[i4u]

Originally Posted by Canks

I am not a JImmy Carr fan. I don't like him but what sort of father sells a story on his own son particularly at a time when the media is gunning for him? I don't yet have children but if I ever do then I hope I would support them without keeping a tally sheet. It seems as though Carr senior now resents the parental support he says he gave freely.

As Jimmy Carr might say....

What sort of f***ing c*** would make claims about his father that a judge rules are false?

[Helenaka]

Originally Posted by i4u

Looks like Jimmy's anger may get the better of him, wonder how vindictive he can be towards someone he feels has annoyed him.

That was originally said by one of the other comedians on 8 out of 10 cats before Jimmy said that. So, it did not just come from JC first.

Also, he said it as a joke in standup in Stockport.

I bet its no worse then what a lot of people said to themselves when they heard David Cameron's criticism of Jimmy Carr. I know that thought crossed my mind and also the hypocrisy of that statement given certain members of the conservative party's tax avoidance schemes.

i4u, in the past I have found your posts to be insightful and interesting, but you really seem to be on a witch hunt here and you are jumping on any little negative point you can find about Jimmy Carr and stretching it to fit your argument. Its a bit ott imho.

[Canks]

Originally Posted by i4u

As Jimmy Carr might say....

I don't have much time for either of them but two wrongs and all that. It just seems a bit like kicking his own son whilst he is down and ostensibly in the spirit of a reconciliation. I think the father should maybe be the bigger man here. I am different to some other posters, I admit I am interested in people's private affairs - I am nosey. But this modern trend of washing in public isn't, I think, healthy.

[Daisy Bennyboots]

What kind of man sells the rift with his son to a newspaper? What kind of person falsely accuses their dad and puts then though an horrendous court experince?

Doesn't sound like the apple fell far from the tree to me.

The losers? The tax payer (again) who had to pay out to Jimmy's dad. It all sounds a bit juvenile to me.

[katinthehat]

Originally Posted by Goldbear86

I dont know why people think it should have an effect on his career, i mean are Take That going to be less popular because of their involvement? Is Gary Barlow going to be stripped of his obe? Doubt it. Jimmy carr is a comedian. By and by he keeps his personal life to himself and people who go to his shows like his act.

Ive met Jimmy lots of times in a professional and personal capacity and i cant fault him. Hes always been very pleasant tome and to his fans. Witnessing him staying behind after a gig to sign autographs to hundreds of fans after a show particularly one one occasion when it was snowing heavily and he had a sleeper train to get that night is not something i see many comedians doing.

I am not saying what he did was right but this media smear campaign is not right either. Particularly when some celebs who did the same arent getting this type of hatred. I am personally not interested in his father selling his story. What kind of father does that to their son? Says a lot about his father rather than Jimmy.

If you have met him a professional capacity then you'll know he likes to greet his fans after shows, to boost the sales of his dvd's ect. He doesn't mind taking extra cash from the ordinary tax paying citizen.

His Dad sounds like he is seeking a bit of revenge and there is no better time to strike when the iron is hot.

Does Jimmy deserve the flack he's getting? Of course and as for others not getting their share, well maybe Jimmy isn't the nice guy you thought he was and is not forgiven like Mr Goody 2 shoes Barlow.
IMO, they all should be ashamed of themselves.

[jules1000]

Originally Posted by Canks

I am not a JImmy Carr fan. I don't like him but what sort of father sells a story on his own son particularly at a time when the media is gunning for him? I don't yet have children but if I ever do then I hope I would support them without keeping a tally sheet. It seems as though Carr senior now resents the parental support he says he gave freely.

I agree with this I am not a fan but his dad is kicking him whilst down is pretty poor. I can only assume there is bitter rivalry between the two,

[RealityRocks]

Originally Posted by Remit

Pretending something is a loan when it is not a loan?
Pretending to be employed in Jersey?
Having the boss so happen to give your earnings to Jersey company by co-incidence, and by another coincidence it is the company you now work for.

This is illegal- it is fraud.

Maybe they have to make up a story with lots of lies to explain it- but that would just be the same as lying on your benefit claim and getting away with it.

Is it legal to commit fraud until you get found out? I don't get it.

He is no victim- it is a very corrupt scheme.

It's not illegal. It's immoral, given that he was benefitting from taxpayer funded services whilst living in the UK and earning a very high wage, but it's not illegal.

