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Old 26-06-2012, 15:22
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Huge music lover, of many genres, and always enjoy a good discussion about the subject, BUT....

The Virtual Jukebox (initially known as Virtual iPod) that has been running on Radio 5 LIve with Dotun Adebayo for well over a year now, in the early hours of every Sunday morning, is beginning to drag out, and make what could be a continuing great subject, increasingly lame.

The same people are listening week in week out as you would expect, but the same people are ringing in week in week out too, and often with exactly the same song to mention again and again and again. It seems like a very small circle of people are sounding off about their music tastes, and some very eccentric tunes have been finding their way into this Virtual Jukebox.
How genuine is all this? When a song wins enough support to get itself on, exactly how many people have infact voted for it? A couple of dozen seems likely, but we never hear.
A lot of the choices are pushed by Dotun and his own tastes to the detriment of others, and that shows in the list of choices that have been made over the past 80 or so weeks. Some are very good, others clearly suspect.
Just having the same small coterie of people talking and ringing in every single week is not, after 80 weeks or so, credible any longer. For heavens sake, one song has even been put on the jukebox TWICE!
I think a little bit more structure to the discussion and opinions would be helpful, and some fresh voices heard, both as guests of the show, and as callers ringing in their songs.
Week after week we are now getting the same presenter talking to the same couple of guests, with the same callers, often about the same songs!
It began with good intent, and was interesting, but has become stale, predictable, and not really a barometer of anything musical whatsoever, and just a lazy and rather self indulgent way to fill the night time hours as cheaply as possible due to BBC savings on proper journalistic news gathering and stories of interest.
That is the real reason why the Virtual Jukebox is going after 80 weeks or so.
I'm afraid they are now starting to lose a serious music lover who likes this kind of thing, but this has run out of impact and meaning, despite Dotun Adebayo's seeming enthusiasm on the subject which no longer holds much sway.
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Old 26-06-2012, 16:10
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I caught a bit of this program the other night when Stevie Wonder was mentioned, I mistakenly thought this should be interesting being a Stevie fan. What did he play none other than “I Just Called to Say I Love You”. Which I would have thought would be universally acknowledged as his worst record by far.
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Old 26-06-2012, 16:39
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“I Just Called to Say I Love You”. Which I would have thought would be universally acknowledged as his worst record by far.
I do tend to agree,yet it was one of his best sellers, if not THE best seller.
But I guess you only have to look at The Human League's "Don't You Want Me" to realise that an artists best selling song isn't necessarily their best song.
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Old 26-06-2012, 21:07
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I do tend to agree,yet it was one of his best sellers, if not THE best seller.
But I guess you only have to look at The Human League's "Don't You Want Me" to realise that an artists best selling song isn't necessarily their best song.
It was his first solo UK No1 hit, 6 weeks on top during September/October 1984 and selling over the million. He had hit No2 a few times beforehand, with Yesterday-Yesterme-Yesteryou (Dec'69), Sir Duke (May '77), Masterblaster (Oct '80) and Happy Birthday (Jul '81).

In the show they somewhat sneered at Ebony & Ivory, by Stevie Wonder & Paul McCartney which was the first time he ever hit the top in the UK, in April '82. I don't understand why as this is infact a fine song, well sung, produced and had a great video too. It's no I Just Called To Say I Love You.

So much musical snobbery comes out in this show at times.
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Old 26-06-2012, 21:28
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The virtual bookshelf worked but I don't think the music one does to be honest. I actually miss the big movie phone in they used to do with that bloke (can't remember his name now), that got dropped for some reason, I found that better than the Kermode/Mayo show which has I think jumped the shark.
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Old 26-06-2012, 21:39
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I do think the Virtual Jukebox has long since passed its sell by date. I'm not really a fan of music being played during the night and much prefer speech based radio but there was a time when this part of Up All Night was a decent listen. But it no longer is.
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Old 26-06-2012, 22:33
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The problem with 'regulars' must be an overnight problem. Those on the World Football Phone In can bog down the very informative programme with their silly bits of banter, encouraged it has to be said, by the presenter. Nothing will ever change though.
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Old 26-06-2012, 22:35
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It was his first solo UK No1 hit, 6 weeks on top during September/October 1984 and selling over the million. He had hit No2 a few times beforehand, with Yesterday-Yesterme-Yesteryou (Dec'69), Sir Duke (May '77), Masterblaster (Oct '80) and Happy Birthday (Jul '81).

