I'm wondering if

That is quite possible. The spoiler could be misleading by mentioning Yvonne so we assume they are connected to the rest of the things, when it's to do with the other thing.

That tape is still out there there was the scene Monday and like I said there is Scott's scene with Sion from last well. Neither of those things were necessary if they just planned to drop it. Flipping things on their head completely from Monday- that's only 3 days. I can't see that they would get new writers so quickly.

I bet this is on some kind of long burn like the alcholism story. Here is why Sion. I mean when Iolo had his affair with Sion's married boss Sion fliped out and punched him. He never forgave him and that had none of these nonconsentuial overtones either. What do you think Sion is going to do when he finds out about Gaynor sleeping with his son the rape victim? He should go crazy.

They intend to let Macs off so I don't see Scott ever facing legal justice either. Which isn't a good message to send to victims of sexual assaults.

I know you and I disagree, but I think that there are some very real differences. What Macs did was mentioned every day last week, they didn't drop it, they didn't give it the ending you wanted.

When Izzy was on screen what you were always aware of what happened between her and Macs. It was always part of her character. Its been 4 years she never got over it.

Its a fair point that rape victims don't go to the police. I don't need Scott in prison. What I don't like is things magically disappearing not from a mental health stand point. That actually bothers me more. What Macs did to Izzy would not make him less traumatised than her. Young hetrosexual men don't get the treatment they need for their problems. Its the biggest problem in the mental health system. I think we do a good, job with every one else. Just because he is male and sometimes unsympathetic doesn't mean he can't have problems and need help.

Ok having watched the episode, actually I like that they have given Garry some more human qualities. He has had them in the past. The all abuse all the time was annoying. Not that I think he is a good person just not a cartoon villain. Since people don't actually walk around like cartoon villains thats ok.

Macs and Gaynor wasn't all that bad. I think Macs attraction to her is her misery so that kind of makes sense.

I do disagree on the tape not coming back. After tonight I completely think it is. What was that scene with Macs and Moc about, when Gaynor asked if Macs was friends with the bank manager? You didn't need it for the story, and Monday putting the tape in the bank with Moc didn't need to be there either. Macs keeps saying he is afraid that Scott is coming back, that keeps coming up again. One throw away scene OK but there have been too many.

There are not big differences. The level of the crime is the only difference. Both were still sex offences that are custodial sentence offences. Macs didn't face criminal punishment for what he did and neither did Scott. Both messages were irresponsible on the shows behalf. And both were because they show had the characters be too ashamed to go to the police. Macs is no more special than Izzy, both crimes should have resulted in criminal charges and custodial sentences. It's irrelevant that one would have been longer than the other, they both would have gone to prison. Fact. And IMO that would have been the correct outcome.

Soaps encouraging viewers not to go to the police and showing that ultimately the sex offenders get away with their crimes is irresponsible. It will effect how some viewers preceive their chances of getting justice in the future.

I am sorry Macs was raped but it doesn't mean his own character shouldn't have actually been in prison at the time it happened. And they didn't spend the time exploring how it all effected Izzy a year and more down the line. Or even really how it was still effecting her when she came back. So they dropped the ball on the emotional fallout for both characters as well as they did on the irresponsible messages they sent out about sex offenders.

It was how they had Gary and Dani suddenly be friendly. It wasn't believable. They'd bond over a plague when Dani didn't even want Gary at the bench ceremony or funeral, I don't think so. It would take more than that and him warning some guys off. I thought their friendly attitudes during that episode seemed off to past events.

And to me the Macs/Gaynor scene was badly written. I know it was because of shared misery but it wasn't executed well. It wasn't believable they'd have sex after one conversation that didn't even get that emotional.

As for the tape it could come up but I wouldn't be certain of it. Soaps drop storylines all the time. The Moc thing wasn't important IMO.

The woman who played Izzy was on maternity leave and had personal reasons for not coming back. I actually thought they did a good job with Izzy, because they had only 2 weeks.

You and I are going to completely disagree on this. I hate forced courtroom scenes on television where people get closure and bad guys always go to jail. I find that very false to what actually happens in court.

Even with Macs I think yes I would like Scott to be in jail. But that doesn't necessarily mean I think it would have been good for him to go to court. I have been to court with people who where counting on winning a case for their pyschological health. Sometimes those people don't win or they do win and they don't get the sentence they wanted or the remorse they wanted, and they feel worse.

You never see that on television, when court makes things worse for people. It happens all the time. I find that people are actually very unprepared for that. Their exspectations are set by what happens on TV. When you've got a weak legal case what happens is you usually lose. It doesn't matter how right you might be or how much you need personal justice. I don't like when tv gives the impression you can win everything.

It is still something PYC should have done instead of letting two sex offenders off with no real punishment for their crimes. I will never agree with sex offenders walking free in Cwmderi.

what mac and gaynor together or am i reading mixed things

Macs and Gaynor !!!! What a mistake, terrible story, terrible acting.... there's just no chemistry, its just a bit dirty and horrible. If only they could ACT.OMG monumental disaster

OMG wasn't the word when I was macs and gaynor me screaming at tv didn't help either NOOOOO
whoever said about Lee being the one talking to courtny online I can see this to by getting his way into the house good storyline I think
did anyone else cring with Sheryl and Moc in bed

Moc and Sheryl make my skin crawl. They make each other seem even more unlikable that they would be solo.

Moc and Gaynor hopefully goes no furthur. It's all very creepy to me.

Oww dramatic tonight. Gwyneth took an overdose near the end and Yvonne is panicking. I guess the love does overcome the hate still with her reaction, and the fact she couldn't post the last letter.

Macs is acting a bit creepy and clingy around Gaynor. She obviously wants nothing to do with him and by the look on Hywel's face at the end when she told him tomorrow is going to be a big argument. Though in fairness he recently cheated with Ffion so while he has a right to be upset and angry, he can't take the moral highground. I do hope he tells Gaynor how insane the whole thing is.

What are the writers up to with Gary and Dani? I seriously hope they aren't heading towards a romance between them because I just don't find their sudden buddy-buddy scenes believable. I agreed with Sheryl for once, Dani doesn't need anymore hurt off him. The writers seem to be forcing a few storylines at the moment and it's not sitting well with the history of the show.

I wonder if that woman will appear again. Before Colin overreacted it seemed like there was an attraction going on there.

Macs has had his hair cut!!!

The whole thing with Macs/Gaynor is obviously a cry for help from Macs part. He doesn't know what he's doing and after Sioned saying the line of 'if you were a real man', he's lashing out in a different way.

An Eifion/Gaynor scene

I think that is the first Eifion/Gaynor scene I have seen since I started watching last October.

im going to giggle when eifion and gaynor does their scene
wonder what sioned do when she finds out

Yeh same. It's weird after knowing that they are a couple in real life.

It's werid to think it... is the one play gaynor older than him ?

I would think so. Although he sometimes looks young and then can look a lot older at other times...

Going by twitter, I think Rhys and Emily (Macs and Sioned) are a couple

They have been for a long while. She spilled the beans in a radio interview.

Oh right, I'm behind the times!

Im way behind with the times they look good couple