Fraud is misrepresenting an identity or saleable item with the intention to mislead for personal profit. Jimmy was always owed his wage, he did the work for it, but he dodged the upper tax bracket by being paid the minimum wage by K2 and receiving the difference as a 'loan' (which is never paid back). You don't pay tax on loans, hence the avoidance.

Compare one Jimmy Carr, who 'dodged' maybe 1.5 millon in tax, to Vodafone, who recently point blank refused to pay the tax they owed HMRC. This IS illegal, but HMRC did not uphold a complaint nor contact the authorities to prosecute. Vodafone have illegally avoided paying over 1 billion pounds of tax.

As much as I'm no fan of Jimmy Carr I think he's a pawn in this - there are many MPs and celebrities which have avoided a lot more tax and continue to do so - and has been made a scapegoat, somewhat unfairly.

As Jimmy Carr is no longer participating in the K2 scheme, am I to assume David Cameron will now verbally attack, say, Gary Barlow, who as a higher earner over a longer period will surely have avoided more tax? Oh - forgot - Gary Barlow OBE, friend of royalty and friend of No10, couldn't possibly be as bad as nasty Jimmy Carr who doesn't get on with his dad. It's all a bit pathetic.

[dadde]

The answer to this question is a clear cut yes.
But why ?
Thats another question but a possible answer is Parental Alienation Syndrome.

[dadde]

Carr senior did not sell his story to the press.
Get your facts straight lest you stray over the line marked defamation.

[Saltydog1955]

Originally Posted by dadde

The answer to this question is a clear cut yes.
But why ?
Thats another question but a possible answer is Parental Alienation Syndrome.

Originally Posted by dadde

Carr senior did not sell his story to the press.
Get your facts straight lest you stray over the line marked defamation.

Are you Carr senior?

[SarahJam]

Originally Posted by Saltydog1955

Are you Carr senior?

Thats the first thing I thought too!

[Saltydog1955]

Originally Posted by SarahJam

Thats the first thing I thought too!

Must be, otherwise why dredge up a thread that was last posted in nearly six months ago.

Don't worry Mr Carr, I think people will have lost interest in your story by now!

[intoxication]

Originally Posted by Saltydog1955

Are you Carr senior?

Yes, he's Jimmy's dadde

[quasimoron]

Jimmy Carr can be funny and has an acerbic wit. He is not the first and wont be the last to swindle his tax.
But defaming his own dad and bringing him to court is much worse, than his dad speaking about something we all know already. Treating your father like that is atrocious but I suspect Pater Carr spoiled and carried his sons and like all spoiled kids, they are unappreciative and ungrateful with a sense of entitlement..
He has to take some responsibility for spoiling them and not giving them the gift of making and paying their own way in the world.
I suspect this row is about money, inherited maybe or poor communication/ bad feelings in other ways.Maybe he needed a few bob and they refused to give him some cash and he felt after he bankrolled them, they might be more generous. Goes to show if you give, give without expectations. JC Imo might be a bit tight.

The dad would be better off cutting his losses and getting on with his life away from his surly offspring.You can choose your friends but not your relatives.They should make the effort to get on with their dad,as he raised them and supported them. Be civil and respectful at least.None of them would be where they are, without him.


Bringing him to court on false charges out of what can only be spite and malice is low, very low. It makes Jimmy and his bros look like bunch of bollixtos.

[tiggerpooh]

Oh dear. It doesn't look good for him, does it? I liked him a lot before this, and I thought he was funny, but I'm afraid he's not high on my list of fave celebs anymore.

I dunno whether I'm going to continue to watch his live shows. I've got two of them on DVD. They may end up in a charity shop soon. Or somewhere like Cash Converters, where I can make some money on them.

He really needs to redeem himself in a big way, but If you ask me, I think the damage has been done. He aught to be ashamed of himself, getting his own father arrested for no apparent reason.

That is low. VERY low!! Tut! Tut! Channel 4 should take his show 8 Out of 10 Cats off the air immedietly and suspend Jimmy for a few months, without pay. Also getting someone else to present the Big Fat Quiz of the Year at the end of December. YouTube should also block for a few months, any clips of him on there, including full eps of shows.

[SarahJam]

I think there might be loads more to this story. But remember parents aren't always in the clear, take the case of the girl from Modern Family who just got removed from her mothers care due to abuse!

[i4u]

Did anyone see 8 out of 10 Cats last night?

There seemed to be a very awkward moment when Johnny Vegas said to Jimmy Carr something about no longer being a relative..it all went quiet.