In the show they somewhat sneered at Ebony & Ivory, by Stevie Wonder & Paul McCartney which was the first time he ever hit the top in the UK, in April '82. I don't understand why as this is infact a fine song, well sung, produced and had a great video too. It's no I Just Called To Say I Love You.

So much musical snobbery comes out in this show at times.
I don't wish to be too pernickety here, but you've made your first Dotunism right there; It was Yesterme, Yesteryou Yesterday and a great single it was too.
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Old 27-06-2012, 01:39
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I don't wish to be too pernickety here, but you've made your first Dotunism right there; It was Yesterme, Yesteryou Yesterday and a great single it was too.
Can I be pernickety back.

Er, it's got hyphens. Yester-me,Yester-you,Yesterday.

The last one doesn't have a hyphen. I feel so much better now for getting that off my chest.
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Old 27-06-2012, 01:43
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Dotunisms? I like that phrase.

This applies to callers though. There is one old boy who calls into the jukebox almost weekly and always calls him Dolton, and he never, ever corrects him, which is hugely frustrating.
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Old 27-06-2012, 01:54
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The problem with 'regulars' must be an overnight problem. Those on the World Football Phone In can bog down the very informative programme with their silly bits of banter, encouraged it has to be said, by the presenter. Nothing will ever change though.
Clearly overnight there are fewer listeners, and maybe the ones that do listen are more loyal. But in terms of the Virtual Jukebox, it means the same small circle of people, with the same tastes, are calling in each and every week, and some just keep on time after time re-hashing the previous weeks argument for the same song again and again. Truly tedious, and should not be permitted by anyone with common sense, when there are literally tens of thousands of pieces of music to discuss.
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Old 27-06-2012, 02:05
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I do think the Virtual Jukebox has long since passed its sell by date. I'm not really a fan of music being played during the night and much prefer speech based radio but there was a time when this part of Up All Night was a decent listen. But it no longer is.
I agree, it is coming to something when people like you and me are being bored stiff by a subject we love, being totally mis-handled on the radio with a lazy attitude and no thought, with the same tired old voices and the same tired old opinions on music week after week after week.
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Old 27-06-2012, 12:00
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You would hope or expect that a producer would put tighter reigns on something like this. Everyone involved seems to be stuck in a lazy rut.
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Old 27-06-2012, 14:14
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You would hope or expect that a producer would put tighter reigns on something like this. Everyone involved seems to be stuck in a lazy rut.
Thankyou for agreeing with me. All those involved need to sharpen up their act, stop being so personally self indulgent as if they were having a private conversation between themselves.
Plus I have serious reservations about the tracks that they determine to be the winners at the end of each jukebox. Just how many votes are they receiving?
Increasingly it is just a discussion to suit the agenda of the music tracks that Dotun Adebayo in particular likes, and to give him opportunities to tell his own anecdotes about all the musicians he has interviewed and met, so he says. The last weekend when he said he was a personal friend of Stevie Wonder was another case of name dropping without adding anything to the story. I turned off before hearing the last twenty minutes in exasperation, and that knowing that it was of no consequence what the winning track is anymore.

Regarding the producer of this part of the show, I agree that he does not seem to be doing his job, and should start to get hold of this section and give it more focus and direction.

