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Old 27-06-2012, 09:34
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I think this is a much improved story compared to the previous one. It has the TARDIS console in it for a start(if only for a short while) and it also for one episode at least gets away from Earth, albeit just a few miles above it in space on Mars Probe 7.

However, once again the length of the story really does it no favours. Whereas The Silurians padded the story out with overlong snorefest scenes, this one does it by endless repetition and UNIT Battles here there and everywhere. Liz has another strong story here but ends up a prisoner for 4 whole episodes which must be a record of sorts. There is repetitive attempts from her and Doctor Lennox to escape and then there is the tiresome attempts by Reegan to kill The Doctor nearly every episode. Then there was the fact nearly every guest character was on the baddies side. Add in the fact UNIT was being blocked at every turn every episode and by Episode 7 the whole story had just become boring for me. Even the resolution was low key and over and done with relatively quickly, which goes hand in hand with the slow pace of the story at times. Finally there was the mystery of Dr Taltalian's varying French accent and where it was when he recaptured Liz!

It isn't all bad, though. I did enjoy the Helicopter battle in Part 3 and even more so, the 3rd Doctor's rare foray into the humour department when he used Bessie's anti-theft device to capture the men who had stolen the Probe. I thought the alien ambassadors themselves were well realised and suitably creepy. And the little TARDIS console scene at the beginning was a much needed reminder that it still existed somewhere.

Shame about the fact it exists in varying forms of colour and black and white. I'm not sure if there is going to an attempt to colourise the whole story, maybe somebody else knows about that???

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Old 27-06-2012, 11:41
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I have only seen this one once when it was showed on UK GOLD some years ago. Can't say I found it that engaging, but then it was on at about 6am and I couldn't record it, so watched it straight through.
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Old 27-06-2012, 11:45
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I think this is a much improved story compared to the previous one. It has the TARDIS console in it for a start(if only for a short while) and it also for one episode at least gets away from Earth, albeit just a few miles above it in space on Mars Probe 7.

However, once again the length of the story really does it no favours. Whereas The Silurians padded the story out with overlong snorefest scenes, this one does it by endless repetition and UNIT Battles here there and everywhere. Liz has another strong story here but ends up a prisoner for 4 whole episodes which must be a record of sorts. There is repetitive attempts from her and Doctor Lennox to escape and then there is the tiresome attempts by Reegan to kill The Doctor nearly every episode. Then there was the fact nearly every guest character was on the baddies side. Add in the fact UNIT was being blocked at every turn every episode and by Episode 7 the whole story had just become boring for me. Even the resolution was low key and over and done with relatively quickly, which goes hand in hand with the slow pace of the story at times. Finally there was the mystery of Dr Taltalian's varying French accent and where it was when he recaptured Liz!

It isn't all bad, though. I did enjoy the Helicopter battle in Part 3 and even more so, the 3rd Doctor's rare foray into the humour department when he used Bessie's anti-theft device to capture the men who had stolen the Probe. I thought the alien ambassadors themselves were well realised and suitably creepy. And the little TARDIS console scene at the beginning was a much needed reminder that it still existed somewhere.

Shame about the fact it exists in varying forms of colour and black and white. I'm not sure if there is going to an attempt to colourise the whole story, maybe somebody else knows about that???

I couldn't disagree more. Season 7 is, for me, easily the best ever season of Doctor Who - and by a long chalk. And while Ambassadors Of Death is no Inferno, it more than holds its own in the season.
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Old 27-06-2012, 12:11
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I couldn't disagree more. Season 7 is, for me, easily the best ever season of Doctor Who - and by a long chalk. And while Ambassadors Of Death is no Inferno, it more than holds its own in the season.
You're entitled to your opinion off course but I don't think the Pertwee Era really as a whole is that brilliant and it never really got started until Season 8. For me, this Season is one of my least favourite of all time.

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Old 27-06-2012, 12:53
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You're entitled to your opinion off course but I don't think the Pertwee Era really as a whole is that brilliant and it never really got started until Season 8. For me, this Season is one of my least favourite of all time.

Be gone you evil beast! I love the Pertwee era. Some of the stories are a little too long, but I'm just a huge fan of the Letts/Dicks pairing.
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Old 27-06-2012, 12:56
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Be gone you evil beast! I love the Pertwee era. Some of the stories are a little too long, but I'm just a huge fan of the Letts/Dicks pairing.
*Twirls moustache*



Look, I don't hate every single story of the Pertwee Era, there are some good stories to come yet, just not in this Season. However, all the Earthbound stories just make it an era I don't prefer. Liked it much more when Tom Baker took over and the show returned to it's original type of stories on a regular basis.
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Old 27-06-2012, 13:04
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The Restoration Team are supposed to be working on an all-colour release for DVD.
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Old 27-06-2012, 13:15
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The Restoration Team are supposed to be working on an all-colour release for DVD.
I think they've completed it. Rumours are it should be out sometime in September/Octoberish.

Back on topic though, I love this story. My favourite story from my favourite season in my favourite era.
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Old 27-06-2012, 13:37
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My least favourite story of season. Didn't mind the padding of The Silurians but repetition gets to me here. It's got a great premise so would probably have made a good 4 parter but in a season that is top and tailed by 2 of Pertwee's finest easily forgotten.

Liz is great again but spends too much time as s prisoner. She seems to have a different hair style for each story!
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Old 27-06-2012, 15:12
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probably my least favorite of season 7 .
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Old 27-06-2012, 15:55
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Aaaagh! I watched all of ep.1 .....and by halfway through Episode two I called it a day! (something better must have been on ITV!). Didn't see any of the rest - so can't comment. No go!
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Old 27-06-2012, 16:08
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I think season 7 is overall very strong and intriguing, however if there is a weak link then it's certainly this story.
On paper I think it's good but I don't find the actually viewing of it that pleasurable to be honest.
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Old 27-06-2012, 16:14
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You're entitled to your opinion off course but I don't think the Pertwee Era really as a whole is that brilliant and it never really got started until Season 8. For me, this Season is one of my least favourite of all time.

