As far as we have seen, they haven't bullied her or been mean to her - they just don't particularly want to spend time in her company.

At the risk of repeating what I've said on other threads, Lauren knows exactly how to play the game and is attempting to turn any unfavourable reaction to her entirely to her advantage.

I actually don't believe she really gives two hoots about who does and doesn't like her - she just knows that by being the victim makes her a sympathetic character in the eyes of the public.

Viewers need to remember "Lauren was a gymnastics prodigy and by the age of 13 she had represented Jersey before taking up karate. She's currently a black belt and holds three world championship titles."

Anyone want to convince me that the girl who has had major success in a very competitive sport is really so insecure that she blubs because two girls don't want to link arms with her?

Thank you.

About the sport side.
It's not a very nice thing to do beating another opponent so you get the prize is it?
Any sport, it's not being nice and friendly to win.

Nice and friendly would be letting the other person win. It might mean more to them for starters.
Pretty sure that other people who she has beaten in the past haven't felt particually friendly towards her.

So what, she went off and had a good cry whilst clutching the trophy.

[avon942]

2.51pm: Lauren, Deana and Lydia are talking nominations. Lauren is saying she'll never forget how Asheligh and Sara treated her #bbuklive

And she's still going on! Bit dramatic lauren!

[qwertyell]

Originally Posted by Speak-Softly

Thank you.

About the sport side.
It's not a very nice thing to do beating another opponent so you get the prize is it?
Any sport, it's not being nice and friendly to win.

Nice and friendly would be letting the other person win. It might mean more to them for starters.
Pretty sure that other people who she has beaten in the past haven't felt particually friendly towards her.

So what, she went off and had a good cry whilst clutching the trophy.

Oh come on - that's the silliest rationale I've ever heard. Because she's good at sport she must therefore be a hard-nosed bitch?

Because she didn't "let the other person win... it might mean more to them" she's unfriendly?