Ultimately I think it is clearly a symptom of BBC cutbacks that this Virtual Jukebox now takes up a full 2 hours each weekend and has been on for approximately 80 weeks, which would never have been happening in a BBC with more money to spend.
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Old 28-06-2012, 19:57
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Thankyou for agreeing with me. All those involved need to sharpen up their act, stop being so personally self indulgent as if they were having a private conversation between themselves.
Plus I have serious reservations about the tracks that they determine to be the winners at the end of each jukebox. Just how many votes are they receiving?
Increasingly it is just a discussion to suit the agenda of the music tracks that Dotun Adebayo in particular likes, and to give him opportunities to tell his own anecdotes about all the musicians he has interviewed and met, so he says.
This could be a decent listen if somebody knowledgeable about music and musicians with less bias were presenting. Addebayo and his useless sidekick Mark Webster, just seem frequently to display crass ignorance or deal in misinformation. Last weekend someone phoned in for Phil Collins 'If Leaving Me Is Easy' one of Collins' great soul ballads. So-called 'musical expert', Mr Webster went into some spiel about how unpopular Collins became as an artist, and that the track was on one of Collins' later albums after the public had become disaffected with him - none of which had any foundation in fact or relevance to the track being played other than expose that 'expert's' obvious agenda. Furthermore it was a track from Collins' debut album. Not good!
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Old 29-06-2012, 02:13
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This could be a decent listen if somebody knowledgeable about music and musicians with less bias were presenting. Addebayo and his useless sidekick Mark Webster, just seem frequently to display crass ignorance or deal in misinformation. Last weekend someone phoned in for Phil Collins 'If Leaving Me Is Easy' one of Collins' great soul ballads. So-called 'musical expert', Mr Webster went into some spiel about how unpopular Collins became as an artist, and that the track was on one of Collins' later albums after the public had become disaffected with him - none of which had any foundation in fact or relevance to the track being played other than expose that 'expert's' obvious agenda. Furthermore it was a track from Collins' debut album. Not good!
Good point well made if I may say. I get sick of musical snobbery and this Virtual Jukebox reeks of it. Actually, like him or not, Phil Collins must still be reasonably popular, having had a No1 album as recently as late 2010. He was also massively successful in the US throughout the 80's in a way that few UK artists now could dream of.
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Old 30-06-2012, 22:43
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The Virtual Jukebox should be on Radio 5 LIve at 2.30am tonight (Sunday 0230hrs) for anyone interested in giving it a listen, and maybe some fresh input to shake it up a bit.
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Old 30-06-2012, 23:11
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This must be the show Moyles was talking about a week or so back. He played 'Carly Rae Jenson'[sic] and then spelt it out, still wrongly! It's JEPSON, ffs!
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Old 01-07-2012, 15:44
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Thanks to Dotun for responding to part of my opening post on last nights virtual jukebox on 5 live. It seems that as few as just 2 (two) votes can be enough to get a song voted the winner and added to the list. Some weeks it may be more clear cut with a vote of 30 or 40 for a track also. There are about 400 to 500 texts, and e-mails that come in apparently.
I admire the honesty of saying that as few as 2 has been enough, and don't imagine a lot of presenters would have been keen to admit this.
As well as the texts and e-mails, maybe as an addition throughout the week in between the shows, in order to get some extra input, anyone who is interested could name their track for the virtual jukebox, and who knows, it may be picked up on and discussed.

The first track I ever put on an iPod and bought, was The Passions, I'm In Love With A German Film Star, a minor UK hit in early 1981. I'd like it considered I think, along with another track from the same era, The Mobiles, Drowning In Berlin, a top ten from early 1982. Both these groups had only one notable hit. This type of music from this era has so far been under represented and is worth having a good talk about.
Just last night, again, the guest with Dotun, castigated the sound of certain 80's music for it's production, singling out a track by The Christians. Tinny was a word used. I agree it is a word I would use for a lot of late 80's tracks, but not the early 80's. I think the decade has two very distinct halves.
So, anyone interested in naming ONE, or maybe two songs in particular for the virtual jukebox could start by posting it here, as an addition to texting and e-mailing.
I'm therefore going to nominate these two in preferential order;

1) The Passions, I'm In Love With A German Film Star.
2) The Mobiles, Drowning In Berlin.

The production values are dreamy and artistic sounding. Purely a coincidence that both have a Germanic connection in the title. I'm not sure what genre they sit in easiest, but electronic/new wave is the best I can think of.
I'd be happy for them to be evaluated, knowing that they are unlikely to gain enough to add to the ongoing list.

Anybody else who wants to add a song here, in the knowledge that the page is being viewed, can do so if interested. It would help to give a short account of your reason for choosing it.

On the subject of "Dotunisms" last night was a good one worth mentioning, when they were discussing Tracy Chapman, he thought she appeared and made her name at Live Aid in July 1985, and not the Mandela 70th birthday concert from 1988. He took some convincing from his guest that it was infact the latter that made her name. Very surprising that "senior moment".

Thanks for reading, and the on air answers to the page. I may add a chosen track each week for consideration myself, in addition to the two above that I have mentioned this time.

Richard, Newport Pagnell.