I understand why you might not like this season (though personally I love the U.N.I.T. stories but I dont think you can really call it one of Dr Who's worst. There've been far worse.
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Old 27-06-2012, 16:42
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I understand why you might not like this season (though personally I love the U.N.I.T. stories but I dont think you can really call it one of Dr Who's worst. There've been far worse.
It is just my personal opinion, I never said it as fact that it was one of the worst. As I've said previously, Season 24 is far worse than this and maybe a few other Seasons as well but Season 7 isn't far off.

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Old 27-06-2012, 19:49
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I love to see all this bickering about season 7 being the WORST! In my eyes - it is certainly not one of the best! I hated it 'cos it was all earth-based....and very boring. For kids it must have been MORE boring (including me in that year!). To me - this story was like a cheap 'Adult Story' in a childeren's slot! BORING!! (-1/10)
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Old 27-06-2012, 21:06
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I love to see all this bickering about season 7 being the WORST! In my eyes - it is certainly not one of the best! I hated it 'cos it was all earth-based....and very boring. For kids it must have been MORE boring (including me in that year!). To me - this story was like a cheap 'Adult Story' in a childeren's slot! BORING!! (-1/10)
Decided to comment after all then.
Bit unfair -1/10 when you only watched 1 part and a half and that was 42 years ago.

Saying that I do kinda agree with you on this one. Rest of the season was great though.
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Old 02-09-2013, 09:06
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Just finished watching this, I thought it was very good - definitely one of my favourites from an era I don't know too well. I thought Liz was used well, and there was plenty for the Brig to get his teeth into. The seven episodes fairly flew by, but if anything, the ultimate explanation with the General and the alien ambassadors felt a little rushed, that could've been explored for an entire episode on its own.
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Old 02-09-2013, 09:32
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Series 7 is, I think, one of the best series. It seems to be much "grittier" than most Who series, however whilst a better-than-average story, this is nowhere near as good as the other three in my humble opinion.
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Old 02-09-2013, 21:47
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The one scene I really don't like in Ambassadors is when The Doctor makes the tape 'vanish' in his hand. I'm like 'Whoah, where did that come from!?' It seems out-of-step with the character. The Doctor is supposed to have lots of knowledge and many skills, but he isn't supposed to be able to do anything patently impossible! I can't think of any other instance where they let him get away with something like that.
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Old 02-09-2013, 23:56
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Its one that with age I have enjoyed more. Found it boring in the 1990's - now its one of my top10 Pertwee stories.
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Old 05-09-2013, 14:47
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Its a favourite of mine and certainly I think it is an era of the programme that stands up better than some of the others. Ambassadors really is infused with that early seventies neuroticism and the obsession with the dangers and possibilities of space travel. The production and direction (but probably not the acting) do match quite closely some of the conspiracy thrillers that were being made at the time.

Admittedly it does sag in the middle. But when the dreadful McCoy era is getting a bit of whitewash on the other thread, Ambassadors definitely deserves some love as an example of classic Who at its best, despite the usual issues over pacing.
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Old 16-09-2013, 00:40
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I've just finished watching this too. I think it's a strong story in finish considering the nightmare they had rewriting it apparently as it was originally to include Jamie and Zoe so had to go through a vigorous change (I read after I'd watched it).

I liked the change to the opening sequence in the sense that it is the first to introduce a pre-credits sequence - albeit a repeat of the last episode's cliffhanger (except the first) - and what I think is great timing with where the episodes end and the credits roll. The story itself isn't too outlandish, astronauts come back but no-one sees their faces, so basically walking spacesuits, and the reveal isn't until ep 6 or something. In my eyes a faceless Doctor Who enemy is scarier, and maybe it could've been handled like the Midnight episode, with a bit more ambiguity like we didn't see their faces at all, and it remained a mystery.

Just on the first episode of Inferno now, and I don't get what the hate is with about Series 7, I at first was apprehensive with Earth-bound stories, but I think the pacing has been good and has allowed for some smart and plausible stories; meteor showers, deep-ground excavation, and stray spacemen. I don't know what Inferno and how much longer the Doctor is exiled on Earth, but I like these UNIT stories, and they work well with the threats that they're faced with. Ok they're maybe not the best or most secure security taskforce in the world, but at least they're there which is a good and different dynamic to previous companions.

Pace is something a lot of middle-length episode numbers are hit and miss with (5-8), and I find these need to have more of a change of location, mini missions to help with it, so having most of these stories being 7 episodes lead them to be watched more in one go (which is what I try to do), and then the pacing doesn't really affect it - more like watching a movie. I couldn't imagine waiting a week for some of the serials, but this one, the Ambassadors of Death I thought was good, quite even, but like some of these length serials, maybe could've been shorter (5 eps).
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Old 16-09-2013, 01:40
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I like season 7, what Barry Letts was doing with the intelligent stories and the action sequences. Also the fellow-scientists relationship of Three and Liz, a lot like what I imagine might have developed between Five and Nyssa had they travelled more without other companions.
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Old 16-09-2013, 01:52
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I like season 7, what Barry Letts was doing with the intelligent stories and the action sequences. Also the fellow-scientists relationship of Three and Liz, a lot like what I imagine might have developed between Five and Nyssa had they travelled more without other companions.
I think Derrick Sherwin deserves a little credit.
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Old 16-09-2013, 02:04
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I think Derrick Sherwin deserves a little credit.
Thanks, I drew a blank there.
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