(it may help if you do decide to leave a track, to also just leave a first name, rather than leave it at your DS name, if your DS name is a bit weird sounding)
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Old 01-07-2012, 19:55
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Where to start? There's a million songs I'd like to see mentioned or make it on to the Virtual Jukebox. The trouble is if the artist is relatively unknown or not familiar chart material, the chances are it will not get voted for, so why bother trying to participate in getting votes for more obscure, quality artists? Last night someone phoned in for the late John Martyn's most famous song, May You Never, an artist I know well, but I'm probably in a minority of 2 listening to VJ who's heard of him.

The other major problem is that Dotun often just plays a few seconds of a recommended artist he's unfamiliar with or doesn't care for, which immediately puts that song at a disadvantage compared to someone he obviously likes such as the rather bland 1970s Detroit band Chairman Of The Board which got about 2 minutes play. At least he should give every track equal airing, preferably say the first 3 minutes of a song should it exceed that time. Let's have more songs and less irrelevant, long-winded and often biased banter, where he clearly tries to promote certain songs or vice versa.

I remember the Passions well as I was acquainted with their guitarist Clive Timperley who was at my school many moons ago in the 60s.I recognised him on TOTP, not realising previously he was a member of that band.

I'd suggest 2 very different choices, one of which is never likely to make it on to the VJ, although one artist is much more famous than the other. The less famous one recently won the Album Of The Year at the Ivor Novello Awards Both are serious class acts IMHO.

1) Roxy Music - Avalon
2) PJ Harvey - A Place Called Home
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Old 02-07-2012, 01:47
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Where to start? There's a million songs I'd like to see mentioned or make it on to the Virtual Jukebox. The trouble is if the artist is relatively unknown or not familiar chart material, the chances are it will not get voted for, so why bother trying to participate in getting votes for more obscure, quality artists? Last night someone phoned in for the late John Martyn's most famous song, May You Never, an artist I know well, but I'm probably in a minority of 2 listening to VJ who's heard of him.

The other major problem is that Dotun often just plays a few seconds of a recommended artist he's unfamiliar with or doesn't care for, which immediately puts that song at a disadvantage compared to someone he obviously likes such as the rather bland 1970s Detroit band Chairman Of The Board which got about 2 minutes play. At least he should give every track equal airing, preferably say the first 3 minutes of a song should it exceed that time. Let's have more songs and less irrelevant, long-winded and often biased banter, where he clearly tries to promote certain songs or vice versa.

I remember the Passions well as I was acquainted with their guitarist Clive Timperley who was at my school many moons ago in the 60s.I recognised him on TOTP, not realising previously he was a member of that band.

I'd suggest 2 very different choices, one of which is never likely to make it on to the VJ, although one artist is much more famous than the other. The less famous one recently won the Album Of The Year at the Ivor Novello Awards Both are serious class acts IMHO.

1) Roxy Music - Avalon
2) PJ Harvey - A Place Called Home
What a great post! Having listened like me, you now know that Dotun is checking out this thread here, even though he did not name drop DS itself for obvious BBC reasons. I do hope he picks up on a couple of these tracks, and any further ones that may get nominated here, and brings them into his conversation next weekend.

Avalon is on my iPod, and another two tracks from the same titled album, More Than This & Take A Chance With Me. Only in the past couple of weeks have I added a solo track by Bryan Ferry to my iPod after hearing it on the BBC4 TOTP broadcasts of 1977 that are airing weekly. That track was Tokyo Joe, which I'd not heard before.

I know nothing about PJ Harvey whatsoever, although have heard of her.

Your anecdote about The Passions is great. Small world and all that!
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Old 03-07-2012, 13:22
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Would anybody like to add any music to the Virtual Jukebox?
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Old 06-07-2012, 14:39
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I'll consider putting a twin post on the music forum to help draw people across to this Virtual Jukebox if there remains little feedback from a purely radio point of view.
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Old 08-07-2012, 01:48
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Virtual Jukebox on Radio 5 LIve tonight between 2.30am and 4.30am (Sunday).

A good consideration - Ian Dury & The Blockheads, Hit Me With Your Rhythm Stick.

Let's have some more suggestions, and give this feature on 5 Live some fresh impetus from it's recent samish self indulgence from the same regular people.
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Old 08-07-2012, 03:19
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Retract the Ian Dury track, as it is already on the Virtual Jukebox!

Repeat my initial tune, The Passions, I'm In Love With A German Filmstar.

And, The Mobiles - Drowning In Berlin.

Both examples of great early 80's electric pop.
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